Blood on Sheila´s Arm

[Roch]

I just cannot see why and how one of the police officers shot Sheila. Please explain, because it makes no sense at all to me!

These days it is called 'death by cops'.  One notable recent incident was that of Raoul Moat.  It is a stand-off situation whereby the police shoot an armed person.

[Roch]

I just cannot see why and how one of the police officers shot Sheila. Please explain, because it makes no sense at all to me!

These days it is called 'death by cops'.  One notable recent incident was that of Raoul Moat.  It is a stand-off situation whereby the police shoot an armed person.

   Or is it called suicide by cops?  Something like that.  There was also the case of that barrister in London who was hanging out of his window, while armed.  He was taken out by the police.

[Alias]

Thanks, Roch. I still don´t get it. It is a close contact wound in a peculiar angle (if another person shot her) which killed Sheila. If the police did that, it would have been an execution, not a shooting. I can´t see it.

[clifford]

I just cannot see why and how one of the police officers shot Sheila. Please explain, because it makes no sense at all to me!

Abs if Shiela did flee upstairs and was seen by EP she may have looked over the bannisters and was shot under the chin.EP then realised they had shot an unarmed woman.
They then needed to make it look like she had taken her own life. That is why they layed her on the bed.
Then moved her body to the floorTo appear she had committed suicide.
The cops had already made big mistakes.
AE was a breathe of fresh air to them. It took the heat off them.[please bear in mind this is only speculative].
The family then came to the rescue with there assertions that JB was the Killer.
This took the heat off the cops who had shot Shiela.
Why was Shiela laid upon a remnant of the carpet. Who placed this under her body, and why.
It is clear from the pics that the blood has been covered up, why.
The point has been made that Nevill was a rufty tufty farmer, did he really go to bed with a soft toy on his pillow, or is the soft toy hiding something.
Rant over.
Regards, Cliff.

[Alias]

Thanks Cliff and +1 for bothering to answer me.
I am still sceptical though. Wasn´t it a close-cantact wound? But none of us know what really heppened in that house that horrible night. It is all so odd and it doesn´t help that the police obviously moved things around without explanation and that all the evidence was destroyed!
About the teddy bear, June was in the bed too, could have been hers - or the boys had been in the bed at some point. I have my old teddy bear still! NOT in my bed though, I am too scared of him! Even too scared to ever have thrown him out. I was TERRIFIED of that bear when I was a kid! But THAT was a digression.... Sorry about that!

[chochokeira]

I just cannot see why and how one of the police officers shot Sheila. Please explain, because it makes no sense at all to me!

Abs if Shiela did flee upstairs and was seen by EP she may have looked over the bannisters and was shot under the chin.EP then realised they had shot an unarmed woman.
They then needed to make it look like she had taken her own life. That is why they layed her on the bed.
Then moved her body to the floorTo appear she had committed suicide.
The cops had already made big mistakes.
AE was a breathe of fresh air to them. It took the heat off them.[please bear in mind this is only speculative].
The family then came to the rescue with there assertions that JB was the Killer.
This took the heat off the cops who had shot Shiela.
Why was Shiela laid upon a remnant of the carpet. Who placed this under her body, and why.
It is clear from the pics that the blood has been covered up, why.
The point has been made that Nevill was a rufty tufty farmer, did he really go to bed with a soft toy on his pillow, or is the soft toy hiding something.
Rant over.
Regards, Cliff.

Good points, in particular regarding the soft toy, that has bothered me since I first saw this photo+1

[Jerry]

Mike is spot on about Sheila being moved.  The question is how far was she moved?

From the communication reports it is clear that Sheila was along with Nevill found dead in the kitchen. When someone is found DEAD they are generally beyond the act of moving let alone creeping upstairs for a last stand.

There can be only one explanation and that is that police moved Sheila's body upstairs to the bed in June's room for some as yet undetermined reason and then moved her again to the floor where additional pictures were taken...or should that be fabricated?

Was the carpet remnant actually used to transport her remains from the kitchen to the bedroom?

I will repeat this for the sake of completeness. If police had shot Sheila she would have had chest wounds.

[clifford]

Mike is spot on about Sheila being moved.  The question is how far was she moved?

From the communication reports it is clear that Sheila was along with Nevill found dead in the kitchen. When someone is found DEAD they are generally beyond the act of moving let alone creeping upstairs for a last stand.

There can be only one explanation and that is that police moved Sheila's body upstairs to the bed in June's room for some as yet undetermined reason and then moved her again to the floor where additional pictures were taken...or should that be fabricated?

Was the carpet remnant actually used to transport her remains from the kitchen to the bedroom?

I will repeat this for the sake of completeness. If police had shot Sheila she would have had chest wounds.

Jerry why would Shiela have chest wounds. One shot from downstairs under the chin would have done the job.

[Jerry]

Mike is spot on about Sheila being moved.  The question is how far was she moved?

From the communication reports it is clear that Sheila was along with Nevill found dead in the kitchen. When someone is found DEAD they are generally beyond the act of moving let alone creeping upstairs for a last stand.

There can be only one explanation and that is that police moved Sheila's body upstairs to the bed in June's room for some as yet undetermined reason and then moved her again to the floor where additional pictures were taken...or should that be fabricated?

Was the carpet remnant actually used to transport her remains from the kitchen to the bedroom?

I will repeat this for the sake of completeness. If police had shot Sheila she would have had chest wounds.

Jerry why would Shiela have chest wounds. One shot from downstairs under the chin would have done the job.

That would have to have been a very lucky shot and one a TFG officer would not have taken.  The TFG are trained to target the upper torso since this presents the greatest target area.  In any event, the wounds and abrasions on Sheila's neck are consistent with having been shot at very close range.

I also remind you that the GPO operator and then the Police Control Room operator had an open line to the kitchen and all that was heard was the dog barking followed by the police entry to the premises.  The line was closed down following the discovery of all 5 bodies.

[ngb1066]

Mike is spot on about Sheila being moved.  The question is how far was she moved?

From the communication reports it is clear that Sheila was along with Nevill found dead in the kitchen. When someone is found DEAD they are generally beyond the act of moving let alone creeping upstairs for a last stand.

There can be only one explanation and that is that police moved Sheila's body upstairs to the bed in June's room for some as yet undetermined reason and then moved her again to the floor where additional pictures were taken...or should that be fabricated?

Was the carpet remnant actually used to transport her remains from the kitchen to the bedroom?

I will repeat this for the sake of completeness. If police had shot Sheila she would have had chest wounds.

Jerry why would Shiela have chest wounds. One shot from downstairs under the chin would have done the job.

That would have to have been a very lucky shot and one a TFG officer would not have taken.  The TFG are trained to target the upper torso since this presents the greatest target area.  In any event, the wounds and abrasions on Sheila's neck are consistent with having been shot at very close range.

Much as I find it unusual to find myself in agreement with "Jerry", I have to say that both of his points here are good ones and I have to agree with them.

 

[clifford]

Thanks Cliff and +1 for bothering to answer me.
I am still sceptical though. Wasn´t it a close-cantact wound? But none of us know what really heppened in that house that horrible night. It is all so odd and it doesn´t help that the police obviously moved things around without explanation and that all the evidence was destroyed!
About the teddy bear, June was in the bed too, could have been hers - or the boys had been in the bed at some point. I have my old teddy bear still! NOT in my bed though, I am too scared of him! Even too scared to ever have thrown him out. I was TERRIFIED of that bear when I was a kid! But THAT was a digression.... Sorry about that!

How do we know this was a close contact wound. I pm,ed Andrea earlier this week to explain my thinking.
I will now divulge. When I was in N Ireland a friend of mine was shot in the side, and the bullet lodged against his spine.
I run across the road, and an officer had raised his shirt. The entry wound had like a halo around it, apparently this is common because the bullet causes trauma to the surrounding tissue, not unlike the marks under Shiela,s chin.

[Alias]

OK, I have a question to those who think that the police shot Sheila. Do you think that she had shot herself once and recaived the second shot from a police officer. Or do you think that she was shot twice by police?

[clifford]

Mike is spot on about Sheila being moved.  The question is how far was she moved?

From the communication reports it is clear that Sheila was along with Nevill found dead in the kitchen. When someone is found DEAD they are generally beyond the act of moving let alone creeping upstairs for a last stand.

There can be only one explanation and that is that police moved Sheila's body upstairs to the bed in June's room for some as yet undetermined reason and then moved her again to the floor where additional pictures were taken...or should that be fabricated?

Was the carpet remnant actually used to transport her remains from the kitchen to the bedroom?

I will repeat this for the sake of completeness. If police had shot Sheila she would have had chest wounds.

Jerry why would Shiela have chest wounds. One shot from downstairs under the chin would have done the job.

That would have to have been a very lucky shot and one a TFG officer would not have taken.  The TFG are trained to target the upper torso since this presents the greatest target area.  In any event, the wounds and abrasions on Sheila's neck are consistent with having been shot at very close range.

I also remind you that the GPO operator and then the Police Control Room operator had an open line to the kitchen and all that was heard was the dog barking followed by the police entry to the premises.  The line was closed down following the discovery of all 5 bodies.

We are all trained to go for the torso, but this is a one shot situation. ie aim up and shoot, the head being the biggest target, because Sheila was at the top of the stairs.

[clifford]

OK, I have a question to those who think that the police shot Sheila. Do you think that she had shot herself once and recaived the second shot from a police officer. Or do you think that she was shot twice by police?

First shot Sheila, second shot police. Hence the cover up.

[Alias]

OK, I have a question to those who think that the police shot Sheila. Do you think that she had shot herself once and recaived the second shot from a police officer. Or do you think that she was shot twice by police?

First shot Sheila, second shot police. Hence the cover up.

I think that it is too much of a coincidence that Sheila shoots herself in the neck - and then the police happen to shoot her right beside the wound she inflicted on herself.