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JEREMY BAMBER CASE => Jeremy Bamber Case Discussion => Topic started by: nugnug on May 25, 2016, 01:50:PM

Title: before dna what did blood evdence prove.
Post by: nugnug on May 25, 2016, 01:50:PM
thing i think we have to before dna evdence what could be gained from the blood evdence.
Title: Re: before dna what did blood evdence prove.
Post by: Adam on May 25, 2016, 02:12:PM
If Bamber's blood was found at the scene it would have been game over. However he was padded up and not injured.

June's blood being on the pillow highlights she was shot while sleeping. So shot first by Bamber, allowing Neville to move slightly before his shots.

Sheila's blood being underneath the bible shows the bible was put there by Bamber after she died.
Title: Re: before dna what did blood evdence prove.
Post by: nugnug on May 25, 2016, 02:14:PM
but before dna you couldent of proved for fact it was his blood.
Title: Re: before dna what did blood evdence prove.
Post by: Adam on May 25, 2016, 02:16:PM
Human blood in the silencer shows it was used on the massacre night.

Sheila's blood in the silencer shows Bamber was the killer.
Title: Re: before dna what did blood evdence prove.
Post by: nugnug on May 25, 2016, 02:19:PM
before dna they could not say whose blood was silencer all they could say was whose wasnt in there.
Title: Re: before dna what did blood evdence prove.
Post by: lookout on May 25, 2016, 02:21:PM
It also showed a match to RWB's blood,as it proves nothing but the grouping and not DNA.
Title: Re: before dna what did blood evdence prove.
Post by: nugnug on May 25, 2016, 02:25:PM
exactly all they was blood groups that means they could exclude people as the source of the blood they couldent say for a fact it was them.
Title: Re: before dna what did blood evdence prove.
Post by: Adam on May 25, 2016, 02:29:PM
Human blood and the aga paint in the silencer shows it was used on the massacre night.

Everyone at trial agreed with the experts it was Sheila's blood inside the silencer. Meaning Bamber was the killer.

Bamber tried to challenge it being Sheila's blood ten years later. But was unsuccessful.
Title: Re: before dna what did blood evdence prove.
Post by: lookout on May 25, 2016, 02:33:PM
 What about RWB's being the SAME match ?

Couldn't it also be said that it was his blood which was found on the silencer ?
Title: Re: before dna what did blood evdence prove.
Post by: nugnug on May 25, 2016, 02:37:PM
or you rwbs blood was the same match lookout.
Title: Re: before dna what did blood evdence prove.
Post by: lookout on May 25, 2016, 02:41:PM
He had the same match as Sheila,nugs. It's somewhere on the forum.
Title: Re: before dna what did blood evdence prove.
Post by: nugnug on May 25, 2016, 02:42:PM
i take you means hes the same blood group
Title: Re: before dna what did blood evdence prove.
Post by: nugnug on May 25, 2016, 03:02:PM
Human blood and the aga paint in the silencer shows it was used on the massacre night.

Everyone at trial agreed with the experts it was Sheila's blood inside the silencer. Meaning Bamber was the killer.

Bamber tried to challenge it being Sheila's blood ten years later. But was unsuccessful.

the jury were being seriously misled if they were told that.
Title: Re: before dna what did blood evdence prove.
Post by: lookout on May 25, 2016, 03:17:PM
i take you means hes the same blood group




Yes,the same blood group as each other. How " Sheila's blood " on the silencer indicated JB's guilt,I don't know------even if it had been used. I reckon that Sheila had perhaps handled it which would account for her blood being on it. That would be my logical way of thinking anyway.
Title: Re: before dna what did blood evdence prove.
Post by: sami on May 25, 2016, 03:21:PM
sheila's fingertips had blood on them but none was found on the rifle
Title: Re: before dna what did blood evdence prove.
Post by: lookout on May 25, 2016, 03:31:PM
 I thought her hands were supposed to have been clean ?

However,blood can be washed off ?
Title: Re: before dna what did blood evdence prove.
Post by: sami on May 25, 2016, 03:33:PM
washed off by who
Title: Re: before dna what did blood evdence prove.
Post by: lookout on May 25, 2016, 03:43:PM
Herself,before she ate what had been left in her stomach. She must have handled a lot of blood prior to her washing it off.
Title: Re: before dna what did blood evdence prove.
Post by: sami on May 25, 2016, 03:53:PM
but theres the photos of her lying in the bedroom with blood on her fingers and blooded finger marks on her nightie
Title: Re: before dna what did blood evdence prove.
Post by: Caroline on May 25, 2016, 06:42:PM
Herself,before she ate what had been left in her stomach. She must have handled a lot of blood prior to her washing it off.

This is again incorrect, she has partially DIGESTED food in her stomach.
Title: Re: before dna what did blood evdence prove.
Post by: lookout on May 25, 2016, 07:30:PM
This is again incorrect, she has partially DIGESTED food in her stomach.




That's even worse.
Title: Re: before dna what did blood evdence prove.
Post by: nugnug on May 25, 2016, 07:30:PM
stomache contesnts evdence has been decredited a long time ago so it doesnt really matter ethre way.
Title: Re: before dna what did blood evdence prove.
Post by: sami on May 25, 2016, 07:34:PM



That's even worse.
why ,they all did
Title: Re: before dna what did blood evdence prove.
Post by: Caroline on May 25, 2016, 08:08:PM



That's even worse.

Care to explain why it's worse when they ALL have partially digested food in their stomach?
Title: Re: before dna what did blood evdence prove.
Post by: lookout on May 25, 2016, 08:18:PM
Care to explain why it's worse when they ALL have partially digested food in their stomach?




Only Sheila had food in her stomach.I DIDN'T say ALL.
Title: Re: before dna what did blood evdence prove.
Post by: Caroline on May 25, 2016, 08:22:PM



Only Sheila had food in her stomach.I DIDN'T say ALL.

No Venezis did! They did ALL have partially digested food in their stomach!!
Title: Re: before dna what did blood evdence prove.
Post by: lookout on May 25, 2016, 08:33:PM
No Venezis did! They did ALL have partially digested food in their stomach!!




That's not how I read it !
Title: Re: before dna what did blood evdence prove.
Post by: sami on May 25, 2016, 08:35:PM



That's not how I read it !
can you show us where youve been reading it
Title: Re: before dna what did blood evdence prove.
Post by: guest2181 on May 25, 2016, 08:37:PM



That's not how I read it !

Absence of information isn't evidence of absence.

It's a common, but incorrect interpretation. Vanezis has confirmed that all victims stomachs contained partially digested food.
Title: Re: before dna what did blood evdence prove.
Post by: lookout on May 25, 2016, 08:40:PM
 He spoke of only Sheila having had food in her stomach-------where does it say they all did ?
Title: Re: before dna what did blood evdence prove.
Post by: guest2181 on May 25, 2016, 08:44:PM
He spoke of only Sheila having had food in her stomach-------where does it say they all did ?

Vanezis confirmed it, you can read it in CAL's book.
Title: Re: before dna what did blood evdence prove.
Post by: Caroline on May 25, 2016, 08:45:PM



That's not how I read it !

No, you didn't even see that the food was PARTIALLY digested either so keep harping on about mid night snacks, when they is nothing to suggest that ever happened.
Title: Re: before dna what did blood evdence prove.
Post by: lookout on May 25, 2016, 08:51:PM
No, you didn't even see that the food was PARTIALLY digested either so keep harping on about mid night snacks, when they is nothing to suggest that ever happened.





If supper time was finished before JB left for home,1am would have been time enough for food to have finished the digestive process. Nothing in anyone's stomach.
Title: Re: before dna what did blood evdence prove.
Post by: guest2181 on May 25, 2016, 08:54:PM




If supper time was finished before JB left for home,1am would have been time enough for food to have finished the digestive process. Nothing in anyone's stomach.

Has he told you that he left the house at 1am?
Title: Re: before dna what did blood evdence prove.
Post by: sami on May 25, 2016, 08:55:PM




If supper time was finished before JB left for home,1am would have been time enough for food to have finished the digestive process. Nothing in anyone's stomach.
so you know better than vanezis
Title: Re: before dna what did blood evdence prove.
Post by: Caroline on May 25, 2016, 08:57:PM




If supper time was finished before JB left for home,1am would have been time enough for food to have finished the digestive process. Nothing in anyone's stomach.

Lookout I think Venezis should know, pardon me if I take his word and not yours. No one knows what time they died but perhaps the fact that they ALL had partially digested food in their stomachs  is a clue and not one that supports innocence.
Title: Re: before dna what did blood evdence prove.
Post by: guest2181 on May 25, 2016, 09:00:PM
Well this is getting a bit silly again.  ::)

I haven't taken one of my TWO goldfish for a walk yet, must dash.  :P
Title: Re: before dna what did blood evdence prove.
Post by: sami on May 25, 2016, 09:03:PM
Well this is getting a bit silly again.  ::)

I haven't taken one of my TWO goldfish for a walk yet, must dash.  :P
witty top marks hartley thats the best laugh ive had all evening :)) :)) :)) :)) :))
Title: Re: before dna what did blood evdence prove.
Post by: Jane on May 25, 2016, 09:04:PM
Well this is getting a bit silly again.  ::)

I haven't taken one of my TWO goldfish for a walk yet, must dash.  :P


I hope you've got them on a lead, H. ;)
Title: Re: before dna what did blood evdence prove.
Post by: sami on May 25, 2016, 09:07:PM
she has not come back from that ride yet maybe the horse kicked her or bit her or just refused to take her home.clever horse ;) :))
Title: Re: before dna what did blood evdence prove.
Post by: nugnug on June 01, 2016, 05:04:PM
i think ill bump my own thread back to the top agian just anoy adam
Title: Re: before dna what did blood evdence prove.
Post by: Adam on June 01, 2016, 05:26:PM
The lack of blood on Sheila shows she did not commit the massacre.

It also shows she did not wake while the massacre was going on. As her hands and feet had none on June's blood on them.
Title: Re: before dna what did blood evdence prove.
Post by: nugnug on June 01, 2016, 05:53:PM
he ha it worked.
Title: Re: before dna what did blood evdence prove.
Post by: nugnug on June 01, 2016, 05:56:PM
The lack of blood on Sheila shows she did not commit the massacre.

It also shows she did not wake while the massacre was going on. As her hands and feet had none on June's blood on them.

are so your fornisic expert is there no end to your talents.
Title: Re: before dna what did blood evdence prove.
Post by: gringo on June 01, 2016, 06:15:PM
are so your fornisic expert is there no end to your talents.
  Or beginning
Title: Re: before dna what did blood evdence prove.
Post by: Alias on June 05, 2016, 04:15:AM
Always a little room for bullying around here. Nothing has changed, I see. Miss you all though, strangely.
Title: Re: before dna what did blood evdence prove.
Post by: JackiePreece on June 05, 2016, 08:18:AM
Always a little room for bullying around here. Nothing has changed, I see. Miss you all though, strangely.

And we all miss you please come back Alias.  I especially miss you xx

Title: Re: before dna what did blood evdence prove.
Post by: lookout on June 05, 2016, 10:05:AM
Always a little room for bullying around here. Nothing has changed, I see. Miss you all though, strangely.





So you've noticed ?  ;D ;D ;D ;D Good to see you Alas.I hope you're keeping well.x
Title: Re: before dna what did blood evdence prove.
Post by: susan on June 05, 2016, 03:02:PM
Always a little room for bullying around here. Nothing has changed, I see. Miss you all though, strangely.

Alias I miss you too please come back
xxx
Title: Re: before dna what did blood evdence prove.
Post by: maggie on June 05, 2016, 03:34:PM
Alias I miss you too please come back
xxx
:) :) :) :-*