No financial motive for shootings...

[nugnug]

i think the simple answer is he never said it.

[Jane]

i think the simple answer is he never said it.

Nug, as we only have HIS word for it that it happened, I'm inclined to agree with you.

[nugnug]

as lugg pointed out why would anybody say such a thing in front of there uncle.

simple answer is they wouldent.

[maggie]

Nug, as we only have HIS word for it that it happened, I'm inclined to agree with you.

Yes april, think this needs to go in the same bin as all the silencer stuff. 

[lookout]

Everyone had their reasons/motives to make sure that Jeremy was out of the way.
The rellies for obvious reasons,,,and JM to make sure that nobody else would have Jeremy if she couldn't,,,and didn't she do a fine job of it.? The pillow over the face wouldn't have worked as she would have lost her liberty,,so the next best thing was to lie convincingly through her teeth.

[Steve_uk]

Because we now know that Sheila was the last person to die inside WHF,,why didn't she summon help much sooner if she herself knew that she wasn't going to be mowed down imminently.? Sheila had ample time to ring up the services.. If Jeremy had committed the crime,,they'd have all been wiped out in one fell swoop together,,,exactly where they lay-------------in bed..
Not in this case where one person was still obviously wandering around.
Sheila at least could/should have thought about her children. There were plenty of hiding places within the farmhouse where she could have kept the children safe until help arrived.

I don't believe for one minute that the children didn't wake up. I've read that they were both on the landing at one point,,then were taken to bed,,probably told to close their eyes and that was it.
The dog yapping,Sheila screeching,the rifle going off,would have wakened the dead.
Anyone going into the farmhouse with the intention of murder would first have got rid of the dog,,I don't care what anyone says,,and anyone wakened at that hour with the dog barking,would have rang for help. You would yourself.

It had to look like Nevill had made a telephone call,which necessitated him being moved out of the bedroom. The bedroom telephone had been moved earlier in the week leaving Nevill and June without a lifeline to the outside world,and after the struggle in the kitchen the normal kitchen telephone was hidden under a pile of magazines,still in full working order. As for Sheila,she didn't engage in any struggle;she had had a bath and had gone up to bed,as June told Pamela that's what she was going to do.

[maggie]

It had to look like Nevill had made a telephone call,which necessitated him being moved out of the bedroom. The bedroom telephone had been moved earlier in the week leaving Nevill and June without a lifeline to the outside world,and after the struggle in the kitchen the normal kitchen telephone was hidden under a pile of magazines,still in full working order. As for Sheila,she didn't engage in any struggle;she had had a bath and had gone up to bed,as June told Pamela that's what she was going to do.

So why wazn't her bed slept i  Steve?

[susan]

Hello steve why was it necessary to move Ralph out of the bedroom secondly if Sheila was in bed and as stated by you earlier was sedated and would be in a deep sleep was she not shot whilst in her bed.  I was under the impression the office phone upstairs was working. Who had a struggle in the kitchen and with whom you have lost me steve please elaborate.

[Steve_uk]

So why wazn't her bed slept i  Steve?

It was a Summer night in Essex. She could have lain on top of her bed.

[susan]

Hi Mags yes you are right to me after studying the pictures of the two beds the one without all the stuff on top did not look like it had been slept in the covers were not pulled down.  Steve got it right about Sheila taking a bath I suspect a shower after the murders took place and changed into the nighdress hence the clothes soaking in the buckets which were blood stained but I suspect not menstrual blood.

[susan]

steve you are suggesting it was a warm night yet the Aga was lit remember you told me Jeremy burnt the marigold gloves in it.

[Steve_uk]

Hello steve why was it necessary to move Ralph out of the bedroom secondly if Sheila was in bed and as stated by you earlier was sedated and would be in a deep sleep was she not shot whilst in her bed.  I was under the impression the office phone upstairs was working. Who had a struggle in the kitchen and with whom you have lost me steve please elaborate.

Jeremy had removed Nevill and June's telephone from the master bedroom in case they called Police from the bedroom immediately they heard noises downstairs(June was a light sleeper and might have sent Nevill downstairs to investigate if she heard a noise). Jeremy couldn't risk there being a telephone in the master bedroom so he removed it,but he also had to explain in that case how Nevill made a call to him at Bourtree Cottage. So Nevill had to be made to leave the bedroom. It's not clear if Nevill had actually slept in the bed as on his side the sheets are unruffled,but the blood trail on the landing suggests Nevill fled downstairs in an attempt to reach the kitchen telephone,was shot in the hallway where there is bloodstained wallpaper and did reach as far as the blue and white chequered worktop,where he deposited his fingerprints,but I can't see how he could have used the telephone as the blood trail stood. Similarly with Sheila I don't see any bloodstained footprints of hers in the kitchen area. Of course Jeremy had to move Sheila out of her bedroom on some pretext or other or forensics would have been able to prove she never left her bedroom that night.

[susan]

steve I am sat here in total confusion as to how Jeremy got Sheila out of her bed and into the kitchen do you mean she did not hear her children being shot and Ralph was a big strong looking man how did Jeremy get him out of the bedroom and downstairs.  Ralph made the phone calls from the kitchen before he was shot.

[lookout]

It had to look like Nevill had made a telephone call,which necessitated him being moved out of the bedroom. The bedroom telephone had been moved earlier in the week leaving Nevill and June without a lifeline to the outside world,and after the struggle in the kitchen the normal kitchen telephone was hidden under a pile of magazines,still in full working order. As for Sheila,she didn't engage in any struggle;she had had a bath and had gone up to bed,as June told Pamela that's what she was going to do.

Steve,,how would you feel if I said that there was another male already inside WHF who also wanted Jeremy out of the way too,,so as soon as Neville had phoned Jeremy at home,,Jeremys' normal reaction would have been to have gone pretty well straight away to assist his father with Sheila. At the mention of a gun,,which may well have been hurriedly said by Neville as his last words,,it was like a hint to beware and to proceed with caution.
Jeremy didn't do the killings,,someone else did,,and as I've said before,those who frame someone else,,also kill,,because whoever it was,wanted Jeremy there too.

[Jane]

Jeremy had removed Nevill and June's telephone from the master bedroom in case they called Police from the bedroom immediately they heard noises downstairs(June was a light sleeper and might have sent Nevill downstairs to investigate if she heard a noise). Jeremy couldn't risk there being a telephone in the master bedroom so he removed it,but he also had to explain in that case how Nevill made a call to him at Bourtree Cottage. So Nevill had to be made to leave the bedroom. It's not clear if Nevill had actually slept in the bed as on his side the sheets are unruffled,but the blood trail on the landing suggests Nevill fled downstairs in an attempt to reach the kitchen telephone,was shot in the hallway where there is bloodstained wallpaper and did reach as far as the blue and white chequered worktop,where he deposited his fingerprints,but I can't see how he could have used the telephone as the blood trail stood. Similarly with Sheila I don't see any bloodstained footprints of hers in the kitchen area. Of course Jeremy had to move Sheila out of her bedroom on some pretext or other or forensics would have been able to prove she never left her bedroom that night.

If Jeremy was the idiot you seem to think he was, how the hell did he manage to manipulate the situation. He would have had to pre empt the movements of all those people, something I don't believe would have been possible given the possibilty of Sheila's erratic behaviour, and make contingency plans in case something went wrong. Also you have Sheila following him like a lamb, when only days before she's been too scared to ask him to take her home.