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« Reply #1365 on: January 16, 2020, 09:50:PM »
Nah. I just internally shake my head at people who say he's guilty  :))
You must be at it all day then Roch 🙈🙈🙈. Only joking mate 👍

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« Reply #1366 on: January 16, 2020, 09:54:PM »
Nah. I just internally shake my head at people who say he's guilty  :))

That must be some headache  ;D ;D ;D ;D
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« Reply #1367 on: January 16, 2020, 10:00:PM »
   It has certainly raised interest, Roch. Whitehouse Farm was trending on Twitter for a time last night and I think it has raised the profile of the case to many who were completely unaware of it. In these days of internet and social media it is easy to access lots of info quickly and this case particularly has a lot of information and discussion to delve deeper. We'll see but possibly there will be increased awareness of a possible miscarriage of justice amongst those younger than most of us on here.   
Let's hope the Forum gets some new members genuinely interested in the case.

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« Reply #1368 on: January 16, 2020, 10:02:PM »
So where would Fielder get it from? Colin didn't tell the police, he saw the article a few days after seeing Jeremy and saw that he had used the same words to him.

Well if that is an accurate account of what happened, then it's likely that he did say it.

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« Reply #1369 on: January 16, 2020, 10:07:PM »
Well if that is an accurate account of what happened, then it's likely that he did say it.

Thanks - you're the first innocent supporter to ever admit that.
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« Reply #1370 on: January 16, 2020, 10:08:PM »
You see the Jeremy supporters do themselves no favours by denying even the smallest details of the case. Why would Michael Fielder risk what was probably a six-figure income by lying about one of a thousand assignments he covered in the 1980s?

Why would Muggy risk her teaching career and freedom for a cheque fraud
Julie Mugford the main prosecution witness was guilty of numerous crimes, 13 separate cheque frauds, robbery, and drug dealing and also making a deal with a national newspaper before trial that if she could convince a jury her ex boyfriend was guilty of five murders she would receive £25,000

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« Reply #1371 on: January 16, 2020, 10:10:PM »

Or

 For Jeremy Bamber, media intrusion continued and a tabloid journalist invited Jeremy to tell his story to the paper. Brett Collins had advised Jeremy to go along to meet with the journalist who was offering money. After a long period of being ‘guilty’ in the news even though no charges had been brought, Jeremy wanted to tell his story. He was angry and had every right to be, Sheila Caffell had murdered his family. He was a victim and like all victims of murder felt anger and desolation, but the feelings were complex as Sheila was his sister who he had grown up with and loved his whole life. The reporter continually asked Jeremy for any pornographic photographs of Sheila, which he believed existed, and Jeremy told him there were some topless ones but these were taken casually in the garden and in the possession of Colin Caffell".

Conclusions from this:

The meeting certainly happened.

There were certainly topless photos of Sheila.

The newspaper never saw the pictures, as confirmed by Fielding.

Brett Collins encouraged Bamber to engage. Fielding saying Brett rang them.

Bamber wanted to tell his own story for money. But did not. Apparently pestered for the photos by Fielding, who was just interested in these.
"They show everything down to the last detail."

Now leaving aside the meeting at the Nag's Head in Chelmsford, isn't it strange that nobody has castigated Colin for taking these photographs in the first place? He was and remains an artist, the nude form holding a fascination for him as in Botticelli's Birth of Venus, not the smutty, vulgar Jeremy Bamber who made similar remarks to Colin about Julie at his parents' funeral.
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« Reply #1372 on: January 16, 2020, 10:13:PM »
"They show everything down to the last detail."

Now leaving aside the meeting at the Nag's Head in Chelmsford, isn't it strange that nobody has castigated Colin for taking these photographs in the first place? He was and remains an artist, the nude form holding a fascination for him as in Botticelli's Birth of Venus, not the smutty, vulgar Jeremy Bamber who made similar remarks to Colin about Julie at his parents' funeral.

He wasn't talking about the pictures Colin took Steve.
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« Reply #1373 on: January 16, 2020, 10:13:PM »
Thanks - you're the first innocent supporter to ever admit that.

I've always expressed that I suspect aspects of his character helped to get him convicted. 

If the police thought they were fitting-up an arrogant, bisexual drug dealer and fraudster, who attempted to sell racy photos of his dead sister, then it was probably easier for them to quell any pangs of conscience.

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« Reply #1374 on: January 16, 2020, 10:14:PM »
Why would Muggy risk her teaching career and freedom for a cheque fraud
It was a spur of the moment decision. The Jeremy supporters would have more credibility if they accepted the nude photographs selling attempt but stated it didn't have a bearing on his innocence or guilt of the crimes, instead of panicking and attempting to brush every single negative detail about the man under the carpet.

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« Reply #1375 on: January 16, 2020, 10:14:PM »
Why would Muggy risk her teaching career and freedom for a cheque fraud
unlike fielder julie might have been hard up for cash,horses for courses

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« Reply #1376 on: January 16, 2020, 10:18:PM »
I agree, there is no doubt that he tried to sell the pictures.


As you believe this you obviously bought this up many times in your numerous letters to Jeremy????  And his response and your reason to keep writing to him ??
Julie Mugford the main prosecution witness was guilty of numerous crimes, 13 separate cheque frauds, robbery, and drug dealing and also making a deal with a national newspaper before trial that if she could convince a jury her ex boyfriend was guilty of five murders she would receive £25,000

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« Reply #1377 on: January 16, 2020, 10:19:PM »
He wasn't talking about the pictures Colin took Steve.
No I know they were the ones a photographer took in a neighbour's back garden in London. Colin's photographs remained in the possession of June in the bureau at White House Farm, as a weapon to be used against her daughter should she at any time stray from the course her mother had mapped out for her.
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« Reply #1378 on: January 16, 2020, 10:20:PM »

As you believe this you obviously bought this up many times in your numerous letters to Jeremy????  And his response and your reason to keep writing to him ??
jealousy will get you no where :))

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« Reply #1379 on: January 16, 2020, 10:23:PM »

Or

 For Jeremy Bamber, media intrusion continued and a tabloid journalist invited Jeremy to tell his story to the paper. Brett Collins had advised Jeremy to go along to meet with the journalist who was offering money. After a long period of being ‘guilty’ in the news even though no charges had been brought, Jeremy wanted to tell his story. He was angry and had every right to be, Sheila Caffell had murdered his family. He was a victim and like all victims of murder felt anger and desolation, but the feelings were complex as Sheila was his sister who he had grown up with and loved his whole life. The reporter continually asked Jeremy for any pornographic photographs of Sheila, which he believed existed, and Jeremy told him there were some topless ones but these were taken casually in the garden and in the possession of Colin Caffell".

Conclusions from this:

The meeting certainly happened.

There were certainly topless photos of Sheila.

The newspaper never saw the pictures, as confirmed by Fielding.

Brett Collins encouraged Bamber to engage. Fielding saying Brett rang them.

Bamber wanted to tell his own story for money. But did not. Apparently pestered for the photos by Fielding, who was just interested in these.

That sounds more likely to be the truth.  Devious people trying to stitch a young man up
Julie Mugford the main prosecution witness was guilty of numerous crimes, 13 separate cheque frauds, robbery, and drug dealing and also making a deal with a national newspaper before trial that if she could convince a jury her ex boyfriend was guilty of five murders she would receive £25,000