Is Colin Caffell In Any Way Resposnible For Bamber?

[Steve_uk]

You weren’t round the table that night so you have absolutely no idea what was said that night. By making statements like that you look stupid.

From the moment those twins were born they were precious and Colin was responsible for every part of there wellbeing.
He knew there mother was suicidal (was having very serious mental health problems) yet he handed his twins over to do god knows what that weekend.

He failed those children and he continues year after year to deflect his failings onto Jeremy

I think the quote from Matthew 7: 5 may be apposite here:

Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye;
and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye

As for Colin knowing Sheila was suicidal, this is supposition on your part.

He deflected his failings as caregiver onto Jeremy, the bloke who killed them. I'll have to think about that one.

[Roch]

No because he knows she could never have used that gun, let alone reloaded.

Boyce showed that the gun was easy to use. Lightweight and easy to handle. It makes more sense for an inexperienced Sheila to use that gun, than it does for Bamber. Anybody using that gun would be taking a risk of needing to fire multiple shots in order to incapacitate the adult victims.

[Roch]

As for Colin knowing Sheila was suicidal, this is supposition on your part.

Not correct Steve. One of Colin's first remarks to police was 'so she finally did it'.

[Steve_uk]

Boyce showed that the gun was easy to use. Lightweight and easy to handle. It makes more sense for an inexperienced Sheila to use that gun, than it does for Bamber. Anybody using that gun would be taking a risk of needing to fire multiple shots in order to incapacitate the adult victims.

Isn't it strange that the Bamber supporters stress Sheila's mental fragility at every turn (suicidal thoughts, indifference towards the twins, couldn't pour water into a glass without spilling, couldn't drive a motor vehicle), yet as soon as it comes to firing 25 shots on target and reloading a gun twice in the wee hours of the morning she's as proficient as the accomplished veteran.

[JackieD]

Not correct Steve. One of Colin's first remarks to police was 'so she finally did it'.

Exactly. But Steve was fully aware of Colins comments.

Once again Steve your use of supposition makes you sound stupid

[killingeve]

You weren’t round the table that night so you have absolutely no idea what was said that night. By making statements like that you look stupid.

From the moment those twins were born they were precious and Colin was responsible for every part of there wellbeing.
He knew there mother was suicidal (was having very serious mental health problems) yet he handed his twins over to do god knows what that weekend.

He failed those children and he continues year after year to deflect his failings onto Jeremy

36 years down the line how is the above going to assist the man you want to support? 

I am sure Inside Justice/Louise Shorter would just love to make a doc about Bamber and include denigrating Colin as you and others here do.   Makes perfect sense only to the likes of you and the other freaks of nature here.   

[Roch]

Isn't it strange that the Bamber supporters stress Sheila's mental fragility at every turn (suicidal thoughts, indifference towards the twins, couldn't pour water into a glass without spilling, couldn't drive a motor vehicle), yet as soon as it comes to firing 25 shots on target and reloading a gun twice in the wee hours of the morning she's as proficient as the accomplished veteran.

I think her physical presentation wasn't fixed. The thing is Steve, neither Nevill or June were ever going to shoot Sheila to stop her. So from the off, she had the advantage of not only being armed, but also of being up against loved ones who would be dumbfounded at the level of escalation. Her shots were close range and in confined spaces; with the other adults becoming less mobile with each shot. I think she fired shots in to victims who were immobilised. The narrative of CAL is a false narrative, regarding this aspect of the case.

[killingeve]

Isn't it strange that the Bamber supporters stress Sheila's mental fragility at every turn (suicidal thoughts, indifference towards the twins, couldn't pour water into a glass without spilling, couldn't drive a motor vehicle), yet as soon as it comes to firing 25 shots on target and reloading a gun twice in the wee hours of the morning she's as proficient as the accomplished veteran.

The water pouring and driving emanated from Mrs Eaton I think.

[Steve_uk]

I think her physical presentation wasn't fixed. The thing is Steve, neither Nevill or June were ever going to shoot Sheila to stop her. So from the off, she had the advantage of not only being armed, but also of being up against loved ones who would be dumbfounded at the level of escalation. Her shots were close range and in confined spaces; with the other adults becoming less mobile with each shot. I think she fired shots in to victims who were immobilised. The narrative of CAL is a false narrative, regarding this aspect of the case.

Do you not regard the absence of the telephone in the master bedroom as suspicious? It rules out premeditation on the part of Sheila if she suffered a psychotic incident on the Tuesday night. If she killed her children out of love she would lie down next to them, but Jeremy hadn't refelected so deeply, so she had to be shot whilst being led into the master bedroom with the bible as subterfuge.

[JackieD]

Steve what do you think of Colins statement when he said

I believe Jeremy and Neville were very close as father and son


This was obviously what he observed over a long time and must have heard from Sheila

[Steve_uk]

Steve what do you think of Colins statement when he said

I believe Jeremy and Neville were very close as father and son


This was obviously what he observed over a long time and must have heard from Sheila

Firstly I don't recall that in his book but I will take your word for it. Both Colin and Sheila had limited knowledge of the day-to-day workings of White House Farm. Jeremy himself was given orders by his father in the morning and told to get on with it.  We know Sheila wasn't close to Jeremy from his statements to police outside the house that Wednesday morning.

[lookout]

Exactly. But Steve was fully aware of Colins comments.

Once again Steve your use of supposition makes you sound stupid

Jackie do you remember that letter that Colin wrote and he'd said in it that he didn't want June to f*ck-up the minds of the twins like she did with Sheila ?

[killingeve]

Jackie do you remember that letter that Colin wrote and he'd said in it that he didn't want June to f*ck-up the minds of the twins like she did with Sheila ?

The letter he wrote but didn't send to Mr Bamber.  He could have simply destroyed the letter but he handed it over to the police which in effect supported Bamber.

[JackieD]

Firstly I don't recall that in his book but I will take your word for it. Both Colin and Sheila had limited knowledge of the day-to-day workings of White House Farm. Jeremy himself was given orders by his father in the morning and told to get on with it.  We know Sheila wasn't close to Jeremy from his statements to police outside the house that Wednesday morning.

Try reading Colins statement for facts and the truth

Well obviously Colin got the impression that Neville and Jeremy were close from somewhere or he wouldn’t have put it in his statement

[lookout]

The letter he wrote but didn't send to Mr Bamber.  He could have simply destroyed the letter but he handed it over to the police which in effect supported Bamber.

The letter was never mentioned at trial. Given the content of it I hardly think that Colin handed it over to the police. It sounds as though it had been left at WHF, maybe with Sheila----we don't know, but that alone could have started up WW3 that night.