Jeremy Bamber: the Prelude, the Tragedy and the Aftermath

[Jane]

From what I know about Jeremy Bamber and it's true I don't really know much about the real day to day Jeremy I would think he was more of a fake Cartier kind of a guy.  Would thin he probably had other uses for his £2000.... clubbing, champers, women?

Yes, and as it takes an expert to tell a good fake, no one in a nightclub is likely to be anything but impressed by the guy flashing the Cartier. The returns were probably exactly the ones he wanted.

[maggie]

Yes, and as it takes an expert to tell a good fake, no one in a nightclub is likely to be anything but impressed by the guy flashing the Cartier. The returns were probably exactly the ones he wanted.

I would think you are right.  I must say I wouldn't have noticed it but then I was always a bit otherworldly   
I suppose the 1980s was the specific time for fake Cartier Watches and pretension..... let's face it I am sure most of these watches were fakes but I would guess a good fake was still quite pricey?

[maggie]

But we know he was impulsive.. and hey he was young..

I agree although I believe there was at least a hint of sarcasm in your post, Steve. Many young men who never killed anyone behaved in similar fashion I am sure.

[Steve_uk]

I agree although I believe there was at least a hint of sarcasm in your post, Steve. Many young men who never killed anyone behaved in similar fashion I am sure.

Do you think in the early days before Sheila's illness when she liked to be seen with the in-crowd and had her days as cynosure while Jeremy tagged along he thought he had to keep up with her in some way, and that buying expensive presents may have been one manifestation of this?

[Jane]

Do you think in the early days before Sheila's illness when she liked to be seen with the in-crowd and had her days as cynosure while Jeremy tagged along he thought he had to keep up with her in some way, and that buying expensive presents may have been one manifestation of this?

Three years can be a huge gap, Steve. When Sheila was a "grown-up" and "playing with the big boys" at 15, Jeremy would still have been a pre pubescent boy. I imagine he would have thought he was in heaven as a 15 year old to her 18 during the somewhat limited times he was with her at parties then.

[lookout]

 When you're brought up in a family who are used to the finest trappings in life,the siblings usually follow suit as they grow older and the best of everything comes as second nature,so it comes as no surprise to me that both Sheila and Jeremy had the best that money could buy. To own a Cartier or Rolex watch would have been the norm. My pa-in-law owned a Rolex which he'd bought in 1953,and I've still got his gold Rotary watch which he wore doing the gardening ! Still going too. The Rolex had " vanished " after he'd died. ?
Nothing was bought on impulse in that household.It was how they lived.Wine,champagne was bought by the crate and not per bottle. This is why I can understand how the Bambers lived.
 

[Steve_uk]

When you're brought up in a family who are used to the finest trappings in life,the siblings usually follow suit as they grow older and the best of everything comes as second nature,so it comes as no surprise to me that both Sheila and Jeremy had the best that money could buy. To own a Cartier or Rolex watch would have been the norm. My pa-in-law owned a Rolex which he'd bought in 1953,and I've still got his gold Rotary watch which he wore doing the gardening ! Still going too. The Rolex had " vanished " after he'd died. ?
Nothing was bought on impulse in that household.It was how they lived.Wine,champagne was bought by the crate and not per bottle. This is why I can understand how the Bambers lived.
 

They did know how to enjoy themselves in what little leisure time they seemed to have, yet I still wonder about the lounge which we have never seen and the shabby chic furnishings throughout, not forgetting the oppressive atmosphere which made Sheila carve "I hate this place" into the wardrobe.

[lookout]

They did know how to enjoy themselves in what little leisure time they seemed to have, yet I still wonder about the lounge which we have never seen and the shabby chic furnishings throughout, not forgetting the oppressive atmosphere which made Sheila carve "I hate this place" into the wardrobe.

Time does tend to stand still in properties of the nature of WHF. A Georgian building with everything to match.None of your G-Plan furniture. Curtains were probably the heavy chintz,but as you say,we've never seen further than the kitchen and one bedroom.
It was an entirely different era in which the family had chosen to live in and one in which Sheila would certainly have felt stifled in and probably out of bounds for two boisterous children in case they knocked over a Dresden figurine or damaged the Meissen clock.
No pics of June with the boys,but a lovely one with Neville reading to them which they must have enjoyed. All they got from June was " Praise the Lord " ! No wonder they didn't like going there.

[Steve_uk]

Time does tend to stand still in properties of the nature of WHF. A Georgian building with everything to match.None of your G-Plan furniture. Curtains were probably the heavy chintz,but as you say,we've never seen further than the kitchen and one bedroom.
It was an entirely different era in which the family had chosen to live in and one in which Sheila would certainly have felt stifled in and probably out of bounds for two boisterous children in case they knocked over a Dresden figurine or damaged the Meissen clock.
No pics of June with the boys,but a lovely one with Neville reading to them which they must have enjoyed. All they got from June was " Praise the Lord " ! No wonder they didn't like going there.

Didn't they take two lamps out of the house and leave them in a hedge?  Such poignant reminiscences. Weren't they on the photo with Jeremy leaning over the table, but cut off on some depictions for some reason.

[lookout]

Didn't they take two lamps out of the house and leave them in a hedge?  Such poignant reminiscences. Weren't they on the photo with Jeremy leaning over the table, but cut off on some depictions for some reason.

I don't know about that.

[maggie]

Time does tend to stand still in properties of the nature of WHF. A Georgian building with everything to match.None of your G-Plan furniture. Curtains were probably the heavy chintz,but as you say,we've never seen further than the kitchen and one bedroom.
It was an entirely different era in which the family had chosen to live in and one in which Sheila would certainly have felt stifled in and probably out of bounds for two boisterous children in case they knocked over a Dresden figurine or damaged the Meissen clock.
No pics of June with the boys,but a lovely one with Neville reading to them which they must have enjoyed. All they got from June was " Praise the Lord " ! No wonder they didn't like going there.

No offence  Lookout but I think that's a bit hard on June for all we know she may have taken the photo. I can't believe June didn't spend time with and love the twins.

[lookout]

No offence  Lookout but I think that's a bit hard on June for all we know she may have taken the photo. I can't believe June didn't spend time with and love the twins.

I haven't seen any pics of June with those little boys Maggie. It's every granny's joy to be pictured with her grandchildren.

[Steve_uk]

No offence  Lookout but I think that's a bit hard on June for all we know she may have taken the photo. I can't believe June didn't spend time with and love the twins.

She did seem to want to take charge, as one anecdote in Colin's book attests, appearing on a Friday at Moreshead Mansions and expecting to take the twins back to the White House for the weekend.

[maggie]

I haven't seen any pics of June with those little boys Maggie. It's every granny's joy to be pictured with her grandchildren.

Maybe but that doesn't mean there weren't any, just that there are none in the public domain.

[Steve_uk]

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