The Role of DCI "Terry" Gibbons, at the scene - 7th August 1985...

[bigpod]

Ewen Smith who was Jeremy's solicitor in 2003, has got copies of them - he even went to interview these witnesses and took new statements before Jeremy disposed of his services...

Here and elsewhere you say JB "disposed of the services" of Ewen Smith. Sounds like there was some real falling out/other difficulty. Is there any relevent history here?

[mike tesko]

Ewen Smith who was Jeremy's solicitor in 2003, has got copies of them - he even went to interview these witnesses and took new statements before Jeremy disposed of his services...

Here and elsewhere you say JB "disposed of the services" of Ewen Smith. Sounds like there was some real falling out/other difficulty. Is there any relevent history here?

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Yes, my impression was that Jeremy did not like the way that Ewen was getting information from Essex police, including photographs, and he was not sharing this information directly with Jeremy...

[paulg]

Ewen Smith who was Jeremy's solicitor in 2003, has got copies of them - he even went to interview these witnesses and took new statements before Jeremy disposed of his services...

Here and elsewhere you say JB "disposed of the services" of Ewen Smith. Sounds like there was some real falling out/other difficulty. Is there any relevent history here?

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Yes, my impression was that Jeremy did not like the way that Ewen was getting information from Essex police, including photographs, and he was not sharing this information directly with Jeremy...

Anyway we can get this, and other stuff from them to look at Mike?

See, it works both ways as i see it. If EP was interviewing and taking these sort of statements for the suicide original file, then its pretty damning IMO. They look fabricated, or, the truth stretched.

Any idea if they have the original statements, as well as newly taken statements?

[shonapugs]

Mike, what was everyone (including Sheila, presumably) doing between 7.45am and 8.10 am?

[smiffy]

"Sheila" moved from the kitchen to the bedroom... most likely with the assistance of EP.

all will be revealed in time ..so be patient...some people went to a fair bit of trouble covering this up so it takes a while to untangle it.

[wichfinder]

but policeman never tell lies its well known ask dick holland.

[mike tesko]

Mike, what was everyone (including Sheila, presumably) doing between 7.45am and 8.10 am?

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I think primarily, Sheila may have still been unconscious, and the raid team went about their business inside the farmhouse checking all the other rooms, until all five of the victims have been verified as being dead - including the three bodies (only) upstairs by that stage...

[andrea]

but policeman never tell lies its well known ask dick holland.

you mean dick holland who investigated the yorkshire ripper murders?

[wichfinder]

yes isnt he brillant hes also the man who caught steven kisko.

[andrea]

poor kiscko who was innocent of what he was charged with, was found not guilty on appeal, then the poor bloke died? ask dick holland indeed!!!



he spent 16 yrs in prison for the murder of lesley molseed, of which he was innocent.

he died a year after his release, prison had taken its toll physically and mentally,he was 41 yrs old.poor bloke.

[Alias]

poor kiscko who was innocent of what he was charged with, was found not guilty on appeal, then the poor bloke died? ask dick holland indeed!!!



he spent 16 yrs in prison for the murder of lesley molseed, of which he was innocent.

he died a year after his release, prison had taken its toll physically and mentally,he was 41 yrs old.poor bloke.

I saw some Youtube videos about this case not so long ago. It is one of the saddest cases I have ever heard of - I cried after watching; I don´t cry easily! POOR man. Thank God he had his mother who fought for him all those years!

[andrea]

there have been so many miscarriages of justice abs, the notable ones being the above, derek bentley, the birmingham 6, the carl bridgewater case and timothy evans and many more. So sad for those concerened, how many more languish innocent in jail?

[Alias]

there have been so many miscarriages of justice abs, the notable ones being the above, derek bentley, the birmingham 6, the carl bridgewater case and timothy evans and many more. So sad for those concerened, how many more languish innocent in jail?

I know. It is more common than people think. It can happen to any of us any day - very scary stuff!!

[wichfinder]

you ll be saying Colin staggs innocent next.

[andrea]

ok wichfinder do you jb is innocent or guilty?