Sheilas Two Shots

[snow66!]

He was aiming for an instantly fatal shot.

He had achieved the 'fatal' bit. But it was not instant.  He decided to fire again.

Ok,i see Adam,there is a part of the neck called --THE INSTANTLY FATAL SHOT AREA--we will leave it at that.Ha,ha

[Rob_]

He was aiming for an instantly fatal shot.

He had achieved the 'fatal' bit. But it was not instant.  He decided to fire again.

There is no guarantee that a shot to the neck with a .22 low velocity rifle would be fatal Adam? Seems a strange choice for someone trying to make it look like suicide?

[Adam]

There is no guarantee that a shot to the neck with a .22 low velocity rifle would be fatal Adam? Seems a strange choice for someone trying to make it look like suicide?

Bamber had to shoot Sheila with the same rifle everyone else had been shot with.

Bamber did achieve fatal shots with both bullets. One of them instantly fatal.

[Adam]

Suspect Bamber fired one shot into Sheila. Then started finishing things off upstairs - getting the bible, shooting June twice more, shooting the twins more.

Upon checking Sheila, he saw she was still breathing. He then shot her again. Then went downstairs with rifle/silencer to check on Nevill.

[snow66!]

There is no guarantee that a shot to the neck with a .22 low velocity rifle would be fatal Adam? Seems a strange choice for someone trying to make it look like suicide?

Yes there is a guarantee Rob,if you put a bullet in the--INSTANTLY FATAL SHOT AREA--- unfortunately JB missed it.

[snow66!]

Suspect Bamber fired one shot into Sheila. Then started finishing things off upstairs - getting the bible, shooting June twice more, shooting the twins more.

Upon checking Sheila, he saw she was still breathing. He then shot her again. Then went downstairs with rifle/silencer to check on Nevill.

Why didnt JB shoot Sheila at the same angle with the second shot Adam?

[snow66!]

Did it?

I have no idea.

On page 2 of the case related photos in the Archives,about half way down there is a diagram of Sheila.It shows the angle the two bullets entered from the front and from the side.Side on,the non fatal shot is about 80 degrees off the vertical,the fatal wound is about 25.Front on,the non fatal shot is about 10 degrees to the right,the fatal shot about 8.Dont know if you have checked this out before or not Adam.

[Adam]

Going by the evidence it shows Bamber shot Sheila once. This was a very accurate & damaging shot which would have eventually been fatal. 

Sheila was immobilised and did not stand or sit up. There was haemorrhaging from her neck.

A second shot was fired in a similar location shortly afterwards. This was instantly fatal.





 

[killingeve]

Hiya Cutie,how are you today.Yes,i often think that is the problem with this case.No scenario was needed at trial to convict JB.The scenario i quoted ,is from CALS book page 415.Anyway,i am not asking about the scenario,the main question is why did JB Shoot Sheila through the neck with the first shot ,instead of up into the brain.Even if Sheila was struggling,he simply couldnt have been that far off.Next you will be saying the rifle went off by mistake,before he was in position.

I don't have CAL's book to hand but think you're referring to a note from EP in the DPP file?  Bottom line is that it wasn't adjudicated on at trial in any sort of detail. 

You could ask why JB/SC was unable to inflict an immediately fatal shot so not really sure where you're going with this? 

[killingeve]

On page 2 of the case related photos in the Archives,about half way down there is a diagram of Sheila.It shows the angle the two bullets entered from the front and from the side.Side on,the non fatal shot is about 80 degrees off the vertical,the fatal wound is about 25.Front on,the non fatal shot is about 10 degrees to the right,the fatal shot about 8.Dont know if you have checked this out before or not Adam.

Did a pathologist provide the above information?

[snow66!]

I don't have CAL's book to hand but think you're referring to a note from EP in the DPP file?  Bottom line is that it wasn't adjudicated on at trial in any sort of detail. 

You could ask why JB/SC was unable to inflict an immediately fatal shot so not really sure where you're going with this?

Hi Cutie,how are you this morning.Sorry you dont understand what the thread is about.I will try to clarify later totay.Have to go and work for a while.

[snow66!]

Did a pathologist provide the above information?

No Cutie,this is what i have personally worked out using a protractor.As i explained to Adam,there is a diagram showing the angles of the two shots to Sheila.page 2 of the case related photos,about half way down.Having re-checked the angles,i believe the fatal shot may be nearer 30 degrees than 25.But please measure the angles yourself Cutie,and see if you agree.Hope to speak to you later,bye for now.

[snow66!]

Going by the evidence it shows Bamber shot Sheila once. This was a very accurate & damaging shot which would have eventually been fatal. 

Sheila was immobilised and did not stand or sit up. There was haemorrhaging from her neck.

A second shot was fired in a similar location shortly afterwards. This was instantly fatal.





 

Goodmorning Adam,hope you are well.Yes the second shot was fired in a similar location,but at a   COMPLETELY DIFFERENT ANGLE,straight up into the brain.The first shot was simplly fired straight into the neck.Check the angles Adam.

[Adam]

Not sure what point Snow66! is making. According to him the two shots being at different angles.

Both shots were fatal. Either instantly or over a longer period.

[Jane]

Ok,i see Adam,there is a part of the neck called --THE INSTANTLY FATAL SHOT AREA--we will leave it at that.Ha,ha

Indeed there is, Snow. It's called the jugular, which MAY have been his target because she refused to open her mouth. Had he forced it he could have damaged her teeth which would have looked suspicious.