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Offline Bubo bubo

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Re: Did June make it to the phone
« Reply #60 on: July 20, 2021, 09:59:AM »
QC I know you are a man who chooses his words with care.

See his Steeple Times post.

I do not see how the blood in the kitchen could be June's, given the evidence we have in the master bedroom.

This sentence presupposes that the evidence we have in the bedroom is a true reflection of how the police found it on the day, free from any manipulation and staging.

Using the master bedroom scene to say blood in the kitchen cannot be June’s is ridiculous. She could have been wounded downstairs or gone downstairs at some point and then returned upstairs. Do not forget there were three ways to move between the ground and first floor.

The EP narrative relies on no evidence of June’ s blood outside the bedroom or it falls.

There are some physical aspects of the scene I would ask readers to consider. Most I have outlined in earlier posts.

1 Why is there no large pool of blood around June’s head as might be expected if she received two head shots?

2 Why is the door to the box room open in some pictures and closed in others?

3 Why are there no depressions in the electric blanket as might be expected if June had walked around the bed?

4 Why is Sheila laying on what looks for all the world like a Toilet mat?

5 Why does blood on the pillow seem to signify a head shot.?

6 Why can I see what appears to be a join in the floorboards beneath June’s bedside table?

7 Why are there a pair of socks on the mat on which Sheila lies? They are clearly too small to be Nevill’s never mind the colour.

8 What is the purpose of the long shaggy mat between the bed and the wardrobe?

There are other non-physical questions that need explaining.

Why did PV refer to the scene as being staged?

Further he said that for JB to have killed and staged Sheila in the manner displayed she would have to have been drugged. I believe I am right in saying that no drugs outside her normal medication were found.

Why did they even need an electric blanket in summer even though they had a duvet and over cover on the bed in the first place and the window was open

Why was the under bed sheet (DRH45) sampled yet remains conspicuous by its absence on JH’s samples for testing list? Given QC’s comments about deciding what was needed and burning the rest why did they select this item and then not test it? The answer is the same as the other items listed in my what to test post. Which became necessary when they were forced or decided to frame JB.

June has also been staged. How anyone can believe that with two headshots a body would end up in such a position beggars’ belief. She was staged like this because they had to come up with a reason for the large amount of elapsed time between finding the first two bodies and the remaining casualties. The time I refer to as the ‘Shitting themselves’ period.

They came up with the stealthy approach and mirrors on sticks scenario. They staged her so that her hand could be viewed from outside the bedroom.

I have documentary proof that the items burned on the day were a case exhibit collected on the day and were all part of DB2 Fire Debris.

QC has to conjure up other possibilities like cutting pieces from items. In some sense he is insulting our intelligence. If this were the case, they would have individual exhibit numbers. And if Bird photographed them we would have had pictures for the defence to see. Maybe he did but they have been withheld.

The argument with Adam over this was that If they were the work of JB the prosecution would have used this at trial. It would have provided evidence suggesting that he was cleaning up after the deed. They were burnt on the day and were never part of the wholesale burning carried out on the Wednesday if my memory serves me right.

He cannot see that the bedroom scene including shooting bullets into pillows was all part of the cover up. They had to do a good enough of a job to exonerate themselves from an external enquiry. They had also made a catastrophic mistake. They had either acted too late or shot an innocent farmers wife. They never envisaged that the case would end up with the malicious prosecution of JB and a level of intense examination.

Which is why they have to rely on propaganda books and TV programmes to promulgate their false narrative. A narrative I say they have forfeited

I am not a charlatan. I would not seek to mislead when it comes to freeing JB. I just hope that my arguments figure in the CCRC submission.

DB2 is enough in my book to say the conviction is unsafe.

I bet QC has a sore bum sitting on the fence all this time.

Offline Adam

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Re: Did June make it to the phone
« Reply #61 on: July 20, 2021, 12:17:PM »
'This sentence presupposes that the evidence we have in the bedroom is a true reflection of how the police found it on the day, free from any manipulation and staging'.

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There is no evidence the police staged the crime scene. In the short time scale to them prior to the photographer arriving.

The police called for an ambulance.
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Offline lookout

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Re: Did June make it to the phone
« Reply #62 on: July 20, 2021, 12:20:PM »
A number of years ago I can remember Jeremy having been told by an officer ( don't know who ) that there'd been a large pool of blood in the kitchen at the base of a dresser/ cabinet/ cupboard. I haven't heard anything else about it since, someone would have to speak to Jeremy about it.
I'd always been puzzled about where or who it had come from. A wild guess would be a head wound, but no pool of blood was on the floor where Nevill was as it had appeared to have been in the coal scuttle as Bubo had mentioned, a lot of blood is apparent with a head injury.

I have also added my bit over the years that there'd been a large Chinese rug, similar to the one in Sheila's bedroom, which also covered most of the main bedroom originally and had been included in the burning of items as I'd have said it would have been saturated in blood and would have trodden in everywhere if left.

The rug underneath Sheila would have been put there to save any more soiling to the floor covering which was underneath the Chinese carpet, being of a paler colour.

Another detail was that Nevil's slippers were beneath Sheila's bed. Had Sheila used them when she'd wandered down to the kitchen. I don't expect that they were tested.

On the back of the main bedroom door is blood-staining as though someone has brushed against it leaving a brush-stroke effect. Was June initially propped up against the door ? Or when moving her, did an officer happen to have blood on his clothing and brushed against it ?

Why did June and one of the boys have hits between their eyes and not all of them ?  Why were these two singled out and what was the purpose  of doing so ? 

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Re: Did June make it to the phone
« Reply #63 on: July 20, 2021, 12:24:PM »
'A number of years ago I can remember Jeremy having been told by an officer ( don't know who ) that there'd been a large pool of blood in the kitchen at the base of a dresser/ cabinet/ cupboard'.

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Can always rely on Lookout to provide good sources.
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Re: Did June make it to the phone
« Reply #64 on: July 20, 2021, 12:29:PM »
Of course you can ! The said information was told to JB on the night after the murders.