Jeremy Bamber Campaign for Freedom

[Lugg]

does this help?

Thus on the 2nd September 1985, RB organised for a solicitor, Mr Peek to visit MS in order for her to change her will. Thus ensuring that his wife, PB was the only beneficiary of the estate.

Where did you get that from Patti? If that is the true version then Robert Boutflours actions would in my mind be justified. I think under similar circumstances I would do the same?
But if this website's version is the true version then his actions would be questionable in  my humble opinion, as Mabel Speakman's mind, according to this version was not fit to sign any legal documents.

[Patti]

Where did you get that from Patti? If that is the true version then Robert Boutflours actions would in my mind be justified. I think under similar circumstances I would do the same?
But if this website's version is the true version then his actions would be questionable in  my humble opinion, as Mabel Speakman's mind, according to this version was not fit to sign any legal documents.

Hi Lugg If you look at the link that you posted and scroll down you will see certain words highlighted in blue, which leads you to relevant documents that backs up what has been written on the website you posted....I got it from there, but I do know that AE mentions this in her 1991 statement. 

In all fairness the will had to be changed because JB was no longer alive.....I think Ae more or less admits that it was done so that JB did not inherit...

[Lugg]

Hi Lugg If you look at the link that you posted and scroll down you will see certain words highlighted in blue, which leads you to relevant documents that backs up what has been written on the website you posted....I got it from there, but I do know that AE mentions this in her 1991 statement. 

In all fairness the will had to be changed because JB was no longer alive.....I think Ae more or less admits that it was done so that JB did not inherit...

Yes I understand that Patti and I fully understand their reasons for doing that. But if that is true what you say, then it still leaves us with two versions. (1) That the will was changed after the guilty verdict and (2) That it was changed before the verdict.
Also there is the little matter of whether she was of sound mind at the time of the changing of the will?

[Patti]

Yes I understand that Patti and I fully understand their reasons for doing that. But if that is true what you say, then it still leaves us with two versions. (1) That the will was changed after the guilty verdict and (2) That it was changed before the verdict.
Also there is the little matter of whether she was of sound mind at the time of the changing of the will?

Well, it wasn't until the 28th August 1985 that the family told Granny S. The will was certainly changed before the trial and verdict, because sadly she died in the February of 1986. 

[Caroline R]

Yes I understand that Patti and I fully understand their reasons for doing that. But if that is true what you say, then it still leaves us with two versions. (1) That the will was changed after the guilty verdict and (2) That it was changed before the verdict.
Also there is the little matter of whether she was of sound mind at the time of the changing of the will?

In one of RB statements he says that on Monday 2nd September 1985 Mr Peek and his secretary took instructions from Mable Speakman to change her will. In another statement he said that PB told MS that the whole family, except JB had been shot but I don't recall any statement that mentions her being told that JB was a suspect?

[tyler]

They didn't tell her that JB was a suspect.They told her that he was responsible!

[Caroline R]

They didn't tell her that JB was a suspect.They told her that he was responsible!

When did they tell her? By that I mean is it documented?

[tyler]

Hi...yes,it is documented somewhere. Will try to find it for you.Granny Speakman was told in Sept 85,before Jeremy had even been arrested.She was told that Jeremy was responsible and made a comment something along the lines of "Its the devil at work"I'm uncertain as to the date that she changed her will,but she passed away in feb 86 if I - remember rightly.

[Caroline R]

Hi...yes,it is documented somewhere. Will try to find it for you.Granny Speakman was told in Sept 85,before Jeremy had even been arrested.She was told that Jeremy was responsible and made a comment something along the lines of "Its the devil at work"I'm uncertain as to the date that she changed her will,but she passed away in feb 86 if I - remember rightly.

Hi Tyler, I found the RB statement that mentions her being told they were all dead (cept Jeremy) on Monday 2nd September 1985 but it doesn't mention that she was told JB was responsible and "The devil's work" was mentioned". I'll paste the ref I have below.

[Patti]

She was told on the 28th August and on the 2nd of September RB engaged a solicitor. I have already said this at least 3 times. I know what it says in RB statement but he got it wrong....if you read AE statement and other documents it will confirm this.  I'm not saying I am 100% right, but either way it was done pre trial......in order that Jeremy was disinherited and before he was found guilty. 

gran S. said its the devil at work and asked the doctor when am i going to die....according to AE.  Sorry to have to say that. 

[Lugg]

Well, it wasn't until the 28th August 1985 that the family told Granny S. The will was certainly changed before the trial and verdict, because sadly she died in the February of 1986. 

You are one smart lady Patti. Thank you.

[Lugg]

In one of RB statements he says that on Monday 2nd September 1985 Mr Peek and his secretary took instructions from Mable Speakman to change her will. In another statement he said that PB told MS that the whole family, except JB had been shot but I don't recall any statement that mentions her being told that JB was a suspect?

But was Mabel Speakman sound of mind at the time of changing her will? But at any rate they preempted the verdict at the trial. That cannot look good for RB surely. Now notice that I have come to this question without any bias at all?

[Lugg]

They didn't tell her that JB was a suspect.They told her that he was responsible!

Again this doesn't look good for those who told her that? The question is WHY did they think immediately of informing Mabel Speakman? What was their motive for doing this?

[Lugg]

Hi Tyler, I found the RB statement that mentions her being told they were all dead (cept Jeremy) on Monday 2nd September 1985 but it doesn't mention that she was told JB was responsible and "The devil's work" was mentioned". I'll paste the ref I have below.

If they didn't tell her that he was responsible then the "devil's work" was surely involved. For it must mean that she was miraculously informed?

[Lugg]

She was told on the 28th August and on the 2nd of September RB engaged a solicitor. I have already said this at least 3 times. I know what it says in RB statement but he got it wrong....if you read AE statement and other documents it will confirm this.  I'm not saying I am 100% right, but either way it was done pre trial......in order that Jeremy was disinherited and before he was found guilty. 

gran S. said its the devil at work and asked the doctor when am i going to die....according to AE.  Sorry to have to say that.

You are a brilliant investigator Patti.