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JEREMY BAMBER CASE => Jeremy Bamber Case Discussion => Topic started by: Adam on June 08, 2014, 08:32:AM
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Two more important discoveries have been made in the last two days.
Jeremy's best option after committing the massacre was to phone the police at 3.30am. Another poster said Jeremy usually had breakfast at WHF, so being a farmer and early starter, he would have discovered the bodies. At best he would have been on WHF land for several hours when someone else discovered the bodies. So much better to phone the police and create a big siege scene outside WHF.
The other discovery is there was no valid reason why Jeremy would ask the police to pick him up. The only reason given was he was afraid of little Sheila. So why did Neville phone him and ask him to 'come quickly' ? Jeremy could have driven and waited 50 yards from WHF in his car. Until the police arrive. Sheila would not even know Jeremy was there. The police agreed, telling Jeremy to make his own way to WHF.
So it is clear Jeremy went after a double alibi. Trying to show he had been at home all night.
Jeremy could make sure he was seen putting on his clothes when the police arrive. Looking worried and as if he had just woken up. On the journey he could start his speech about Neville's phone call and insinuating Sheila. All this is better than the police refusing Jeremy's request and passing an almost static Jeremy on the way. It is helping Jeremy to convincingly lead the police into a direction.
Everything would happen as it did on that fateful day once everyone was at the scene. Everything would still happen afterwards, with Julie breaking, suspicious relatives, Jeremy's callous behaviour and a found silencer.
At trial, the police will testify that they picked up Jeremy at home. They may say Jeremy was half dressed and looked worried. So far, so good. Much better than Jeremy being overtaken on the way.
However the police could also testify that Jeremy asked them to pick him up. Why ? The prosecution will ask. Jeremy being at home at 3.30 does not give him an alibi for the 11pm - 3am period.
If Jeremy had been successful in his double alibi attempt, would it have made a difference ?
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Hi Adam when you speak of 'important discoveries' I gather you are speaking of your personal discoveries. It is common knowledge that Jeremy ate his breakfast at the farm with his family and discussed the days work with Nevill each morning, just as in any other family run working farm. It must cause a oroblem with your belief that Jeremy and Nevill had a bad relationship and also that June and Jeremy hadn't spoken for months or more, wonder if he thanked her for his egg and bacon.
Don't believe any one believes Jeremy was scared of 'little' Sheila, who was almost 5'8" not so 'little' for a woman but considerably smaller than Nevill as was Jeremy but more that he was unsure how to react to the telephone call from Nevill.
It seems Nevill was always adamant he believed in keeping family business private and no doubt particularly Sheila's illness and the problems it caused, he also wasn't a particular fan of the police, so I should think in that situation anyone would hesitate and have difficulty making a decision as to their next move. I am aware you will never agree with this, never be able to look at both sides of the argument but for all that I do believe it's a valid possibilty.
Many argue how in such a situation they would turn into action man and tear round to the farm break down the door etc. However, reality is very different, it is far more natural that our adrenaline actually slows us down in such a situation, we become more aware of danger and move more slowly.
There are always at least two sides to any story, often many more but am quite confident you will dismiss my thoughts as laughable.
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Hi Adam when you speak of 'important discoveries' I gather you are speaking of your personal discoveries. It is common knowledge that Jeremy ate his breakfast at the farm with his family and discussed the days work with Nevill each morning, just as in any other family run working farm. It must cause a oroblem with your belief that Jeremy and Nevill had a bad relationship and also that June and Jeremy hadn't spoken for months or more, wonder if he thanked her for his egg and bacon.
Don't believe any one believes Jeremy was scared of 'little' Sheila, who was almost 5'8" not so 'little' for a woman but considerably smaller than Nevill as was Jeremy but more that he was unsure how to react to the telephone call from Nevill.
It seems Nevill was always adamant he believed in keeping family business private and no doubt particularly Sheila's illness and the problems it caused, he also wasn't a particular fan of the police, so I should think in that situation anyone would hesitate and have difficulty making a decision as to their next move. I am aware you will never agree with this, never be able to look at both sides of the argument but for all that I do believe it's a valid possibilty.
Many argue how in such a situation they would turn into action man and tear round to the farm break down the door etc. However, reality is very different, it is far more natural that our adrenaline actually slows us down in such a situation, we become more aware of danger and move more slowly.
There are always at least two sides to any story, often many more but am quite confident you will dismiss my thoughts as laughable.
Maggie, my brain becomes addled every time I think of Jeremy spending months coming up with this convoluted double. Adam would have us believe that for every move Jeremy made he'd planned another to run concurrently. One wonders, IF he carried out/KNEW of the plan Adam has it that he planned for, how many times he had to stop and wonder what was the next FIRST step and what was its' concurrent equivalent OR would he have written out a plan of action that he could refer to when the need arose? And isn't it miraculous that for much of this to occur it took the compliance of others to make it come together, WHICH it seems, they did.
Adam has provided an excellent example of what Adam does best. Blowing his own trumpet. As you so correctly observe, Maggie, Adam's "discoveries" are indeed "important" only to him. I've yet to see ANYONE else congratulating his stellar work.
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So Jeremy ate breakfast at WHF most mornings.
The following would then have happened -
Jeremy arrives at WHF. Gets no response.
Gets in through the window and finds the bodies.
After recovering, rings the police from WHF who attend WHF.
The police are greeted by Jeremy who shows them five dead bodies.
= suspects rounded down to two.
Surely better to invent Neville's call and create a siege situation outside WHF for several hours.
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With Neville liking to keep things in the family, Jeremy seems to contradict himself.
Ringing the police. Then telling them Neville liked to keep things in the family ?
Then decades later making a u turn and claiming Neville rang the police. Surely the police would have told Jeremy this during the first month after the massacre, while Jeremy was still considered the victim.
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It is likely the police would have also told Jeremy on the night that Neville had phoned them.
It was a serious situation and there was no point keeping secrets from each other.
But no, Jeremy claimed it happened decades later.
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Anyway.
The question.
Jeremy achieved one alibi attempt - the phone call. If he had been successful in his double alibi attempt, would it have made a big difference ?
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Anyway.
The question.
Jeremy achieved one alibi attempt - the phone call. If he had been successful in his double alibi attempt, would it have made a big difference ?
As it's your wont to disagree with anything we say, YOU answer it, we can ignore it.
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Anyway.
The question.
Jeremy achieved one alibi attempt - the phone call. If he had been successful in his double alibi attempt, would it have made a big difference ?
If he had been successful in his alibi, would it have made any difference? ;D Is that a serious question? The answer is in the question Adam. ;D ;D
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as far as i can see he made no attempt at an albi wich suggests he dident think he would need one.
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Did you not read the thread post ?
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Jeremy didn't need an alibi. He was brought up to tell the truth.Look where it got him :(
It would seem that a lot of people don't like the truth,,which I've found out along the way myself. Liars are far more convincing,,and it's wrong.
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Is that why he broke into the caravan site ?
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Adam No perhaps somebody should tell you Jeremy Bamber is serving life for killing his family he was found guilty in a Court of Law what is the point you are trying to make.
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Adam is this a reply to my post what is the relevance between your previous post and the caravan park :'(
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Is that why he broke into the caravan site ?
Adam, you have to understand that each individual (act) is an idiomatic breach of the syntax of the species.
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Did you not read the thread post ?
yes theres nothing there that says he was trying to create do you actully no what an albi is adam
its being somewhere else at the time the crime happened.
Jeremy clearly never created an albi for then.
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Jeremy did try to create an alibi - Neville.
Ringing his cottage from WHF. Then claiming he was at home when Neville rang.
Being at home and half dressed when the police pick him up enhances that alibi. But the police refused.
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Half dressed ? He'd just got out of bed,,,unless you go to bed fully clothed ?
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its like groundhog day again.
Why would JB do all that planning and try and create the most difficult alibi ever ( the phone call ) so one minute he is the most crafty and planning murderer ever - and the next the guilters are saying its his most stupid mistake?
and yet he is stupid enough to use a silencer ( when there was no need)
Stupid enough to tell his girlfriend his plans?
I do not understand that people can not see the basics before their eyes - it does not make any sense .
He was only 24 and busy doing 14 hours a day on the farm ::) where would he have had the energy and intelligence to plan the most evil and cunning murder ever - but was actually the most stupid?
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I wouldn't mind,,but there was NO planning whatsoever,,and certainly NO notion that this very sad event was going to happen. I won't have it any other way other than it was a domestic situation which went horribly wrong,,and I will keep supporting Jeremy on this however long it takes,,,because I know in my own heart that it wasn't him who carried out this awful crime.
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its like groundhog day again.
Why would JB do all that planning and try and create the most difficult alibi ever ( the phone call ) so one minute he is the most crafty and planning murderer ever - and the next the guilters are saying its his most stupid mistake?
and yet he is stupid enough to use a silencer ( when there was no need)
Stupid enough to tell his girlfriend his plans?
I do not understand that people can not see the basics before their eyes - it does not make any sense .
He was only 24 and busy doing 14 hours a day on the farm ::) where would he have had the energy and intelligence to plan the most evil and cunning murder ever - but was actually the most stupid?
What was his other option ?
Find the bodies the following morning.
Think about it.
Silencer - well he was doing a 2.00am execution.
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I wouldn't mind,,but there was NO planning whatsoever,,and certainly NO notion that this very sad event was going to happen. I won't have it any other way other than it was a domestic situation which went horribly wrong,,and I will keep supporting Jeremy on this however long it takes,,,because I know in my own heart that it wasn't him who carried out this awful crime.
That's the spirit.
Free Jeremy.
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What was his other option ?
Find the bodies the following morning.
Think about it.
Silencer - well he was doing a 2.00am execution.
finding the bodys wouldn't automatically make him a suspect
and all he would of had to do is call barabra willson say hed knocked and couldn't get an answer and send her down to find the bodys.
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It's not easy when you're telling the truth,Adam. As has been proven.
I know what my own gut feeling is,,and I'm standing by that.
It's about time that you looked long and hard into this case and use your own initiative instead of taking the easy way out just by keeping on saying " guilty ". I'm damn glad your not a jury member if I was on trial,,and that goes for others like you.
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all he had to do if he was killer is go the next day knock and leave when nobody replied.
then waste time ringing people up asking if they had seen his father.
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all he had to do if he was killer is go the next day knock and leave when nobody replied.
then waste time ringing people up asking if they had seen his father.
He could have raised the alarm that all was strangely quiet, found one of the farmworkers and they could have both climbed through the window. think that is far more convincing than a phone call no one can prove happened.
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Unless it would have been said that Jeremy had come straight out of the farmhouse. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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He could have raised the alarm that all was strangely quiet, found one of the farmworkers and they could have both climbed through the window. think that is far more convincing than a phone call no one can prove happened.
and then he would have an independent witness to confirm his story.
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Unless it would have been said that Jeremy had come straight out of the farmhouse. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Not if he took someone in with him in with him?? :-\
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Not if he took someone in with him in with him?? :-\
The neighbours testified his car was outside his cottage all night. Maybe they would have a go at accusing him but they wouldn't have been able to tie him in in the same way and state it was either him or Sheila. If he could get in and out of the window so could others. It is the phone call which caused him so many problems.
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i would of thought his car being outside all night would of been a good enough albi.
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i would of thought his car being outside all night would of been a good enough albi.
No.
The prosecution claimed he cycled there on the bike he brought over just before the massacre.
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Gawd ! The bicycle. Pitch black,,,,,,dodgy sea-wall,,,,,,chance of a puncture with the uneven surface,,,,,,saddle-sore,,,wet because it was showery..
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Yes. A three mile bike ride. Tough for a fit 24 year old.
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Enid Blyton would have been proud of you.
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No.
The prosecution claimed he cycled there on the bike he brought over just before the massacre.
All through those pesky sulphur mines with their yellow mud :) :)
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Obviously possible otherwise why was Jeremy arrested.
One of Jeremy's relatives worked out there are three routes. Source, Wilkes's book. Jeremy just needed one.
The CTSB documentary said no one would see Jeremy in a month of Sunday's if he rode there at that time.
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No.
The prosecution claimed he cycled there on the bike he brought over just before the massacre.
he couldn't guess they would make such a cliam so if he was the kiler as far as he was concerned he already had an albi no need to do anything else.
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Well if the relatives said so,,then perhaps one of them should have carried out the experiment just as they'd described.
Jeremy was arrested because he happened to be the last man standing,who EVERYONE was happy to point a finger at..Then they nearly broke their necks in a bid to get him convicted and out of the way.