Guilty?

[bloggs and son]

Maggie,,,Crispy would have known Jeremy,,so therefore wouldn't have barked. That was always supposing it had been Jeremy of course.

The dog has always puzzled me. If the killer was an unknown person then probably it would have barked and possible the killer would have wanted to eliminate something that would spoil his plans? Yet when the copes went there apparently both dogs were barking. Did the outside dog bark when he heard them turn up and this in turn set the other dog off barking? Or was the inside dog barking from the outset? Jeremy said that it was always quiet.

[maggie]

A good dog would know by your footsteps who you were.

would he know how you opened the window.....I'm not conviced.

[elphick]

Then again perhaps that is what happened? He alerted the whole house and foiled the killers plans? Just trying to see things from the other side.

I had given this some thought. Supposing it was Jeremy that entered the house that night. He could have simply gone in through a door - he had keys. He would have only needed to use the window on the way out when he had 'covered his tracks' by making it look like all the doors were locked and bolted.

[Roch]

Exactly, a red herring which enables various people to try and link Jeremy in, I still think it was most likely, a sucide and a domestic...personally, and everything else is either coincidental or manipulated.  imho

I agree but this still leaves the enormous question of why the police would buckle and divert to gun for Bamber?  What would make them need to seize upon and micro-manage Julie Mugford, going over and above in trying to make her a credible witness? It's as if Desperate diseases must have desperate remedies

The best answer I've seen from the guilty camp is that they had wrongly destroyed the crime scene and now had to come up with the goods, to satisfy the mounting suspicions towards Bamber.

Mike Tesko would answer it is to do with the dynamics surrounding the bungled raid, ACC Simpson and RB.

[maggie]

I had given this some thought. Supposing it was Jeremy that entered the house that night. He could have simply gone in through a door - he had keys. He would have only needed to use the window on the way out when he had 'covered his tracks' by making it look like all the doors were locked and bolted.

Yes except Ralph would have bolted the doors before he went to bed, I thought.  They would have probably gone to bed early as harvest time would mean an early start next day.

[JackiePreece]

Or your smell. Crispy probably wasn't that bright though.

Anymore clever assumptions Bridget, poor Simon Hall

[elphick]

Yes except Ralph would have bolted the doors before he went to bed, I thought.  They would have probably gone to bed early as harvest time would mean an early start next day.

Did all the doors have an inside bolt? 

Yes, they might have gone to bed early, Jeremy might have been the last one out for all we know.

[maggie]

I agree but this still leaves the enormous question of why the police would buckle and divert to gun for Bamber?  What would make them need to seize upon and micro-manage Julie Mugford, going over and above in trying to make her a credible witness? It's as if Desperate diseases must have desperate remedies
The best answer I've seen from the guilty camp is that they had wrongly destroyed the crime scene and now had to come up with the goods, to satisfy the mounting suspicions towards Bamber.
Mike Tesko would answer it is to do with the dynamics surrounding the bungled raid, ACC Simpson and RB.

Thi is really changing the goal posts but we talk about Jimmy Bell, millionnaire farmer there was also Wilfred Bull who shot his brother acciddentally and then went to prison for life for shooting his wife. Bell, Bull and Bamber were all wealthy, living in the same area and knew each other.  Wilfred Bull, multi millionnaire knew Prime Ministers, and many other people in power all over the world. May be clutching at broken straws but it makes you think there may be a connection to something we are totally unaware of......peter healey's book

[mertol22]

Hi Maggie

Have you read Jeremy's ex girlfriend's stat, Suzette Ford?  JB lived with her for a while.  She was separated from her husband and had two children.  She said he was very good with her children eg spent time playing with them, spent c£70 on buying them lego, took them to the park.  Sound like someone capable of murdering his 6 year old nephews?  I believe she attended some of the trial and believed him to be innocent.

As an aside Suzette looked far more glamorous than JM.  There's a pic on the red site.

Finding a lady more glamorous than mugford was never going to present a problem really was it ?

[maggie]

Hi Maggie

Have you read Jeremy's ex girlfriend's stat, Suzette Ford?  JB lived with her for a while.  She was separated from her husband and had two children.  She said he was very good with her children eg spent time playing with them, spent c£70 on buying them lego, took them to the park.  Sound like someone capable of murdering his 6 year old nephews?  I believe she attended some of the trial and believed him to be innocent.

As an aside Suzette looked far more glamorous than JM.  There's a pic on the red site.

Hi egap, yes I have read that and seen her picture, she was very good looking.  I can't tie Jeremy to these crimes, it's too cantradictory simple reasoning tells you he wasn't capable.  It takes a certain kind of person to commit such a heinous crime and there is no hint any where of him showing the slightest sign of such behaviour. imo

[bloggs and son]

Hi Maggie

Have you read Jeremy's ex girlfriend's stat, Suzette Ford?  JB lived with her for a while.  She was separated from her husband and had two children.  She said he was very good with her children eg spent time playing with them, spent c£70 on buying them lego, took them to the park.  Sound like someone capable of murdering his 6 year old nephews?  I believe she attended some of the trial and believed him to be innocent.

As an aside Suzette looked far more glamorous than JM.  There's a pic on the red site.

I'm afraid I don't frequent the red light district so I wouldn't know?

[JackiePreece]

Hi Maggie

Have you read Jeremy's ex girlfriend's stat, Suzette Ford?  JB lived with her for a while.  She was separated from her husband and had two children.  She said he was very good with her children eg spent time playing with them, spent c£70 on buying them lego, took them to the park.  Sound like someone capable of murdering his 6 year old nephews?  I believe she attended some of the trial and believed him to be innocent.

As an aside Suzette looked far more glamorous than JM.  There's a pic on the red site.

Absolutely Egap another great example

[maggie]

Finding a lady more glamorous than mugford was never going to present a problem really was it ?

I should imagine he found Julie Mugford a bit dangerous probably a bit exciting, she wasn't afraid to break the law.   Should think that was quite attractive to a young guy like Jeremy.

[mertol22]

I should imagine he found Julie Mugford a bit dangerous probably a bit exciting, she wasn't afraid to break the law.   Should think that was quite attractive to a young guy like Jeremy.

With a high price to pay in time jeremy was duped a harsh lesson learned and still learning.

[maggie]

With a high price to pay in time jeremy was duped a harsh lesson learned and still learning.

Yes, it seems to me she was a much tougher character than JB, but I'm sure the guilty side will rubbish such an opinion.