Jeremy Bamber: the Prelude, the Tragedy and the Aftermath

[maggie]

She did seem to want to take charge, as one anecdote in Colin's book attests, appearing on a Friday at Moreshead Mansions and expecting to take the twins back to the White House for the weekend.

Its no secret that Colin didn't like June a d it has often been said she had a 'strong' character but that doesn't mean she did not love her grandchildren or have photos taken with then.

[lookout]

Maybe but that doesn't mean there weren't any, just that there are none in the public domain.

I suppose in my mind I was thinking about the bit of happiness that Sheila had when Christine got on the floor with the boys and played at their level.  All enjoying the moment, against the stark contrast that was WHF.

[guest154]

I haven't seen any pics of June with those little boys Maggie. It's every granny's joy to be pictured with her grandchildren.

We've seen 5 or 6 pictures of the family. Why would you expect to have seen any of June with her grandkids?

[Steve_uk]

Its no secret that Colin didn't like June a d it has often been said she had a 'strong' character but that doesn't mean she did not love her grandchildren or have photos taken with then.

I know you often argue for June maggie and I don't think she was all bad, but I still think she had remnants of mental illness which at times manifested themselves in her religiosity which even she herself was unaware of.

[Steve_uk]

http://c8.alamy.com/comp/B558CR/crime-murder-victims-of-jeremy-bamber-his-adoptive-june-bamber-his-B558CR.jpg

Both boys and mother naïve and vulnerable, falling prey to Jeremy the wolf.

[Stephanie]

http://c8.alamy.com/comp/B558CR/crime-murder-victims-of-jeremy-bamber-his-adoptive-june-bamber-his-B558CR.jpg

You'll be lucky if you get an acknowledgement Steve; or one picture won't be enough.

[Steve_uk]

You'll be lucky if you get an acknowledgement Steve; or one picture won't be enough.

Hi Stephanie this picture had slipped my memory-I was thinking of the one with Jeremy stooping over the kitchen table which the twins were actually on the extremities of but cut off in some versions.

[Stephanie]

Hi Stephanie this picture had slipped my memory-I was thinking of the one with Jeremy stooping over the kitchen table which the twins were actually on the extremities of but cut off in some versions.

I've been thinking about asking Bamber if he'll allow me to visit as I have a series of questions to put forward to him. What do you think my chances are Steve 

[maggie]

I suppose in my mind I was thinking about the bit of happiness that Sheila had when Christine got on the floor with the boys and played at their level.  All enjoying the moment, against the stark contrast that was WHF.

Maybe she did but that is easy enough to do. I tend to see things from a different perspective.

What if I had a daughter with a mental health illness who dreamed of a real  'fantasy' mother who would take her away from her pain to a promised land. This fantasy 'real' mother would be so much nicer thAn her horrible adoptive mother who made her ill. However maybe this was not reality but part of her illness in her head, unfortunately she told everyone that was the truth.  People would believe it and say I had been cruel to her even though it was all in my daughter's head.
I think most like the idea of the wonderful natural mother returning to claim her child from the unloving adoptive mother bit like the wicked stepmother. ......  just putting a different point of view.

[Steve_uk]

I hope Stephanie Sadie is looking in tonight.   https://twitter.com/babylemonade9

[Steve_uk]

I've been thinking about asking Bamber if he'll allow me to visit as I have a series of questions to put forward to him. What do you think my chances are Steve 

He has nothing relevant to tell to his advantage to anybody.

[maggie]

I know you often argue for June maggie and I don't think she was all bad, but I still think she had remnants of mental illness which at times manifested themselves in her religiosity which even she herself was unaware of.

I'm not denying she had suffered from a mental illness and she may have found it difficult to show her feelings at times but I think people are too hard on her when they realy don't know what she was like. She was a victim and she had a dreadful death. I feel for June, I also accept we are both adoptive mothers which means I identify with her and maybe think I understAnd her better than others on some level, even if I don't.   I feel I have to stand up for June.

[Stephanie]

I hope Stephanie Sadie is looking in tonight.   https://twitter.com/babylemonade9

Why is that? I've never heard of her. Can she get me a visiting order 

[Steve_uk]

Maybe she did but that is easy enough to do. I tend to see things from a different perspective.

What if I had a daughter with a mental health illness who dreamed of a real  'fantasy' mother who would take her away from her pain to a promised land. This fantasy 'real' mother would be so much nicer thAn her horrible adoptive mother who made her ill. However maybe this was not reality but part of her illness in her head, unfortunately she told everyone that was the truth.  People would believe it and say I had been cruel to her even though it was all in my daughter's head.
I think most like the idea of the wonderful natural mother returning to claim her child from the unloving adoptive mother bit like the wicked stepmother. ......  just putting a different point of view.

But she never confronted her mother, disclosed from the Maida Vale set with one of her friends wondering why she was so submissive to her.

[maggie]

But she never confronted her mother, disclosed from the Maida Vale set with one of her friends wondering why she was so submissive to her.

Sheila had a mental illness, no doubt about that, who knows how it affected her. I am not claiming my post is anything more than suggestion but just pointing out that relationships and mental illness can be more complex than is sometimes considered.  Things are not alwAys as they appear to be.