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Offline Caroline

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Re: The reason no one else was rang by Jeremy at 3am.
« Reply #45 on: October 05, 2014, 11:17:AM »
Well the way I see it is that some treat their "opinions" as truth and not just opinions? They never prefix their opinion with "possibly" or " I believe" or "perhaps". ut rather with "he would have done this" or "Jeremy knew" or "Ralph would have done this or that" etc. But that's just my opinion? ::) ;D

Do you have someone specific in mind? Because it's certainly not something that is specific to one side or the other.
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Re: The reason no one else was rang by Jeremy at 3am.
« Reply #46 on: October 05, 2014, 11:22:AM »
Sheila had had nightly meltdowns before, we know that from Freddie Emami. We know that Freddie Emami, who was quite scared of Sheila that night, called Nevill to get him to come to London to calm her down, because nothing was working; but Nevill refused to go in the middle of the night and waited until the morning.
Probably Jeremy knew about this (significantly that his father didn´t go right away), and probably there had been other incidences.
I can see that for those reasons, Jeremy was bewildered at what to do after the call from Nevill (assuming it happened.) There was a precedent for letting Sheila calm down by herself - set by Nevill himself.
Hope yas undertand what I am saying here.

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Re: The reason no one else was rang by Jeremy at 3am.
« Reply #47 on: October 05, 2014, 11:25:AM »
Sheila had had nightly meltdowns before, we know that from Freddie Emami. We know that Freddie Emami, who was quite scared of Sheila that night, called Nevill to get him to come to London to calm her down, because nothing was working; but Nevill refused to go in the middle of the night and waited until the morning.
Probably Jeremy knew about this (significantly that his father didn´t go right away), and probably there had been other incidences.
I can see that for those reasons, Jeremy was bewildered at what to do after the call from Nevill (assuming it happened.) There was a precedent for letting Sheila calm down by herself - set by Nevill himself.
Hope yas undertand what I am saying here.


Which would all have made sense had he done nothing, but he did the ultimate, he called the police.

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Re: The reason no one else was rang by Jeremy at 3am.
« Reply #48 on: October 05, 2014, 11:31:AM »
Sheila had had nightly meltdowns before, we know that from Freddie Emami. We know that Freddie Emami, who was quite scared of Sheila that night, called Nevill to get him to come to London to calm her down, because nothing was working; but Nevill refused to go in the middle of the night and waited until the morning.
Probably Jeremy knew about this (significantly that his father didn´t go right away), and probably there had been other incidences.
I can see that for those reasons, Jeremy was bewildered at what to do after the call from Nevill (assuming it happened.) There was a precedent for letting Sheila calm down by herself - set by Nevill himself.
Hope yas undertand what I am saying here.

There is one documented episode from Freddie and yes, he did claim to be scared but perhaps he was scared because it was out of character? A new experience of Sheila's behaviour that he hadn't seen before and so didn't know what to do?

I think the very fact that Neville was asking for help - as opposed to his 'usual' letting her calm down herself - would have been an indication that this time was different, especially as this time it was clear she had a weapon.
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Re: The reason no one else was rang by Jeremy at 3am.
« Reply #49 on: October 05, 2014, 11:32:AM »

Which would all have made sense had he done nothing, but he did the ultimate, he called the police.

I think he was very much bewildered about what to do.

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Re: The reason no one else was rang by Jeremy at 3am.
« Reply #50 on: October 05, 2014, 11:34:AM »
Do you have someone specific in mind? Because it's certainly not something that is specific to one side or the other.
Yes I do. All you need to do is look for those elements that I specified that will tell you who I am talking about. Note: It is not you or april or susan. ;D

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Re: The reason no one else was rang by Jeremy at 3am.
« Reply #51 on: October 05, 2014, 11:35:AM »
I think he was very much bewildered about what to do.





So do I,Alias,that's why he was hanging fire as it were.

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Re: The reason no one else was rang by Jeremy at 3am.
« Reply #52 on: October 05, 2014, 11:37:AM »
Yes I do. All you need to do is look for those elements that I specified that will tell you who I am talking about. Note: It is not you or april or susan. ;D

Oh I know who you mean but there is someone else who does it (not you).   ;)
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Re: The reason no one else was rang by Jeremy at 3am.
« Reply #53 on: October 05, 2014, 11:38:AM »
Oh I know who you mean but there is someone else who does it (not you).   ;)
Yes as you said it isn't specific of one side or the other. :)

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Re: The reason no one else was rang by Jeremy at 3am.
« Reply #54 on: October 05, 2014, 11:38:AM »
Oh I know who you mean but there is someone else who does it (not you).   ;)






It's probably me. ;D ;D ;D ;D

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Re: The reason no one else was rang by Jeremy at 3am.
« Reply #55 on: October 05, 2014, 11:39:AM »
There is one documented episode from Freddie and yes, he did claim to be scared but perhaps he was scared because it was out of character? A new experience of Sheila's behaviour that he hadn't seen before and so didn't know what to do?

I think the very fact that Neville was asking for help - as opposed to his 'usual' letting her calm down herself - would have been an indication that this time was different, especially as this time it was clear she had a weapon.

Or it was worse than previous episodes. Neighbours claimed they often heard her wailing and screaming in the early hours of the morning, so I don´t think it was out of character.

To the second part clearly a miscalculation on Jeremy´s part.

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Re: The reason no one else was rang by Jeremy at 3am.
« Reply #56 on: October 05, 2014, 11:42:AM »
Sheila used to ring her dad regularly through the night if she couldn't sleep,then talk for hours. Poor man,no wonder he was worn out. Jeremy would NOT have known about this,I'm sure.
June too was a bad sleeper having suffered bad nightmares and terrors.

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Re: The reason no one else was rang by Jeremy at 3am.
« Reply #57 on: October 05, 2014, 11:43:AM »





It's probably me. ;D ;D ;D ;D

 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Sorry Lookout but one of your earlier posts did exactly what Mr Gee mentioned. I understand that when people are passionate about something or in a hurry to get it down, they can forget to add 'in my opinion' or 'I believe'. I think we can all take it a read that none of us would know how someone would think or behave and so it's always going to be 'in our opinion' even if we forget to write it.
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Re: The reason no one else was rang by Jeremy at 3am.
« Reply #58 on: October 05, 2014, 11:43:AM »
Neville's options -

Tackle Sheila himself.

Wake June and tackle Sheila. 

Ring the Folkes's. Thread created.

Ring the other farm workers.

Ring other relatives. Who Sheila actually liked.

Ring the police.


Ringing Jeremy would not enter his mind. If it did, it would just be to think of the 19 reasons/facts why he shouldn't ring him.

« Last Edit: October 05, 2014, 11:43:AM by Adam »
'Only I know what really happened that night'.

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Re: The reason no one else was rang by Jeremy at 3am.
« Reply #59 on: October 05, 2014, 11:45:AM »
Or it was worse than previous episodes. Neighbours claimed they often heard her wailing and screaming in the early hours of the morning, so I don´t think it was out of character.

To the second part clearly a miscalculation on Jeremy´s part.

Or a deliberate intention to slow things down - making the incident seem less urgent.
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