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JEREMY BAMBER CASE => Jeremy Bamber Case Discussion => Topic started by: Adam on October 04, 2014, 10:31:AM
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Jeremy could have phoned any of the nearby relatives at 3am. Or BW, or the Folkes's who lived at WHF. Or any of the other farm workers. They could have met him on site.
He had a good relationship with all of them at the time. The relatives later coming to the conclusion Sheila was not capable of committing the massacre.
Instead he phoned Julie. Simply saying 'Everything is going well. There is something wrong at the farm. I haven't slept all night. Love you lots'. Julie in Lewisham was harmless. But she needed to be with him and kept an eye on. Soon.
When asked why he didn't phone anyone else he simply said 'It did not occur to him'.
The real reason is they could refute what he was saying to the police at WHF. Those hours with the police were vital. He had to create a siege situation, insinuate Sheila and deflect attention from himself. That would be hard if AE or RB were saying Sheila had trouble putting sugar in coffee. Or the police were spending time speaking to other people.
The relatives had to be seen. Later. Julie had to whisked over to WHF. Later. But from 3.48am - 9am Jeremy needed the police's undivided attention.
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And I believe him when he said that " it didn't occur to him " to have phoned others.
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The real reason is they could refute what he was saying to the police at WHF. Those hours with the police were vital. He had to create a siege situation, insinuate Sheila and deflect attention from himself. That would be hard if AE or RB were saying Sheila had trouble putting sugar in coffee. Or the police were spending time speaking to other people.
The relatives had to be seen. Later. Julie had to whisked over to WHF. Later. But from 3.48am - 9am Jeremy needed the police's undivided attention.
That's a good point actually, Adam.
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That's a good point actually, Adam.
Thanks.
Julie needed to be with him as soon as possible. She was the only one who knew about his rants.
This explains him using his one 10p to make the 5am phone call to her. And a police car picking her up. He needed to be with her while she spoke to the police.
The relatives were not so important, but he would have to meet, greet and cry to them later that day.
From 3.48am - 9am, Jeremy needed to be the focus of attention.
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That's a good point actually, Adam.
I agree, I suppose if it were me, I'd have called someone living in the farm cottages to go check it out and see if things looked OK?
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I agree, I suppose if it were me, I'd have called someone living in the farm cottages to go check it out and see if things looked OK?
Well he didn't,so that's that. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Well he didn't,so that's that. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
No he didn't and that's the point! ;)
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Hahahahaha ;D ;D ;D ;D>>>>>>getting hysterics.
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Jeremy could have phoned any of the nearby relatives at 3am. Or BW, or the Folkes's who lived at WHF. Or any of the other farm workers. They could have met him on site.
He had a good relationship with all of them at the time. The relatives later coming to the conclusion Sheila was not capable of committing the massacre.
Instead he phoned Julie. Simply saying 'Everything is going well. There is something wrong at the farm. I haven't slept all night. Love you lots'. Julie in Lewisham was harmless. But she needed to be with him and kept an eye on. Soon.
So why did he not tell the police she had fired some shots then. He could have easily said that. But instead he did not sound upset until the police took their time? So I the beginning he was not creating a siege situation . He was saying she had got a gun and was going crazy. For all they knew when they got there Neville may have talked her down as he had done before.
When asked why he didn't phone anyone else he simply said 'It did not occur to him'.
The real reason is they could refute what he was saying to the police at WHF. Those hours with the police were vital. He had to create a siege situation, insinuate Sheila and deflect attention from himself. That would be hard if AE or RB were saying Sheila had trouble putting sugar in coffee. Or the police were spending time speaking to other people.
The relatives had to be seen. Later. Julie had to whisked over to WHF. Later. But from 3.48am - 9am Jeremy needed the police's undivided attention.
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Hahahahaha ;D ;D ;D ;D>>>>>>getting hysterics.
I'm here all week! ;) ;D ;D
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And I believe him when he said that " it didn't occur to him " to have phoned others.
That is because you are way too biased to rationally approach any issue in this case. You even suggest that if indeed Sheila didn't kill herself then one of the parents killed her and committed suicide. Is there any evdence at all to suggest such? No but you will blame anyone than Jeremy because your irrational bias in his favor.
You admitted it makes no sense for Nevill to have called police and suggested it didn't happen until it was explained how helpful it woudl be to Jeremy if Nevill had called so then you changed your mind and decided just because it helps Jeremy that Nevill clale dpolice though there is no evidence he called and by your own admission it woudl make no sense.
You constantly ignore things that Jeremy did that make no sense just because you don't want to face his guilt. So it is totally expected you would say you believe him anyway but that doesn't mean anything in terms of whether his claims are actually objectively credible.
What you choose to believe has no bearing on the actual facts.
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That is because you are way too biased to rationally approach any issue in this case. You even suggest that if indeed Sheila didn't kill herself then one of the parents killed her and committed suicide. Is there any evdence at all to suggest such? No but you will blame anyone than Jeremy because your irrational bias in his favor.
You admitted it makes no sense for Nevill to have called police and suggested it didn't happen until it was explained how helpful it woudl be to Jeremy if Nevill had called so then you changed your mind and decided just because it helps Jeremy that Nevill clale dpolice though there is no evidence he called and by your own admission it woudl make no sense.
You constantly ignore things that Jeremy did that make no sense just because you don't want to face his guilt. So it is totally expected you would say you believe him anyway but that doesn't mean anything in terms of whether his claims are actually objectively credible.
What you choose to believe has no bearing on the actual facts.
How could June commit suicide. And kill everyone. Then leave the gun on Sheila ?
I thought Neville had rang Jeremy about Sheila ?
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How could June commit suicide. And kill everyone. Then leave the gun on Sheila ?
She obviously couldn't. Junes injuries certainly aren't suicdie injuries. I've never understood the logic behind any claims June killed her family and then committed suicide - because there is no logic. you only have to look at the abuse the Mccanns recieve via the internet to know that sadly people post rubbish online seemingly not realising that they are talking about real people - I'm sure the Bamber relatives see people who abuse them online and post lies about their family members living and dead as just as much a troll as the people who abuse the Mccanns.
I thought Neville had rang Jeremy about Sheila ?
This fact is ignored when one tries to pin the blame on an innocent June.
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That is because you are way too biased to rationally approach any issue in this case. You even suggest that if indeed Sheila didn't kill herself then one of the parents killed her and committed suicide. Is there any evdence at all to suggest such? No but you will blame anyone than Jeremy because your irrational bias in his favor.
You admitted it makes no sense for Nevill to have called police and suggested it didn't happen until it was explained how helpful it woudl be to Jeremy if Nevill had called so then you changed your mind and decided just because it helps Jeremy that Nevill clale dpolice though there is no evidence he called and by your own admission it woudl make no sense.
You constantly ignore things that Jeremy did that make no sense just because you don't want to face his guilt. So it is totally expected you would say you believe him anyway but that doesn't mean anything in terms of whether his claims are actually objectively credible.
What you choose to believe has no bearing on the actual facts.
What I think is my business and NOT for YOU to tell me otherwise !
What makes you think that YOUR facts are right ? The only way of knowing that is if you yourself committed the murders,plonker. Not even EP have got it right.
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She obviously couldn't. Junes injuries certainly aren't suicdie injuries. I've never understood the logic behind any claims June killed her family and then committed suicide - because there is no logic. you only have to look at the abuse the Mccanns recieve via the internet to know that sadly people post rubbish online seemingly not realising that they are talking about real people - I'm sure the Bamber relatives see people who abuse them online and post lies about their family members living and dead as just as much a troll as the people who abuse the Mccanns.
This fact is ignored when one tries to pin the blame on an innocent June.
June was shot with her head on the pillow. So was almost certainly asleep when shot.
By coincidence, Neville was also shot in/by the bed. Right next to June. Before running downstairs.
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What happened to the rifle which Neville had kept under his bed because of threats months before the tragedy. ? This,whatever it was,was the beginning of Nevilles' decline in health which he'd tried to explain to BW.
Nothing to do with Jeremy at all,otherwise Neville wouldn't have had him working at the farm,or even being at close quarters at any time.
Neville had a lot on his plate and I don't suppose he'd have worried anyone by explaining what it was,as I don't expect that Jeremy would have known.
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What I think is my business and NOT for YOU to tell me otherwise !
What makes you think that YOUR facts are right ? The only way of knowing that is if you yourself committed the murders,plonker. Not even EP have got it right.
The evidence estbalishes Jeremy is guilty. I have presented tha tevidenc emany times. You have no ability to refute such evidence thus no rational basis to disregard it but do anyway because of bias. That is where we stand at the end of the day.
Your inability to refute such evidence means you have no ability to disprove my claims and worse that there is no basis for Jeremy's conviction to be overturned.
Unless and until the key evidence against Jeremy can be refuted before to the Court of Appeal Jeremy is not going anyway. Jeremy supporters can't even do such on a message board though so the hope his legal team can do so in Court is rather unrealistic.
But hope springs eternal so some will still hope something one day is found to help refute th eevidence. In the meantime saying he is innocent despite having no ability to refute the evidence against him amounts to blind faith.
Some Jeremy supporters ar enot content admitting they operate based on blind father and distort and claim there is evidence already know that refutes Jeremy's guilt but can't produce any evidence that actually does so.
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June was shot with her head on the pillow. So was almost certainly asleep when shot.
By coincidence, Neville was also shot in/by the bed. Right next to June. Before running downstairs.
really -? One of the guilters this week said he was shot from inside the bedroom - but he was not in it. ?
Its really difficult when the guilters cant even agree
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jansus why would we all be expected to agree we all have our own opinions we are not a pack mentality.
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Its really difficult when the guilters cant even agree
Agree with what? We're not part of a team. I agree with people who think that Bamber is guilty and with people who think he is innocent.
You think he is likely innocent but do you agree with everything posted by Lookout, Mr Gee etc?
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really -? One of the guilters this week said he was shot from inside the bedroom - but he was not in it. ?
Its really difficult when the guilters cant even agree
Equally so when the "innocents" can't either, wouldn't you say? :D
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The difference is that those of us still asking questions don't put ourselves up as experts and state we Know what the answers are.
Where as there are certain posters who state that their answers are factual and we are all ignorant if we can not see their "truth" for we are all deceiptful liars.
If you going to say you know exactly what happened it should not be that difficult to agree why he is guilty.
It is being proposed by certain guilters that it is totally black and white. The police never told one lie , they know where everyone was shot, they know what blood should be on whose clothes , they know that the shooter would have very specific injuries .
And yet it appears they can not agree on some basics.
So perhaps their perception of our ignorance is not all it seems.
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The difference is that those of us still asking questions don't put ourselves up as experts and state we Know what the answers are.
Where as there are certain posters who state that their answers are factual and we are all ignorant if we can not see their "truth" for we are all deceiptful liars.
If you going to say you know exactly what happened it should not be that difficult to agree why he is guilty.
It is being proposed by certain guilters that it is totally black and white. The police never told one lie , they know where everyone was shot, they know what blood should be on whose clothes , they know that the shooter would have very specific injuries .
And yet it appears they can not agree on some basics.
So perhaps their perception of our ignorance is not all it seems.
Brilliant, jansus.
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The difference is that those of us still asking questions don't put ourselves up as experts and state we Know what the answers are.
Where as there are certain posters who state that their answers are factual and we are all ignorant if we can not see their "truth" for we are all deceiptful liars.
If you going to say you know exactly what happened it should not be that difficult to agree why he is guilty.
It is being proposed by certain guilters that it is totally black and white. The police never told one lie , they know where everyone was shot, they know what blood should be on whose clothes , they know that the shooter would have very specific injuries .
And yet it appears they can not agree on some basics.
So perhaps their perception of our ignorance is not all it seems.
I imagine anyone with half a brain, from which ever side of the divide, regard that as complete bollocks. It's entirely because it was NEVER black or white/cut and dried that we're here now.
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The difference is that those of us still asking questions don't put ourselves up as experts and state we Know what the answers are.
Where as there are certain posters who state that their answers are factual and we are all ignorant if we can not see their "truth" for we are all deceiptful liars.
If you going to say you know exactly what happened it should not be that difficult to agree why he is guilty.
It is being proposed by certain guilters that it is totally black and white. The police never told one lie , they know where everyone was shot, they know what blood should be on whose clothes , they know that the shooter would have very specific injuries .
And yet it appears they can not agree on some basics.
So perhaps their perception of our ignorance is not all it seems.
Brilliant post Jansus...X
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I imagine anyone with half a brain, from which ever side of the divide, regard that as complete bollocks. It's entirely because it was NEVER black or white/cut and dried that we're here now.
Jansus, just to clarify that in NO way was I being critical of your excellent post........................in case you wondered :)
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Jeremy could have phoned any of the nearby relatives at 3am. Or BW, or the Folkes's who lived at WHF. Or any of the other farm workers. They could have met him on site.
He had a good relationship with all of them at the time. The relatives later coming to the conclusion Sheila was not capable of committing the massacre.
Instead he phoned Julie. Simply saying 'Everything is going well. There is something wrong at the farm. I haven't slept all night. Love you lots'. Julie in Lewisham was harmless. But she needed to be with him and kept an eye on. Soon.
When asked why he didn't phone anyone else he simply said 'It did not occur to him'.
The real reason is they could refute what he was saying to the police at WHF. Those hours with the police were vital. He had to create a siege situation, insinuate Sheila and deflect attention from himself. That would be hard if AE or RB were saying Sheila had trouble putting sugar in coffee. Or the police were spending time speaking to other people.
The relatives had to be seen. Later. Julie had to whisked over to WHF. Later. But from 3.48am - 9am Jeremy needed the police's undivided attention.
He ddn't phone the others because they would have forced entry into the house immediately and that would have spoiled his illusion that there was a madwoman running around the rooms with a rifle.
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Actually,if anyone has forced entry sooner and JB had not long killed them,wouldn't that have kind of backed up his story better,as in Sheila had killed them all and herself after Nevill's call and given JB the alibi or having been at Goldhanger at the crucial time?
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Jeremy would NOT have been aware at the time that Sheila would have been capable of killing,and because his father had rang to say that she had a gun wouldn't have meant,to him,that she was about to use it on " all " of them. He didn't use her " madness " as an excuse !
No,no,no,Jeremy WASN'T the killer ! Mothers who kill !! It was virtually unheard of in the 80's.
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Jeremy would NOT have been aware at the time that Sheila would have been capable of killing,and because his father had rang to say that she had a gun wouldn't have meant,to him,that she was about to use it on " all " of them. He didn't use her " madness " as an excuse !
No,no,no,Jeremy WASN'T the killer ! Mothers who kill !! It was virtually unheard of in the 80's.
Maybe so, but was that any excuse for diddling around making spurious calls. If he wasn't worried that she'd use the gun, he could at least have got himself over there to check it out.
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Morning girls
yes that is how I see it if he had any serious concerns that Sheila would use the rifle he would have been over to WHF at speed not phoned Julie wasting time.
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Maybe so, but was that any excuse for diddling around making spurious calls. If he wasn't worried that she'd use the gun, he could at least have got himself over there to check it out.
I rather think that Jeremy was one of those characters who,at times,was too idle to scratch himself. He'd have been in no hurry as that obviously was his way,and none of us can help the way we are. Laid-back would have been a better description of Jeremy,who never let things worry him.
It was Sheila who possessed the nervous energy,except when she'd had her " soothers ",although speed ( amphetamine ) would have kept her going on the night of the murders.
There's no excuse involved as regards Jeremy.It's the way he was,and sadly,I don't get on with those who don't move themselves,or are alert in any way.It frustrates me and sends my blood-pressure soaring. Those who don't have their wits about them,and Jeremy was one of them,I just feel like kicking them up the behind to get moving. He reminded me of a sloth. ;D ;D ;D ;D
However,as I said,he was " made " that way,and had never had to face an emergency or anything like it so putting it simply,he wasn't prepared for the worst.
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I've studied lots of people,April,and one person wouldn't do what another would do. You must realise that yourself. ;) We're ALL different,whatever the circumstances which prevail. Thank God. ;D ;D ;D ;D
Imagine another one of me. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D I'd shake it by the neck.
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My fight or flight mechanism is knackered now. ;D
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I rather think that Jeremy was one of those characters who,at times,was too idle to scratch himself. He'd have been in no hurry as that obviously was his way,and none of us can help the way we are. Laid-back would have been a better description of Jeremy,who never let things worry him.
It was Sheila who possessed the nervous energy,except when she'd had her " soothers ",although speed ( amphetamine ) would have kept her going on the night of the murders.
There's no excuse involved as regards Jeremy.It's the way he was,and sadly,I don't get on with those who don't move themselves,or are alert in any way.It frustrates me and sends my blood-pressure soaring. Those who don't have their wits about them,and Jeremy was one of them,I just feel like kicking them up the behind to get moving. He reminded me of a sloth. ;D ;D ;D ;D
However,as I said,he was " made " that way,and had never had to face an emergency or anything like it so putting it simply,he wasn't prepared for the worst.
In which case, Lookout, and believe me, it PAINS me hugely to repeat ANYTHING that Adam has suggested, but as Neville would have known better than anyone what were Jeremy's tendencies, WHY, in God's name did he phone him?
I would argue that Jeremy wasn't quite the sloth you make him out to be. He was FAR to Jeremy aware. His whole attitude was "Me first" and "I am here, look at me" which are in no way slothful.
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I've studied lots of people,April,and one person wouldn't do what another would do. You must realise that yourself. ;) We're ALL different,whatever the circumstances which prevail. Thank God. ;D ;D ;D ;D
Imagine another one of me. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D I'd shake it by the neck.
I agree entirely, Lookout, but I no longer have the same burning need as you for Jeremy to be innocent.
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In which case, Lookout, and believe me, it PAINS me hugely to repeat ANYTHING that Adam has suggested, but as Neville would have known better than anyone what were Jeremy's tendencies, WHY, in God's name did he phone him?
I would argue that Jeremy wasn't quite the sloth you make him out to be. He was FAR to Jeremy aware. His whole attitude was "Me first" and "I am here, look at me" which are in no way slothful.
Yes,he was a " me first,and a look at me " character,so all the more reason why he had NO consideration for others,so wouldn't exactly fall over himself to help anyone either,hence the dilatory attitude after his father had rang,with him thinking " not one of Sheilas' do's again ".
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Yes,he was a " me first,and a look at me " character,so all the more reason why he had NO consideration for others,so wouldn't exactly fall over himself to help anyone either,hence the dilatory attitude after his father had rang,with him thinking " not one of Sheilas' do's again ".
So, probably having had the experience on several occasions of asking Jeremy to do something only to find the job hadn't been done, WHY, in an emergency, would Neville call him?
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I rather think that Jeremy was one of those characters who,at times,was too idle to scratch himself. He'd have been in no hurry as that obviously was his way,and none of us can help the way we are. Laid-back would have been a better description of Jeremy,who never let things worry him.
It was Sheila who possessed the nervous energy,except when she'd had her " soothers ",although speed ( amphetamine ) would have kept her going on the night of the murders.
There's no excuse involved as regards Jeremy.It's the way he was,and sadly,I don't get on with those who don't move themselves,or are alert in any way.It frustrates me and sends my blood-pressure soaring. Those who don't have their wits about them,and Jeremy was one of them,I just feel like kicking them up the behind to get moving. He reminded me of a sloth. ;D ;D ;D ;D
However,as I said,he was " made " that way,and had never had to face an emergency or anything like it so putting it simply,he wasn't prepared for the worst.
Why would he answer the phone if he was so lazy ?
The phone call was a wrong number or prank call. No one is going to ring him at 3.10am about the farm. He would not care anyway. It was not his farm.
If he was not bothered about Sheila perhaps having a episode, he would not want to get involved. Neville and June invited Sheila over. It was their problem.
I do not believe Sheila had gone crazy with a gun before . So why would Jeremy suspect she had ? Therefore why would he bother to answer ?
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So, probably having had the experience on several occasions of asking Jeremy to do something only to find the job hadn't been done, WHY, in an emergency, would Neville call him?
Who else would Neville have rang,thinking that the " episode " of Sheilas' might have been contained ?
Before finally" possibly" ringing the police. Even Neville was loathed to involve anyone else,which Jeremy would have picked up on,so naturally he'd have been in a quandary,although possibly knowing that his father would realise that at some point,Jeremy would phone the police.
I have a very good idea how the minds of some people work,particularly when you've had experience,not of murders,but of privacy in family circles,as I have when you never request help from anyone.
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Well the way I see it is that some treat their "opinions" as truth and not just opinions? They never prefix their opinion with "possibly" or " I believe" or "perhaps". ut rather with "he would have done this" or "Jeremy knew" or "Ralph would have done this or that" etc. But that's just my opinion? ::) ;D
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I rather think that Jeremy was one of those characters who,at times,was too idle to scratch himself. He'd have been in no hurry as that obviously was his way,and none of us can help the way we are. Laid-back would have been a better description of Jeremy,who never let things worry him.
It was Sheila who possessed the nervous energy,except when she'd had her " soothers ",although speed ( amphetamine ) would have kept her going on the night of the murders.
There's no excuse involved as regards Jeremy.It's the way he was,and sadly,I don't get on with those who don't move themselves,or are alert in any way.It frustrates me and sends my blood-pressure soaring. Those who don't have their wits about them,and Jeremy was one of them,I just feel like kicking them up the behind to get moving. He reminded me of a sloth. ;D ;D ;D ;D
However,as I said,he was " made " that way,and had never had to face an emergency or anything like it so putting it simply,he wasn't prepared for the worst.
This is not the impression I have of Jeremy - in fact it's quite a long way off Lookout. Why don't you try writing to him? I'm sure you would be surprised if this is how you think he is.
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Who else would Neville have rang,thinking that the " episode " of Sheilas' might have been contained ?
Before finally" possibly" ringing the police. Even Neville was loathed to involve anyone else,which Jeremy would have picked up on,so naturally he'd have been in a quandary,although possibly knowing that his father would realise that at some point,Jeremy would phone the police.
I have a very good idea how the minds of some people work,particularly when you've had experience,not of murders,but of privacy in family circles,as I have when you never request help from anyone.
Who else would he ring ?
The folkes's, other farm workers, other relatives, the police. Or tackle Sheila himself.
Ringing Jeremy was really not an option.
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Who else would Neville have rang,thinking that the " episode " of Sheilas' might have been contained ?
Before finally" possibly" ringing the police. Even Neville was loathed to involve anyone else,which Jeremy would have picked up on,so naturally he'd have been in a quandary,although possibly knowing that his father would realise that at some point,Jeremy would phone the police.
I have a very good idea how the minds of some people work,particularly when you've had experience,not of murders,but of privacy in family circles,as I have when you never request help from anyone.
But if Jeremy is the person you believe him to be, there would have been no guarantees that he'd have stirred himself to answer the phone and this is something that Nevill would have known. I know all about secrets in families, Lookout. I was forced to live other peoples.
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Well the way I see it is that some treat their "opinions" as truth and not just opinions? They never prefix their opinion with "possibly" or " I believe" or "perhaps". ut rather with "he would have done this" or "Jeremy knew" or "Ralph would have done this or that" etc. But that's just my opinion? ::) ;D
HOPE you're not including me in that one Grahame :) I don't think there any room in MOST of my posts for any more MAYBE's, POSSIBLY's, PERHAPS's, MIGHT HAVE's, IMO's.................IMO :D :D :D
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Well the way I see it is that some treat their "opinions" as truth and not just opinions? They never prefix their opinion with "possibly" or " I believe" or "perhaps". ut rather with "he would have done this" or "Jeremy knew" or "Ralph would have done this or that" etc. But that's just my opinion? ::) ;D
Do you have someone specific in mind? Because it's certainly not something that is specific to one side or the other.
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Sheila had had nightly meltdowns before, we know that from Freddie Emami. We know that Freddie Emami, who was quite scared of Sheila that night, called Nevill to get him to come to London to calm her down, because nothing was working; but Nevill refused to go in the middle of the night and waited until the morning.
Probably Jeremy knew about this (significantly that his father didn´t go right away), and probably there had been other incidences.
I can see that for those reasons, Jeremy was bewildered at what to do after the call from Nevill (assuming it happened.) There was a precedent for letting Sheila calm down by herself - set by Nevill himself.
Hope yas undertand what I am saying here.
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Sheila had had nightly meltdowns before, we know that from Freddie Emami. We know that Freddie Emami, who was quite scared of Sheila that night, called Nevill to get him to come to London to calm her down, because nothing was working; but Nevill refused to go in the middle of the night and waited until the morning.
Probably Jeremy knew about this (significantly that his father didn´t go right away), and probably there had been other incidences.
I can see that for those reasons, Jeremy was bewildered at what to do after the call from Nevill (assuming it happened.) There was a precedent for letting Sheila calm down by herself - set by Nevill himself.
Hope yas undertand what I am saying here.
Which would all have made sense had he done nothing, but he did the ultimate, he called the police.
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Sheila had had nightly meltdowns before, we know that from Freddie Emami. We know that Freddie Emami, who was quite scared of Sheila that night, called Nevill to get him to come to London to calm her down, because nothing was working; but Nevill refused to go in the middle of the night and waited until the morning.
Probably Jeremy knew about this (significantly that his father didn´t go right away), and probably there had been other incidences.
I can see that for those reasons, Jeremy was bewildered at what to do after the call from Nevill (assuming it happened.) There was a precedent for letting Sheila calm down by herself - set by Nevill himself.
Hope yas undertand what I am saying here.
There is one documented episode from Freddie and yes, he did claim to be scared but perhaps he was scared because it was out of character? A new experience of Sheila's behaviour that he hadn't seen before and so didn't know what to do?
I think the very fact that Neville was asking for help - as opposed to his 'usual' letting her calm down herself - would have been an indication that this time was different, especially as this time it was clear she had a weapon.
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Which would all have made sense had he done nothing, but he did the ultimate, he called the police.
I think he was very much bewildered about what to do.
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Do you have someone specific in mind? Because it's certainly not something that is specific to one side or the other.
Yes I do. All you need to do is look for those elements that I specified that will tell you who I am talking about. Note: It is not you or april or susan. ;D
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I think he was very much bewildered about what to do.
So do I,Alias,that's why he was hanging fire as it were.
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Yes I do. All you need to do is look for those elements that I specified that will tell you who I am talking about. Note: It is not you or april or susan. ;D
Oh I know who you mean but there is someone else who does it (not you). ;)
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Oh I know who you mean but there is someone else who does it (not you). ;)
Yes as you said it isn't specific of one side or the other. :)
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Oh I know who you mean but there is someone else who does it (not you). ;)
It's probably me. ;D ;D ;D ;D
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There is one documented episode from Freddie and yes, he did claim to be scared but perhaps he was scared because it was out of character? A new experience of Sheila's behaviour that he hadn't seen before and so didn't know what to do?
I think the very fact that Neville was asking for help - as opposed to his 'usual' letting her calm down herself - would have been an indication that this time was different, especially as this time it was clear she had a weapon.
Or it was worse than previous episodes. Neighbours claimed they often heard her wailing and screaming in the early hours of the morning, so I don´t think it was out of character.
To the second part clearly a miscalculation on Jeremy´s part.
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Sheila used to ring her dad regularly through the night if she couldn't sleep,then talk for hours. Poor man,no wonder he was worn out. Jeremy would NOT have known about this,I'm sure.
June too was a bad sleeper having suffered bad nightmares and terrors.
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It's probably me. ;D ;D ;D ;D
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Sorry Lookout but one of your earlier posts did exactly what Mr Gee mentioned. I understand that when people are passionate about something or in a hurry to get it down, they can forget to add 'in my opinion' or 'I believe'. I think we can all take it a read that none of us would know how someone would think or behave and so it's always going to be 'in our opinion' even if we forget to write it.
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Neville's options -
Tackle Sheila himself.
Wake June and tackle Sheila.
Ring the Folkes's. Thread created.
Ring the other farm workers.
Ring other relatives. Who Sheila actually liked.
Ring the police.
Ringing Jeremy would not enter his mind. If it did, it would just be to think of the 19 reasons/facts why he shouldn't ring him.
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Or it was worse than previous episodes. Neighbours claimed they often heard her wailing and screaming in the early hours of the morning, so I don´t think it was out of character.
To the second part clearly a miscalculation on Jeremy´s part.
Or a deliberate intention to slow things down - making the incident seem less urgent.
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It's probably me. ;D ;D ;D ;D
No it isn't you lookout ;D I think I know who she means?
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;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Sorry Lookout but one of your earlier posts did exactly what Mr Gee mentioned. I understand that when people are passionate about something or in a hurry to get it down, they can forget to add 'in my opinion' or 'I believe'. I think we can all take it a read that none of us would know how someone would think or behave and so it's always going to be 'in our opinion' even if we forget to write it.
It's probably because I believe in what I say and think that I have no need for additives. ;D ;D
There's no place in my life for hesitation. " He who hesitates is lost ".
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;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Sorry Lookout but one of your earlier posts did exactly what Mr Gee mentioned. I understand that when people are passionate about something or in a hurry to get it down, they can forget to add 'in my opinion' or 'I believe'. I think we can all take it a read that none of us would know how someone would think or behave and so it's always going to be 'in our opinion' even if we forget to write it.
I'm talking about someone who really makes hateful posts against Bamber and his "supporters" for want of a better word and it ain't scipio. ;D
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Or a deliberate intention to slow things down - making the incident seem less urgent.
Could also be, we don´t know.
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It's probably because I believe in what I say and think that I have no need for additives. ;D ;D
There's no place in my life for hesitation. " He who hesitates is lost ".
Lookout there is a world of difference between hate and passion and I wouldn't describe you as hateful. Neither would I describe Caroline or April or Susan as being hateful either.
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It's probably because I believe in what I say and think that I have no need for additives. ;D ;D
There's no place in my life for hesitation. " He who hesitates is lost ".
We all believe in what we say or we wouldn't say it but where there in no 'in my opinion' we all know that it is just opinion.
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It's probably because I believe in what I say and think that I have no need for additives. ;D ;D
There's no place in my life for hesitation. " He who hesitates is lost ".
But your PERSONAL belief doesn't make it believable to others. It just gives them an excuse to start name calling and label your beliefs as lies.
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But your PERSONAL belief doesn't make it believable to others. It just gives them an excuse to start name calling and label your beliefs as lies.
I don't expect it to be April. I wouldn't dream of ramming my personal opinions down anyones' throat as gospel. It's not my style. I just leave food for thought,that's all.
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I don't expect it to be April. I wouldn't dream of ramming my personal opinions down anyones' throat as gospel. It's not my style. I just leave food for thought,that's all.
Well, if it tastes like Yorkie Puds, roast tatties and rare roast beef, Lookout, it'll go down well :)
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Well, if it tastes like Yorkie Puds, roast tatties and rare roast beef, Lookout, it'll go down well :)
Depends if you share the same beliefs April/Lookout - it could end up tasting like cold sprouts! (UGH!) :) - Sorry, couldn't resist ;D ;D
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Well, if it tastes like Yorkie Puds, roast tatties and rare roast beef, Lookout, it'll go down well :)
Oh,Welsh lamb today,with the usual. All invited. ;D ;D
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lookout shame on you eating baby sheep ;D ;D ;D ;D Welsh or not ;D
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lookout shame on you eating baby sheep ;D ;D ;D ;D Welsh or not ;D
She is doing us all a favour eating those sheep.. I come from a country over-crowded with those strange creatures. I never understood them. They have all this space and grass to eat, but they always stand in the middle of the (sometimes few) roads, licking the asphalt!
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Hello Mr. Gee you are so right we are all nice people even the ones who enjoy WELSH LAMB :'( :'( :'(
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lookout shame on you eating baby sheep ;D ;D ;D ;D Welsh or not ;D
Susan, may I ask what you'd do with all the animals that were allowed to live and go on reproducing themselves. Who would care for them? Farmers couldn't afford to keep them for nothing. Don't you think it's better that a few have a wonderful life whilst they live than have endless numbers with not enough food and shelter?
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HaHaHa Alias Sheep I love them am surrounded with them and they are quite intelligent and harm nobody ;D The Welsh Lamb never got the chance to lick the tarmac roads :(
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Depends if you share the same beliefs April/Lookout - it could end up tasting like cold sprouts! (UGH!) :) - Sorry, couldn't resist ;D ;D
EEYUU and UGH :D :D :D
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HaHaHa Alias Sheep I love them am surrounded with them and they are quite intelligent and harm nobody ;D The Welsh Lamb never got the chance to lick the tarmac roads :(
The Icelandic sheep are not intelligent, trust me! Dumbest creatures on the planet!
Another thing about them which virtually spoiled my childhood (if I go into overdrive :P): little black, round droppings all over the place! I would never, ever sit directly on grass out of fear I would accidentally sit on one of those little things. Even in gardens in the town I grew up in - wouldn´t sit down. I knew there were no sheep there, but just in case.
There are good things about them though. The lambs are cute when they jump around, they taste good and they give us all that warm wool. ;D
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Alias Scotlands sheep are so intelligent and have never tasted lamb and are very clean animals ;D ;D ;D
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Alias Scotlands sheep are so intelligent and have never tasted lamb and are very clean animals ;D ;D ;D
And they even have litter bins in which to put their used loo paper ;D ;D ;D
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Alias Scotlands sheep are so intelligent and have never tasted lamb and are very clean animals ;D ;D ;D
You must be a vegetarian? I don´t eat much meat, mostly veggies, but I cannot call myself a vegetarian.
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I'm not very fussy with meat, but I did draw the line in China with chickens feet in a KFC Bucket.
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I'm not very fussy with meat, but I did draw the line in China with chickens feet in a KFC Bucket.
Mat, I'd have said I'd try ANY food, but the thought of what chickens tread in is more than enough to put me off putting their feet in my mouth :o :o :o
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HaHaHa Alias Sheep I love them am surrounded with them and they are quite intelligent and harm nobody ;D The Welsh Lamb never got the chance to lick the tarmac roads :(
Me too Susan, they are everywhere, some are quite vicious!! They stamp their feet in a challenge and I imagine a head butt from one would knock me flying. Alfie looks a bit like a sheep - maybe they think I have 'rustled' one of their flock? ;D ;D ;D ;D
We seem to be over run with Sheep here BUT lamb is REALLY expensive - don't understand that!!
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I'm not very fussy with meat, but I did draw the line in China with chickens feet in a KFC Bucket.
When I worked off-shore, the chefs were nearly always Filipino and they all seemed to rave on about Balut. It's a chicken or duck egg that has been fertilised and the chick is almost fully developed - now that would take a strong stomach to hold onto!! (Even worse that spouts - JUST!)
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When I worked off-shore, the chefs were nearly always Filipino and they all seemed to rave on about Balut. It's a chicken or duck egg that has been fertilised and the chick is almost fully developed - now that would take a strong stomach to hold onto!! (Even worse that spouts - JUST!)
OMG!!! TOO much information. Would -marginally- prefer the cold sprouts. My mother used to eat sprouts with vinegar poured over them!!!!! HORRIBLE!!!!!!
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OMG!!! TOO much information. Would -marginally- prefer the cold sprouts. My mother used to eat sprouts with vinegar poured over them!!!!! HORRIBLE!!!!!!
Yeah, they used to rave about it - they don't eat them raw - I think they boil them in a broth type thingy! I wouldn't order it ;D ;D ;D.
Sprouts are evil and should be banned (along with their cabbage parents!!). ;D ;D
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When I worked off-shore, the chefs were nearly always Filipino and they all seemed to rave on about Balut. It's a chicken or duck egg that has been fertilised and the chick is almost fully developed - now that would take a strong stomach to hold onto!! (Even worse that spouts - JUST!)
Oh good God!!
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Caroline Alfie is better looking than any sheep. Out walking one frosty day and a sheep and turned on its back and they cannot get onto their feet so I had to grab it by the legs and turn her over I was quite proud when she ran off frozen solid. Rams are the things to watch (typical male) :'( Ended up being known as the local Ranger ;D ;D ;D
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She's warm and cosy now.
(http://assets.wh.cdnds.net/images/1267/sheep-in-bed__medium_4x3.jpg)
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She's warm and cosy now.
(http://assets.wh.cdnds.net/images/1267/sheep-in-bed__medium_4x3.jpg)
Aw!
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Caroline Alfie is better looking than any sheep. Out walking one frosty day and a sheep and turned on its back and they cannot get onto their feet so I had to grab it by the legs and turn her over I was quite proud when she ran off frozen solid. Rams are the things to watch (typical male) :'( Ended up being known as the local Ranger ;D ;D ;D
Good for you Susan!! :D :D
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Reader what a happy ending after my good deed ;D ;D ;D she likes pink don't eat her later will you as my efforts to give her life will be wasted :'(
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Caroline think Reader is planning eating her :'( :'( :'(
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Caroline think Reader is planning eating her :'( :'( :'(
Mmmm. Mint sauce anyone? I'll ask Adam he likes a sauce. :)
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Yes,the mint " source " went down well with my lamb. ;D
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lookout bet the mint sauce did not do the wee lamb much good :'( :'( :'( you hard woman ;D ;D ;D ;D
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It stayed put,that's the main thing. ;D ;D ;D ;D
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I fell in love with these little goats on holiday - if I ever get enough land I want to own some.
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I fell in love with these little goats on holiday - if I ever get enough land I want to own some.
How does this prove Jeremy's innocence ?
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Bog off you that is void of emotion.
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How does this prove Jeremy's innocence ?
A lamb to the slaughter? ::)
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A lamb to the slaughter? ::)
Clever. ;D
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Or..maybe..a wolf in sheep's clothing?
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Alias Scotlands sheep are so intelligent and have never tasted lamb and are very clean animals ;D ;D ;D
I had lamb chops when young, I did not like it at all.
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I had lamb chops when young, I did not like it at all.
You found a cure? ;D ;D ;D ;D
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I fell in love with these little goats on holiday - if I ever get enough land I want to own some.
You don't need land for goats if you exercise them. It's useful to have lots of local friends who will buy their milk from you and to know a local supplier of cheap hay.
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You don't need land for goats if you exercise them. It's useful to have lots of local friends who will buy their milk from you and to know a local supplier of cheap hay.
thanks for the info - I had actually found a website with advice on looking after them :) they like to climb.