Surely The Timings Are Incorrect?

[Caroline]

It's clear that the personal vendetta isn't you Vs Jeremy but Jackie vs you/Susan. This is something she is well known for against people who don't believe Bamber is innocent.

If you're led by the evidence rather than anything else I don't see how it can be personal against Bamber. If she wishes to ignore evidence because she wants to and because she likes Bamber than that is her choice but it's not right or fair to accuse others who genuinely know the evidence,can see it right in front of them, have debated it, have shown a clear and comprehensive understanding of the case and still come to the conclusion that Bamber is guilty.

Thanks Mat, once you sweep away the BS, the mists begin to clear!!

[Caroline]

If you check, I think you'll find that those reasons no longer apply. However, I agree that the errors were minor and the time of 3:36 was the same in all versions. The differences served only to suggest that Pc West used a multipart pad.

Thank you for considering the possibility again. In doing so, you cannot assume that Nevill called Jeremy at 3:10am. That time was Jeremy's estimate, but we don't know what it was based on and it is uncorroborated. We know that some of Julie's flatmates said they didn't look at any clock when they were woken by Jeremy's call, so we can't assume that Jeremy noted the time straight away, especially as he has never said he did.
Presumably what was initially written in the logs was kept short to save time. For example, Pc West later revealed some details that he hadn't logged. It's not surprising that Nevill said much the same thing to the police as to Jeremy.
The telephone handset was off-hook according to the operator, and so all attempts to dial the WHF number would have resulted in an engaged tone until such time as the handset was replaced. From Jeremy's description, Nevill cut the call off, but didn't leave the handset on-hook. That could have been because Nevill tried to make another call, but we don't know for certain.
We don't know that it was kept secret initially. All we know is that Jeremy wasn't told about it. The police don't necessarily give out information freely when a possible crime report has occurred. One could equally ask why EP required a court order to release other logging by Malcolm Bonnett that they had previously denied the existence of. Even in what they eventually released, there was a mysterious absence of certain things that we know must have occurred.

If you prefer the view that just one call to the police was made, and that was by Jeremy, how do you explain that both Pc West and Malcolm Bonnett claim they contacted Witham so that a car could be sent?

Sorry Reader, I'm not ignoring your post and I will answer it later. I have a monkey on my back at the moment and I need to shake it off! 

[Jane]

It's probably for the best that most of us wouldn't know each other  from.......................... if we passed in the street so I fail to see how it becomes possible to make claims about people having vendettas.

IMO, it's no easy thing to find one's mind changing. It flies in the face of belief systems which have been held close and the ground on which one has been standing no longer feels quite as firm. It's probably much more comfortable to admit than to go on denying. I could give numerous reasons for doing this but the ultimate responsibility for it is my own. I can't lay the blame for it at others' feet. What starts with tiny, niggling doubts expands to the point where one's reasons for hanging onto the old belief are no more than futile excuses. Caroline and Susan should be commended for having the courage to talk about it.

[guest154]

What starts with tiny, niggling doubts expands to the point where one's reasons for hanging onto the old belief are no more than futile excuses.

April, I actually agree with this whole-heartedly. When I first changed my mind on the case it was because I had realised I had believed him innocent for so long that I was now just making excuses for the evidence and behaviour - as the end excuses and bullshit was all that I was left with.

[Jane]

April, I actually agree with this whole-heartedly. When I first changed my mind on the case it was because I had realised I had believed him innocent for so long that I was now just making excuses for the evidence and behaviour - as the end excuses and bullshit was all that I was left with.

Thanks for that, Matt, but please believe that I feel no sense of triumph over it. I do, however feel enormous relief.

[guest154]

Thanks for that, Matt, but please believe that I feel no sense of triumph over it. I do, however feel enormous relief.

My names Mat. Keep calling me Matt and I shall call you "May.".  :D

[JackiePreece]

Not sure where you learned maths from but he can't be any less than 100% innocent, to be innocent. Why are you obsessed about him writing to me? I asked him a few questions and gave him a few ideas - we didn't discuss marriage  . Although we can clear one thing up - if you don't believe that my name is really Caroline - perhaps you'll believe Jeremy?

I don't think I have ever disputed you call yourself Caroline

[Jane]

My names Mat. Keep calling me Matt and I shall call you "May.".  :D

MAT, I am SOOOOOOO sorry. You can call me anything you want as long as it isn't late for dinner :D :D

[susan]

Ha Ha Caroline so funny I did not think you would discuss marriage 

[Caroline]

I don't think I have ever disputed you call yourself Caroline

I do, it's on my birth certificate too and my passport and my bank details etc. So you still think I'm some old woman who used to spar with you on here back in the day? Where am I supposed to live Jackie? Because with a letter, there is also an envelope - would you like me to prove that I live in the North east? Would Jeremy's word suffice on that? Or will you just deny it and make more excuses because you don't have the bollocks to admit you're wrong?

[susan]

Caroline if JP still thinks you are Keira she is the only one on Blue and Red wonder what her problem is?

[Alias]

Jackie, Caroline is not Keira! Not in a million years, don´t know where you got that one from?

[guest7363]

It's probably for the best that most of us wouldn't know each other  from.......................... if we passed in the street so I fail to see how it becomes possible to make claims about people having vendettas.

IMO, it's no easy thing to find one's mind changing. It flies in the face of belief systems which have been held close and the ground on which one has been standing no longer feels quite as firm. It's probably much more comfortable to admit than to go on denying. I could give numerous reasons for doing this but the ultimate responsibility for it is my own. I can't lay the blame for it at others' feet. What starts with tiny, niggling doubts expands to the point where one's reasons for hanging onto the old belief are no more than futile excuses. Caroline and Susan should be commended for having the courage to talk about it.

April you have so much respect on this forum

[No-Bits]

April you have so much respect on this forum

I prefer May, it's usually warmer and dryer. 

[guest7363]

Not sure where you learned maths from but he can't be any less than 100% innocent, to be innocent. Why are you obsessed about him writing to me? I asked him a few questions and gave him a few ideas - we didn't discuss marriage  . Although we can clear one thing up - if you don't believe that my name is really Caroline - perhaps you'll believe Jeremy?

Total respect Caroline for not showing the rest of that very personal letter with you and Jeremy.