Daniel and Nicholas Caffell: 22 June 1979-7 August 1985

[Jane]

Something had unhinged Jeremy Bamber’s brain from the time of this photograph in Summer 1977 to the mindset for murder in Autumn 1984. Possible causes are the disillusionment with two of the family members,his mother and sister and it is indicative that the only person Jeremy ever expressed any regrets killing was Nevill,about whom he uttered: “I do miss the old man occasionally”.

In my opinion there is still much to be discovered on the workings of the human brain:how for example the Commandant of Auschwitz concentration camp Rudolph Hoess could execute the inhumane duties asked of him by day,setting in train operations responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands,yet calmly return to the environment of the home of an evening and play with his son and daughter as if he had just spent another day at the office shovelling papers. It appears that some people are just programmed to be able to shut out the most heinous of actions however cruel or depraved they may be,whilst others flinch the merest thought of the simplest transgression. It is in this context that I place the slaying of Daniel and Nicholas Caffell in the early hours of 7 August 1985.

If you watched "The Brandenberg Trial" the other night, you will have seen one of the witnesses state that it was his job to exterminate, NOT to torture. The line between them is too fine for me to care to differentiate between them, but presumably he would have carried out whatever job he was paid to do and compartmentalize it. I believe this is something that males are good at.

[Jane]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment

God NaNu, dear Milgram. WHAT memories!!!!!

[killingeve]

God NaNu, dear Milgram. WHAT memories!!!!!

Yes amazing experiment! 

[Caroline R]

If you watched "The Brandenberg Trial" the other night, you will have seen one of the witnesses state that it was his job to exterminate, NOT to torture. The line between them is too fine for me to care to differentiate between them, but presumably he would have carried out whatever job he was paid to do and compartmentalize it. I believe this is something that males are good at.

Hi April, they chose only those individuals who could prove pure Aryan heritage for at least 150 years. The sense of belonging to a 'special group'  and the indoctrinated ideas that they were something special and the Jews less than human- gave them the excuse and legitimacy to carry out unspeakable acts on fellow human beings. I suspect it became easier with time, practice and the knowledge that 'like minded' people were doing the same.   

[Jane]

Hi April, they chose only those individuals who could prove pure Aryan heritage for at least 150 years. The sense of belonging to a 'special group'  and the indoctrinated ideas that they were something special and the Jews less than human- gave them the excuse and legitimacy to carry out unspeakable acts on fellow human beings. I suspect it became easier with time, practice and the knowledge that 'like minded' people were doing the same.

Caroline, with the belief that they were destroying something which had no right to existence would have made the job so much easier. They may even have felt priviliged to do it.

[maggie]

Hi April, they chose only those individuals who could prove pure Aryan heritage for at least 150 years. The sense of belonging to a 'special group'  and the indoctrinated ideas that they were something special and the Jews less than human- gave them the excuse and legitimacy to carry out unspeakable acts on fellow human beings. I suspect it became easier with time, practice and the knowledge that 'like minded' people were doing the same.

The rubbish always rises to the top in these situations.

[Jane]

Something had unhinged Jeremy Bamber’s brain from the time of this photograph in Summer 1977 to the mindset for murder in Autumn 1984. Possible causes are the disillusionment with two of the family members,his mother and sister and it is indicative that the only person Jeremy ever expressed any regrets killing was Nevill,about whom he uttered: “I do miss the old man occasionally”.

In my opinion there is still much to be discovered on the workings of the human brain:how for example the Commandant of Auschwitz concentration camp Rudolph Hoess could execute the inhumane duties asked of him by day,setting in train operations responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands,yet calmly return to the environment of the home of an evening and play with his son and daughter as if he had just spent another day at the office shovelling papers. It appears that some people are just programmed to be able to shut out the most heinous of actions however cruel or depraved they may be,whilst others flinch the merest thought of the simplest transgression. It is in this context that I place the slaying of Daniel and Nicholas Caffell in the early hours of 7 August 1985.

Dear Steve,

After due consideration I have concluded that IMO your literary skills far outweigh your skills in psychology.

April

[Alias]

But Jeremy was confident he would inherit. He had worked out all his life that he was due to inherit money,but on the photograph of 1977 it's clear to me from his body language that he knew and accepted that Sheila would be an equal beneficiary. Only after the illnesses of his mother and Sheila respectively did his attitude begin to change.

No it isn´t.

[Steve_uk]

No it isn´t.

After his sister's illness she was seen as unworthy as expressed by Jeremy's comments to Doris Foakes:"I'm not sharing any of my money with Sheila.."

[susan]

Morning april

After looking at the photo of Jeremy with his family he was 16 years old but looked so much younger and what a happy family they looked and Jeremy was not posing for the camera then.  He was deprived of his family and left alone as he had been rejected by his birth family shame on them.

[susan]

Morning steve

I was under the impression Jeremy was to inherit a large amount of money from Grannie Speakman who was very old surely he could have waited a wee while longer for money he was not exactly penniless. Although Julie would have been high maintenance but she had her own methods of obtaining cash.

[Jane]

Morning steve

I was under the impression Jeremy was to inherit a large amount of money from Grannie Speakman who was very old surely he could have waited a wee while longer for money he was not exactly penniless. Although Julie would have been high maintenance but she had her own methods of obtaining cash.

Susan HELLO   All you say is correct. Financially, Jeremy was assured. How ironic that while Steve insists on plugging Jeremy's greed, it was Sheila who was financially strapped, relying on food parcels from her parents, benefits cut, I imagine because her parents owned the property in which she lived, and having to take low paid work as a dinner lady or cleaner. Not quite what she was used to, I think.

It strikes me that if we were to write two columns under the headings of Sheila and Jeremy and list their need for money, Sheila's column would leave Jeremy's way behind. Add to that her very sad personal circumstances, her psychological fragility AND her unregulated mental illness and IMO we see a recipe for impending disaster.

[lookout]

Susan HELLO   All you say is correct. Financially, Jeremy was assured. How ironic that while Steve insists on plugging Jeremy's greed, it was Sheila who was financially strapped, relying on food parcels from her parents, benefits cut, I imagine because her parents owned the property in which she lived, and having to take low paid work as a dinner lady or cleaner. Not quite what she was used to, I think.

It strikes me that if we were to write two columns under the headings of Sheila and Jeremy and list their need for money, Sheila's column would leave Jeremy's way behind. Add to that her very sad personal circumstances, her psychological fragility AND her unregulated mental illness and IMO we see a recipe for impending disaster.

 Good morning April,,,you've mentioned something in your post that's very interesting,and I quote " Not quite what she was used to,I think ",unquote. Which I also think had a bearing on exacerbating the illness that she already had. Think about it.
Imagine having had everything done for you,,provisions made,etc etc,,then suddenly you're made to stand on your own two feet. What a shock to the system that must have been. Did Sheila expect wealth to land in her lap as it invariably did.? After all,she was still being subbed anyway,,but it was nowhere near enough to fund her habit of cannabis and cocaine ( both of which were an extortionate price back then ) Rather than it be Jeremy who always sought the odd loan from his parents,,,it was Sheila who must have felt as though she was missing out because Jeremys' life was planned as working on the farm for a living.Sheila was like a fish out of water,,and probably dwelled on the fact that her own future didn't look so rosy,,but nobody was to blame for this,,it was the sort of life that Sheila chose. I'm sure she could have altered if she'd wanted to. So with one thing and another,,it was quite clear that it was herself with the biggest grudge.

[killingeve]

 Good morning April,,,you've mentioned something in your post that's very interesting,and I quote " Not quite what she was used to,I think ",unquote. Which I also think had a bearing on exacerbating the illness that she already had. Think about it.
Imagine having had everything done for you,,provisions made,etc etc,,then suddenly you're made to stand on your own two feet. What a shock to the system that must have been. Did Sheila expect wealth to land in her lap as it invariably did.? After all,she was still being subbed anyway,,but it was nowhere near enough to fund her habit of cannabis and cocaine ( both of which were an extortionate price back then ) Rather than it be Jeremy who always sought the odd loan from his parents,,,it was Sheila who must have felt as though she was missing out because Jeremys' life was planned as working on the farm for a living.Sheila was like a fish out of water,,and probably dwelled on the fact that her own future didn't look so rosy,,but nobody was to blame for this,,it was the sort of life that Sheila chose. I'm sure she could have altered if she'd wanted to. So with one thing and another,,it was quite clear that it was herself with the biggest grudge.

Hi Lookout

Mrs Brencher's witness statement states "...,Sheila tried very hard to secure a permanent job but found it difficult." 

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=970.0;attach=4911

Even when her mental state was relatively 'normal' she appears to have suffered a dire lack of confidence as per wit stats and the books. 

Claire Powell's book states:

"Aware of her predicament, Sheila's girlfriends rallied round and tried to help her out.  But it was not easy as she did not have the temperament or the qualifications which would have made her a potentially good employee.  'One of her boyfriends and I tried to get her this receptionist job with British Telecom, but it didn't work out,' said Kirstie.  'She just couldn't make it through that kind of interview."

Reading all the books (excl Lomax) I don't get the impression SC lived very comfortably at all.  Sure she was privately educated, received private psychiatric treatment and her parents bought the Maida Vale flat but she doesn't seem to have had any money of her own so to speak.  She claimed DSS and June delivered weekly food parcels.  Hence she turned to things like soft porn modelling and a stint at waitressing in some seedy joint where women dress up as school girls to serve school dinner type fayre to men   

After finishing school/secretarial college she got a job as a trainee hairdresser but was sacked after six months.  She also worked in a shoe shop for a while.  As far as I can see the only modelling assignment she had was the ill-fated trip to Tokyo where she wrote to CC asking him to make arrangements for her to see a psychiatrist on her return.

[lookout]

Hi NN,,but nobody told Sheila to lead her life as she did. Soft porn for instance.Can you imagine June sending her down that route.? What Sheila did,was under her own volition,,nobody else's,,and this is part of what I mean about her being reliant on the " good life ",,and her obvious unsettled mind of which steps to take next.
I think if Sheila hadn't touched the noxious substances,there might have been a chance that she'd have improved slowly but surely. Sadly,,she was looking for a way out,,and found it.