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Offline JackieD

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Re: The ITV Drama
« Reply #1395 on: January 16, 2020, 10:45:PM »
Yes I most certainly DID ask him, he didn't answer that particular question, he avoided it. My reason for keep writing was because I thought he was innocent at that point and wanted to clear the issue up - he didn't answer - which means he didn't deny it!

I don’t believe you because I would have kept asking him.  It was clearly no big deal to you at the time.  So you obviously posted on here at the time he wouldn’t answer the question

Maybe you would like to repost what you had written before
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Julie Mugford the main prosecution witness was guilty of numerous crimes, 13 separate cheque frauds, robbery, and drug dealing and also making a deal with a national newspaper before trial that if she could convince a jury her ex boyfriend was guilty of five murders she would receive £25,000

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« Reply #1396 on: January 16, 2020, 10:46:PM »
I might be willing to accept that if you admit that if Julie had known Jeremy was responsible for the murders she would never have gone near the mortuary
I can't explain Julie's behaviour, except that she may have felt in her own mind it was better to stick with him, just as millions of Germans during the war inexplicably stuck with Adolf Hitler whilst their country went to rack and ruin.

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« Reply #1397 on: January 16, 2020, 10:47:PM »




Weren't the pics around when JB was arrested ? If so, anyone, even the police themselves could have opened their mouths. Sleaze sells !

Opened their mouths to who? Jeremy told Colin BEFORE it was in the paper and he sued the same words to describe then as he did to Fielder.
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« Reply #1398 on: January 16, 2020, 10:47:PM »
He's bathing in it compared to you. Bamber tried to sell explicit pictures of his dead sister - FACT - get used to it!

But you have failed to provide any proof again so unfortunately it’s not a fact
Julie Mugford the main prosecution witness was guilty of numerous crimes, 13 separate cheque frauds, robbery, and drug dealing and also making a deal with a national newspaper before trial that if she could convince a jury her ex boyfriend was guilty of five murders she would receive £25,000

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« Reply #1399 on: January 16, 2020, 10:48:PM »
But you have failed to provide any proof again so unfortunately it’s not a fact

It's a fact!
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« Reply #1400 on: January 16, 2020, 10:49:PM »
It's a fact!

The problem is, you don't know what a fact is.
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« Reply #1401 on: January 16, 2020, 10:49:PM »
I can't explain Julie's behaviour, except that she may have felt in her own mind it was better to stick with him, just as millions of Germans during the war inexplicably stuck with Adolf Hitler whilst their country went to rack and ruin.

But your accepting what she said is true when you know for a fact she’s a liar
Julie Mugford the main prosecution witness was guilty of numerous crimes, 13 separate cheque frauds, robbery, and drug dealing and also making a deal with a national newspaper before trial that if she could convince a jury her ex boyfriend was guilty of five murders she would receive £25,000

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« Reply #1402 on: January 16, 2020, 10:51:PM »
But your accepting what she said is true when you know for a fact she’s a liar
steady ,theres quite a few porkies been told by yourself :)

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« Reply #1403 on: January 16, 2020, 10:52:PM »
But your accepting what she said is true when you know for a fact she’s a liar
I'm not excusing Julie's behaviour at all. She told Colin that she still loved him, even though she had been threatened that she would be regarded as an accessory if ever she went to the police.

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« Reply #1404 on: January 16, 2020, 10:54:PM »
It's a fact!


It’s not a fact

I look forward to seeing your post when Jeremy refused to answer your question on the nude photos

It must have been a grave concern for you so you must have posted about it
Julie Mugford the main prosecution witness was guilty of numerous crimes, 13 separate cheque frauds, robbery, and drug dealing and also making a deal with a national newspaper before trial that if she could convince a jury her ex boyfriend was guilty of five murders she would receive £25,000

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« Reply #1405 on: January 16, 2020, 10:55:PM »
I'm not excusing Julie's behaviour at all. She told Colin that she still loved him, even though she had been threatened that she would be regarded as an accessory if ever she went to the police.

You have no idea when Julie is telling the truth or telling lies do you?
Julie Mugford the main prosecution witness was guilty of numerous crimes, 13 separate cheque frauds, robbery, and drug dealing and also making a deal with a national newspaper before trial that if she could convince a jury her ex boyfriend was guilty of five murders she would receive £25,000

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« Reply #1406 on: January 16, 2020, 10:58:PM »
You have no idea when Julie is telling the truth or telling lies do you?
I know Julie's statements from the September onwards were largely a full and complete account of her relationship with Jeremy Bamber for an almost two-year period.

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« Reply #1407 on: January 16, 2020, 11:00:PM »
By the way, have the Jeremy supporters read Mike's post from several days ago yet..


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Re: Home Office have a recording of significant Bambers Comments made to me...
« Reply #10 on: January 02, 2020, 09:41:AM »

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Quote from: mike tesko on January 02, 2020, 09:38:AM
He had a grin on his face and big unblinking eyes when I told him that his sisters accomplice, was none other than himself..


The remark he made following my disclosure appeared to me, to be very telling indeed - he said to me 'YOU FUCKING CLEVER BASTARD', and he continued to grin...

I sensed that he was acknowledging the simple truth of the matter.

His sister had not acted alone, she had an accomplice, and in my mind I was sure that he was that accomplice.

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« Reply #1408 on: January 16, 2020, 11:09:PM »
Why did he lie about other cases , serious cases , he was a chancer and scum reporter.

The press lie all the time for sensation and hope they get away with it . Why would a paper print those pictures of sheila ? Sexing up the murder of children ?

I think you know the answer really .
    There is whole thread about Fielder and his dishonesty. He lied for money as shown in this thread:http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,6754.0.html.

   As briefly as possible:
   Whether you believe that Bamber attempted to sell nude pictures or not, the whole allegation rests on whether you believe Fielder. To say that Fielder is not a reliable witness understates his lack of credibility by magnitudes.
   First of all he plied his trade in that most disreputable of rags, The Sun, whose stock in trade is lying and smearing. A sleazy story in the Sun shouldn't really be considered as evidence of anything by anyone with even an ounce of sense but despite this, those who believe in Bamber's guilt hold as an article of faith that this story is true.
    The position of those who believe Fielder was that he himself had never been shown to lie and it was unfair to tar him by association. It was further posited that he had offered to testify in the trial(eventually not used as a witness) and this further supported the view that he was telling the truth. Why? it was asked, would he risk perjuring himself?
   It seems scarcely credible anyway that Bamber would meet with a reporter of the Sun, a paper that had been printing negative stories about him all week and present to them the best negative story they could imagine. Attempting to sell nude pictures of your dead sister to a newspaper that have been smearing you all week would be "too good to be true" for a reporter in Fielder's position. Wouldn't it? And yet we are to believe that this is exactly what happened.
   We then discover that Fielder had in fact previously lied. Not only had he lied, he had then gone on to commit perjury. Other newspapers were also sued but the judge singled out Fielder and the Sun as the most egregious offenders. The headline was the "Tart of Gib" where the Sun accused Carmen Proetta of being an anti British, escort agency owning former prostitute in order to discredit her testimony against British SAS members. All accusations were shown to be lies.
   You would imagine that at this point even the most staunch believer must be beginning to have some doubts about the credibility of the only witness to this alleged event. Instead we are now supposed to believe that just because he lied and perjured once doesn't mean he is now.
   Some may have already noted that this is something of a climb down from the original position
 1) Working for a lying disreputable rag doesn't prove Fielder personally to be a liar and anyway he was willing to testify. Why would he commit perjury?   
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 2) Working for a lying disreputable rag and lying and perjuring personally in the Carmen Proetta case doesn't mean he's lying and willing to perjure himself this time as well even though the circumstances appear too good to be true.
   At this point a new witness is introduced to back up the now utterly destroyed original only witness. We are told that by some tenuous stretch that Colin Caffell can and does back up Fielder's version of events.
   Spoiler Alert: He can't and he doesn't.
   It is claimed that Bamber used the same words to describe the photos to Colin as Fielder used in the article. Reading Colin's statements from the time though it is clear that this is in fact not true.
   Back to Fielder however and his credibility problem. After displaying his true character in the "Tart of Gib" hack job he went on to cement his reputation as a smearer for power by lying about Colin Stagg, who was being wrongly accused of the Rachel Nickell murder. Also worth noting is that even those who believe Fielder agree that the Bamber article went on to make further claims of pornographic pictures involving dildos, amongst other claims, that are known to be false.
    So where we are now is that we know of three articles that have been written by Fielder.
    Two of them we know to be entirely fabricated (Proetta and Stagg)
    The third we know to be largely fabricated and the only issue is whether a specific nine words are true.
    So, of the hundreds of words we know to have been written by Fielder, we know for certain that all but nine are lies. Those nine may or may not be true, but our only evidence of their truth is the word of the person who wrote the hundreds that we know to be lies. Believe Fielder if you like, but know who he is.

     Finally, there is a principle in law, Falsus in uno, falsus in omnibus. A witness who lies about one matter is not credible to testify in any matter. Fielder has lied about not one matter but every matter that we are aware of, therefore he is not credible.
    Is there even an example of him reporting the truth?

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Re: The ITV Drama
« Reply #1409 on: January 16, 2020, 11:12:PM »
Jeremy Bamber and Brett Collins admit to the attempt at selling the photographs. I hold no candle for Michael Fielder but I hope that the impartial observer and particularly any potential new members are not deceived by these smoke and mirror tactics.