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Offline Roch

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Re: Det. Supt. 'Mick' Ainsley - oversight of corrupt practices
« Reply #300 on: June 11, 2021, 10:21:AM »
Keep spouting your venom but one thing is a fact if this conviction is overturned Osea Caravan Park will be in serious trouble. Any hint of relatives misleading the jury or tampering with evidence will have huge ramifications.

The press, writers and filmmakers will be fighting to tell the truth about who was responsible for putting an innocent person in prison for over 30 years

Jeremy would have more than enough money to fight any legal battles he needs to fight

The people who have lied will find there lives will never be the same

You mean the people who pilfered money from Nevill's wallet and rings from June etc. A law into themselves. RJ will doth his cap to them.

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« Reply #301 on: June 11, 2021, 10:31:AM »
You mean the people who pilfered money from Nevill's wallet and rings from June etc. A law into themselves. RJ will doth his cap to them.
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« Reply #302 on: June 11, 2021, 10:51:AM »
You mean the people who pilfered money from Nevill's wallet and rings from June etc. A law into themselves. RJ will doth his cap to them.

Exactly
Julie Mugford the main prosecution witness was guilty of numerous crimes, 13 separate cheque frauds, robbery, and drug dealing and also making a deal with a national newspaper before trial that if she could convince a jury her ex boyfriend was guilty of five murders she would receive £25,000

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Re: Det. Supt. 'Mick' Ainsley - oversight of corrupt practices
« Reply #303 on: June 11, 2021, 11:17:AM »
LOL....GET REAL.

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« Reply #304 on: June 11, 2021, 02:32:PM »
LOL....GET REAL.

Thanks Eskimo.  You're right and that's exactly what Adam said to me when giving me the 'hard word' as part of his moral support efforts.  I wish I'd listened before embarrassing myself again with the wet suit/windsurfing experiment.  How was I supposed to be know that foilboards don't work on roads?  Well, there you are.  Back to the drawing board!

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« Reply #305 on: June 12, 2021, 12:22:PM »
I suspect ngb is open to the likelihood that the three adult victims had fight and defence wounds.
Everyone can be open, it’s believing and I would say the same to NGB from the pictures I’ve seen they are not cuts and I certainly don’t for one minute think Vanezis would either miss these cuts or turn a blind eye to them.  If there exists these so called pictures, you or Bill haven’t seen them and they would be used in the latest submission as a main topic, ie proof that the autopsy wasn’t done properly.  Instead your using this make believe to hope and promote a case for Bamber and you don’t care who you trash.

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« Reply #306 on: July 19, 2021, 06:14:PM »
Oh right, he takes the piss that’s all.  He does it with Adam and he did it with Steve.

I dish out to Adam and Steve what they dish out to me and others.

Same with you.  When you first came back on here, you were bullying in your manner, using emoticons to ridicule my posts, so I hit back at you and gave you a taste of what you dish out.  You didn't like this, so you started complaining about it and accusing me of being 'personal', completely forgetting your own behaviour.

Bullies are always hypocrites.

I believe this guy over you and Bill, yes without a show of doubt

Professor Vanezis MB, ChB, DMJ(Path), MD, PhD, member of the Royal College of Pathologists and a Fellow of the college (FRCPath); member of the Royal College of Physicians and Surgeons of Glasgow and fellow (FRCP(Glasg.) and a Founding Fellow of the Faculty of Forensic Medicine of the Royal College of Physicians in (FFFLM)
He has been a practicing forensic pathologist since 1974, having conducted in excess of 2,000 suspicious death autopsies, of which approximately 1,500 were homicides, and has held a number of academic and service appointments up to the current day. He has also carried out autopsies abroad, at the request of the Foreign and Commonwealth Office and in his capacity as Honorary Civilian Consultant to the Armed Forces, as well as on behalf of the United Nations International Criminal Tribunal. He has also been the supervising pathologist in a number of multiple death incidents including The Charing Cross Road Fire and The Kathmandu (Thai Airways) air crash.
He became an Officer of the Order of the British Empire awarded in the Queen’s Birthday Honours List June 2001, for Forensic Pathology Services in Kosovo.
He is also a member of a number of examining boards in forensic medicine and has served from time to time on college and medical school committees as well as carrying out academic research. This includes facial identification, forensic pathology, especially in relation timing of injuries and projects involving the next of kin of deceased persons reported to the coroner. He also teaches regularly to both undergraduates and postgraduate students and co-ordinates a number of postgraduate courses. He has also published widely in forensic medicine in peer reviewed journals has edited two books and contributed to a number of other textbooks. He also continues to have a professional interest as a forensic medical expert into the investigation of the death of Diana, Princess of Wales.
Professor Vanezis has appeared in a number of television programmes in relation to his work. He also gives interviews to radio programmes.

All of this is duly noted, but none of it means his work in the case under discussion was correct.

I accept that arguments from authority are not always fallacious.  You can validly come on here and say, 'Such-and-such a man has expertise in this area and he says this-and-that and given his expertise and background, I am inclined to accept what he says'.

But I am not sure you can say that with complete confidence on this particular topic.  We have our own access to the evidence and we have eyes to see, and it remains the case that even great experts in a field can get things wrong, even make basic and fundamental errors sometimes.

Also, I have visited his website a few times and I note he has been careful to omit mention of the Bamber case from his CV - a surprising omission, given that it was a mass murder case.

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« Reply #307 on: July 19, 2021, 06:22:PM »
It's not just Sheila who has non-disclosed wounds. When PV carried out his post mortem of Sheila and the others, she (Sheila) was supposed to have been the perpetrator for the killings. I have no idea as to whether or not that fact could have coloured his thoroughness, while carrying out his duties. If it didn't and he has recorded the wounds somewhere (now lost or concealed), then obviously his testimony was dishonest. If he lacked thoroughness, then perhaps this lack of thoroughness later assisted EP and the prosecution in their aims. When his testimony helped wrongly convict the other lad, was he being dishonest then? Or was he just arrogant, or incompetent?

I'm going to be straight with you here - you are spouting utter shit regarding 'tried this before' etc. You haven't got a clue what you are talking about. Nothing has been 'tried'. It's just a simple fact that in order to prosecute Jeremy for the killings, there cannot be any evidence allowed of a fight between the three adult victims. It's very very simple.

I am happy to maintain, as you have commented about me above, that the photograph I saw of Sheila's right hand does appear to show wounds - though the usual caveats must apply, including that I am not a pathologist or forensic photographer.

I think one problem the defence have is that if you say Sheila suffered wounds that indicate a fight, you are then also saying that Nevill did not overcome her.  Remember that the blood evidence indicates that June was confined to the bed and the area immediately around the bed, so a fight between June and Sheila seems unlikely.  It would have to be Nevill.

One way out of that is to posit that June was not shot in bed after all and the bullet hole in the pillow was from a missed bullet.  But how do you explain the blood on June's side of the bed? 

Couldn't the prosecution argue that any wounds to Sheila were more probably suffered in a struggle with Jeremy?