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JEREMY BAMBER CASE => Jeremy Bamber Case Discussion => Topic started by: mike tesko on June 10, 2013, 12:24:PM

Title: Missing photographs, by reference to missing negatives in Strips of ten(10)...
Post by: mike tesko on June 10, 2013, 12:24:PM: Missing photographs, by reference to missing negatives in Strips of ten(10)...

Typical Example of Negative strip, consisting of 10 negatives:-

Negative Strip

Neg'. - 1
Neg'. - 2
Neg'. - 3
Neg'. - 4
Neg'. - 5
Neg'. - 6
Neg'. - 7
Neg'. - 8
Neg'. - 9
Neg'. - 10
Title: Re: Missing photographs, by reference to missing negatives in Strips of ten(10)...
Post by: mike tesko on June 10, 2013, 12:26:PM: Quote from: mike tesko on June 10, 2013, 12:24:PM
Missing photographs, by reference to missing negatives in Strips of ten(10)...

Typical Example of Negative strip, consisting of 10 negatives:-

Negative Strip

Neg'. - 1
Neg'. - 2
Neg'. - 3
Neg'. - 4
Neg'. - 5
Neg'. - 6
Neg'. - 7
Neg'. - 8
Neg'. - 9
Neg'. - 10

Negative Strip with missing negatives at beginning of strip

Neg'. - 1 (missing)
Neg'. - 2 (missing)
Neg'. - 3 (missing)
Neg'. - 4 (missing)
Neg'. - 5 (missing)
Neg'. - 6 (missing)
Neg'. - 7 (missing)
Neg'. - 8 (missing)
Neg'. - 9
Neg'. - 10
Title: Re: Missing photographs, by reference to missing negatives in Strips of ten(10)...
Post by: mike tesko on June 10, 2013, 12:45:PM: Essex police were too clever for thier own good, since in order to conceal the full extent ot photographs which had been taken in connection with the Bamber case investigation, contained in 'THE SENIOR INVESTIGATING OFFICERS ALBUM', consisting of 581 photographs, they got PC Bird to produce a false and misleading, 'MASTER COPY ALBUM', consisting of only 223 photographs, which they fooled everyone into believing contained all the photographs taken in the investigation, even though a total of 358 other images were concealed from Bambers legal team, by so doing...

PC Bird then further complicated the matter, by producing a 'COURT ALBUM', which consisted of 50 pre-selected photographs taken from the 'MASTER COPY ALBUM', with a view to try and confuse everyone about the actual order that all the photographs contained in'THE SENIOR INVESTIGATING OFFICERS ALBUM (581) had been taken, the order with which the 223 photographs contained in the 'MASTER COPY ALBUM', had been taken, and the order with which the 50 photographs contained in the court album were actually taken...

What PC Bird did, was to produce a dual schedule, showing the order which the photographs (50) had been taken in, against the order of the 223 photographs listed in sequential order, in the 'MASTER COPY ALBUM', when all along the 223 photographs which compromise of the 'MASTER COPY ALBUM' may not have been listed in sequential order to start off with. What was required was for all 581 photographs contained in the 'SENIOR INVESTIGATIN OFFICER ALBUM', to be listed in order, along with the corresponding negative reference number, so that when PC Bird create the 'MATER COPY ALBUM' (223), the negative references for all photographs contained within it, could be checked to identify the sequential order in which photographs were taken, in any album produced, or referred to, thereafter...

For some reaon, police did not want anyone to know the exact sequence that all 581 photographs were taken in, particularly those taken at the scene on 7th August 1985 - this was because of interference with the bodies of the victims by police officers engaged in a training exercise, with bodies of victims still in situ...
Title: Re: Missing photographs, by reference to missing negatives in Strips of ten(10)...
Post by: mike tesko on June 10, 2013, 12:54:PM: I have seen it somewhere, but cannot lay my hands on it at the moment, but there was published somewhere a complete list of all the negatives regarding photographic images taken by police, and looked into by Mr Sutherst, and if I could get my hands on that information, I would be in a strong position to produce compelling evidence with a view to it being utilized in any future proceedings...

So if anyone can help me with this, it would be very much appreciated...
Title: Re: Missing photographs, by reference to missing negatives in Strips of ten(10)...
Post by: mike tesko on June 10, 2013, 08:26:PM: Quote from: mike tesko on June 10, 2013, 12:54:PM
I have seen it somewhere, but cannot lay my hands on it at the moment, but there was published somewhere a complete list of all the negatives regarding photographic images taken by police, and looked into by Mr Sutherst, and if I could get my hands on that information, I would be in a strong position to produce compelling evidence with a view to it being utilized in any future proceedings...

So if anyone can help me with this, it would be very much appreciated...

I am particularly interested in the film strip records, similar to following:-
Title: Re: Missing photographs, by reference to missing negatives in Strips of ten(10)...
Post by: Roch on June 10, 2013, 08:39:PM: What in photography does '6 frames after' mean?
Title: Re: Missing photographs, by reference to missing negatives in Strips of ten(10)...
Post by: Roch on June 10, 2013, 09:09:PM: At which point/s on this list does the photographer move from the master bedroom to the top of the staircase?

(http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=4376.0;attach=32686;image)
Title: Re: Missing photographs, by reference to missing negatives in Strips of ten(10)...
Post by: mike tesko on June 10, 2013, 09:18:PM: Quote from: Roch on June 10, 2013, 09:09:PM
At which point/s on this list does the photographer move from the master bedroom to the top of the staircase?

(http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=4376.0;attach=32686;image)

here:-

After 60 negatives on filmstrip taken prior to moving to stairs (Photograph 23 in album) - what happened to the missing 38 images captured prior to PC Bird taking photograph 23?
Title: Re: Missing photographs, by reference to missing negatives in Strips of ten(10)...
Post by: mike tesko on June 10, 2013, 09:25:PM: According to the above records, a total of 7 negatives are missing whilst PC Bird took photographs in the main beroom...
Title: Re: Missing photographs, by reference to missing negatives in Strips of ten(10)...
Post by: mike tesko on June 10, 2013, 09:27:PM: Quote from: mike tesko on June 10, 2013, 09:25:PM
According to the above records, a total of 7 negatives are missing whilst PC Bird took photographs in the main beroom...

By the time PC Bird gets downstairs to start photographing the gun cupboard, another 8 photograph (negative) images are missing (Anthony Pargeters .22 bolt action rifle minus silencer is photographed inside gun cupboard of downstairs office)...
Title: Re: Missing photographs, by reference to missing negatives in Strips of ten(10)...
Post by: mike tesko on June 10, 2013, 09:33:PM: Quote from: mike tesko on June 10, 2013, 09:18:PM
here:-

After 60 negatives on filmstrip taken prior to moving to stairs (Photograph 23 in album) - what happened to the missing 38 images captured prior to PC Bird taking photograph 23?

This helps to prove that the sequence of photographs in the MASTER COPY ALBUM, (223), does not reflect the true compilation of photographs taken at the scene up to the point when photo' 23 was taken by PC Bird from the vantage point of the middle landing looking back into the bedroom (MASTER COPY ALBUM)...
Title: Re: Missing photographs, by reference to missing negatives in Strips of ten(10)...
Post by: mike tesko on June 10, 2013, 09:35:PM: 10 negatives - used in kitchen to photograph body of Ralph Bamber
10 negatives - used in kitchen, before moving upstairs to bedroom to photo' Sheila with rifle
10 negatives - used in main bedroom photographing body of Sheila
10 negatives - used in main bedroom to photo' body of June Bamber, and Sheila with rifle
10 negatives - used on upstairs landing, and childs bedroom
10 negatives - used in childs bedroom, toilet and bathroom
Title: Re: Missing photographs, by reference to missing negatives in Strips of ten(10)...
Post by: Roch on June 10, 2013, 09:39:PM: Thanks Mike.

I wonder which part of this table...

(http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=4376.0;attach=32695;image)

corresponds to this photo? ...

(http://www.jeremy-bamber.co.uk/_/rsrc/1338669010043/sheila-s-body/JB207Staircase%20-%20CropZoom.jpg?height=374&width=400)
Title: Re: Missing photographs, by reference to missing negatives in Strips of ten(10)...
Post by: mike tesko on June 10, 2013, 09:44:PM: Quote from: mike tesko on June 10, 2013, 09:35:PM
10 negatives - used in kitchen to photograph body of Ralph Bamber
10 negatives - used in kitchen, before moving upstairs to bedroom to photo' Sheila with rifle
10 negatives - used in main bedroom photographing body of Sheila
10 negatives - used in main bedroom to photo' body of June Bamber, and Sheila with rifle
10 negatives - used on upstairs landing, and childs bedroom
10 negatives - used in childs bedroom, toilet and bathroom

Next 10 negatives - includes use in childs bedroom, stairs and outside (photo'23 taken amongst these)...
Title: Re: Missing photographs, by reference to missing negatives in Strips of ten(10)...
Post by: lookout on June 10, 2013, 09:49:PM: Quote from: Roch on June 10, 2013, 09:39:PM
Thanks Mike.

I wonder which part of this table...

(http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=4376.0;attach=32695;image)

corresponds to this photo? ...

(http://www.jeremy-bamber.co.uk/_/rsrc/1338669010043/sheila-s-body/JB207Staircase%20-%20CropZoom.jpg?height=374&width=400)

It's No 5,,the landing.
Title: Re: Missing photographs, by reference to missing negatives in Strips of ten(10)...
Post by: mike tesko on June 10, 2013, 09:55:PM: If I had access to all the negative information I could prouce a full in depth record to show the order in which each of the 581 images belonging to the "SENIOR INVESTIGATING OFFICERS ALBUM", were taken, which could then be ued to establish the correct order that the 223 images of the "MASTER COPY ALBUM" were taken, and in turn, the sequence with which the 50 images of the "COURT ALBUM" had been taken...

More importantly...

It might be posible to compose a comprehensive lit of all the missing negatives at various crucial stages of the investigation...
Title: Re: Missing photographs, by reference to missing negatives in Strips of ten(10)...
Post by: mike tesko on June 10, 2013, 10:03:PM: Quote from: lookout on June 10, 2013, 09:49:PM

It's No 5,,the landing.

We both may have to reconsider, in view of attached witnes statement, made by PC Bird setting out the order he visited each part of the premises:-

(L) - main stairs...
Title: Re: Missing photographs, by reference to missing negatives in Strips of ten(10)...
Post by: mike tesko on June 10, 2013, 10:07:PM: Now lets compare the film strip record information, against the contents of PC Birds witness statement (aforementioned):-

"It all looks dodgy to me"...
Title: Re: Missing photographs, by reference to missing negatives in Strips of ten(10)...
Post by: mike tesko on June 10, 2013, 10:14:PM: First impression, is that the film strip records are true and accurate:-
Title: Re: Missing photographs, by reference to missing negatives in Strips of ten(10)...
Post by: mike tesko on June 10, 2013, 10:17:PM: PC Birds witness statement, detailing order of locations visited whilst taking crime scene photographs, appears to have been compiled, after negative images were removed from various film strips, etc...

Clear evidence exists to prove that there was an intention to conceal images taken of Sheila Caffell at the time the trial got under way - by reference to the insert negatives below (bottom)...
Title: Re: Missing photographs, by reference to missing negatives in Strips of ten(10)...
Post by: mike tesko on June 10, 2013, 11:48:PM: Look here:-

First Column:- date photograph taken
second:- order photo's taken in MASTER COPY ALBUM
Third:- order of photo's in COURT ALBUM, in relation to order of photo's taken in COURT ALBUM
Fourth:- Officer who took photograph

Find negative references, as per film strip records, to all the photograhs mentioned in these schedules...
Title: Re: Missing photographs, by reference to missing negatives in Strips of ten(10)...
Post by: mike tesko on June 11, 2013, 10:03:AM: Quote from: mike tesko on June 10, 2013, 11:48:PM
Look here:-

Find negative references, as per film strip records, to all the photograhs mentioned in these schedules...

First Column:- date photograph taken
second:- order photo's taken in MASTER COPY ALBUM
Third:- order of photo's in COURT ALBUM, in relation to order of photo's taken in COURT ALBUM
Fourth:- Officer who took photograph
Title: Re: Missing photographs, by reference to missing negatives in Strips of ten(10)...
Post by: mike tesko on June 11, 2013, 12:13:PM: Now according to the COLP enquiry into the photographs taken at the scene by PC Bird, photo 23 was taken before any photographs of Sheila with that same rifle on top of her body:-
Title: Re: Missing photographs, by reference to missing negatives in Strips of ten(10)...
Post by: Roch on June 11, 2013, 12:22:PM: Quote from: mike tesko on June 11, 2013, 12:13:PM
Now according to the COLP enquiry into the photographs takenat the scene by PC Bird, photo 23 was taken before any photographs of Sheila with that same rifle on top of her boy:-

According to the official site, photo 23 was taken 6 frames after this photo:

(http://www.jeremy-bamber.co.uk/_/rsrc/1338668950471/sheila-s-body/JB175Editmasterwindow.jpg?height=221&width=400)

6 frames being regarded as merely a number of minutes later...
Title: Re: Missing photographs, by reference to missing negatives in Strips of ten(10)...
Post by: mike tesko on June 11, 2013, 12:26:PM: Quote from: Roch on June 11, 2013, 12:22:PM

According to the official site, photo 23 was taken 6 frames after this photo:

(http://www.jeremy-bamber.co.uk/_/rsrc/1338668950471/sheila-s-body/JB175Editmasterwindow.jpg?height=221&width=400)

6 frames being regarded as merely a number of minutes later...

Well, look here, it tells you everything - all that I required now, I for someboy to put negatives from Mr Suthert file to all thee COLP records, nothing could be any simpler...
Title: Re: Missing photographs, by reference to missing negatives in Strips of ten(10)...
Post by: mike tesko on June 11, 2013, 12:44:PM: With regards to above schedule an film strip records, two ajoined photographs were taken 6 frames a part from another...
Title: Re: Missing photographs, by reference to missing negatives in Strips of ten(10)...
Post by: mike tesko on June 11, 2013, 12:57:PM: COLP Schedule listing order photographs were taken in, does not match with film strip records about point June Bambers body was photographed in bedroom, and first photograph taken of Sheila with rifle on body, or vice versa...

This discrepancy is very disturbing - there should not be such a discepancy in the order the photographs at the scene were taken in, the fact that there is tells its own story about what took place, who hass been involved in the conpiracy to create and produce a falsified photographic record...

Open your eyes, exercise common sense - the truth is there for all to see...
Title: Re: Missing photographs, by reference to missing negatives in Strips of ten(10)...
Post by: mike tesko on June 11, 2013, 01:05:PM: Quote from: mike tesko on June 11, 2013, 12:57:PM
COLP Schedule listing order photographs were taken in, does not match with film strip records about point June Bambers body was photographed in bedroom, and first photograph taken of Sheila with rifle on body, or vice versa...

This discrepancy is very disturbing - there should not be such a discepancy in the order the photographs at the scene were taken in, the fact that there is tells its own story about what took place, who hass been involved in the conpiracy to create and produce a falsified photographic record...

Open your eyes, exercise common sense - the truth is there for all to see...

Here:-
Title: Re: Missing photographs, by reference to missing negatives in Strips of ten(10)...
Post by: mike tesko on June 11, 2013, 01:11:PM: One version has Sheila' body with rifle, before any photographs of June, other version does not have photographs of Sheila until after photographs have been taken of June Bamber - both records cannot be true/ correct / or accurate...
Title: Re: Missing photographs, by reference to missing negatives in Strips of ten(10)...
Post by: mike tesko on June 11, 2013, 04:16:PM: I think that the contradictions involving the order photographs were taken in, and the order the film negative order occurred, highlights a problem involving when Sheila Caffells body was first photographed - in one version police did not photograph Sheila's body with the rifle until after they had photographed June Bambers body, whilst in the other version of events, they photographed Sheila's body with the rifle, before they took photographs (see film negative records, below) of June...

Now, these discrepancies are very disturbiing I think it is linked to the discovery of two bodies downstairs upon entry by the raid team, the body of one dead male, and the body of one dead female (7:37am), and the discovery of a further three bodies found upstairs by 8:10am, which later changed into one body downstairs, four bodies upstairs, after 8:15am...
Title: Re: Missing photographs, by reference to missing negatives in Strips of ten(10)...
Post by: mike tesko on June 11, 2013, 04:32:PM: What could possibly have resulted in the police photographing Sheila's body in the bedroom, before they took pictures of June Bamber, if we are to believe that Junes body was plonked in the bedroom doorway...

It makes no sense for police to by pass Junes body at the bedroom door way and start filming Sheila on the bedroom floor by the edge of the bed...
Title: Re: Missing photographs, by reference to missing negatives in Strips of ten(10)...
Post by: mike tesko on June 12, 2013, 12:49:AM: There are 66 strips of film each containing 10 negatives but some of the strips only contain two negatives as the other 8 have been cut away. Essex Police head of photography Mr Eastbrook has said that the missing 175 negatives of the crime scene photographs had been legitimately cut away from the negative strips, because those missing were just blanks, but many ‘blanks’ are included in the ones actually disclosed to the Defence. Essex Police photographers certainly wasted a lot of film.
Title: Re: Missing photographs, by reference to missing negatives in Strips of ten(10)...
Post by: mike tesko on June 12, 2013, 04:02:PM: Quote from: mike tesko on June 12, 2013, 12:49:AM
There are 66 strips of film each containing 10 negatives but some of the strips only contain two negatives as the other 8 have been cut away. Essex Police head of photography Mr Eastbrook has said that the missing 175 negatives of the crime scene photographs had been legitimately cut away from the negative strips, because those missing were just blanks, but many ‘blanks’ are included in the ones actually disclosed to the Defence. Essex Police photographers certainly wasted a lot of film.

I am reliably informed that the strips of film containing 10 negatives, were deliberately edited with a view of trying to conceal the disturbance of the victims body's, the gun, and crime scene in general, so that in general the negatives remaining matched the 223 photographs contained in the so called, "MASTER COPY ALBUM"...

DC Bird was tasked with cutting up the film strips, removing any images considered to be too sensitive for diclosure, which related to 358 such photographs, contained in "THE SENIOR INVESTIGATING OFFICERS ALBUM" which compromised of a total of 581 images...
Title: Re: Missing photographs, by reference to missing negatives in Strips of ten(10)...
Post by: mike tesko on June 12, 2013, 06:18:PM: Quote from: mike tesko on June 12, 2013, 04:02:PM
I am reliably informed that the strips of film containing 10 negatives, were deliberately edited with a view of trying to conceal the disturbance of the victims body's, the gun, and crime scene in general, so that in general the negatives remaining matched the 223 photographs contained in the so called, "MASTER COPY ALBUM"...

DC Bird was tasked with cutting up the film strips, removing any images considered to be too sensitive for diclosure, which related to 358 such photographs, contained in "THE SENIOR INVESTIGATING OFFICERS ALBUM" which compromised of a total of 581 images...

Negative strip ID - CM400
Title: Re: Missing photographs, by reference to missing negatives in Strips of ten(10)...
Post by: lookout on June 12, 2013, 06:26:PM: Body of JB.?
Title: Re: Missing photographs, by reference to missing negatives in Strips of ten(10)...
Post by: mike tesko on June 12, 2013, 07:07:PM: Here look at this and tell me what you notice:-

"Take A Look"...
"Take A Look"...
"Take A Look"...
Title: Re: Missing photographs, by reference to missing negatives in Strips of ten(10)...
Post by: lookout on June 12, 2013, 07:16:PM: Is it in addition to the missing negatives.?

JB=June Bamber. d'oh.! They should have added her middle name.No wonder they sent 6 body bags.
Title: Re: Missing photographs, by reference to missing negatives in Strips of ten(10)...
Post by: mike tesko on June 12, 2013, 07:26:PM: ...
Title: Re: Missing photographs, by reference to missing negatives in Strips of ten(10)...
Post by: mike tesko on June 12, 2013, 07:30:PM: ...
Title: Re: Missing photographs, by reference to missing negatives in Strips of ten(10)...
Post by: mike tesko on June 12, 2013, 07:53:PM: By reference to the above:-

It is absolutely clear, that the so called "MASTER COPY ALBUM", consisting of 223 photographs, was not the master copy album at all, since the photographs contained within it in sequential order, 1 - 223 consecutively, were taken on different dates, as follows...

MASTER COPY ALBUM
Photo' number, followed
by date (out of sequence):-

004 - 10th September 1985
006 - As above
008 - As above
009 - As above
010 - As above
------------------------------------
086 - 8th August 1985
087 - As above
088 - As above
------------------------------------
101 - 11th September 1985
------------------------------------
104 - 8th August 1985
-----------------------------
127 - 8th September 1985
128 - As above
129 - As above
130 - As above
131 - As above
132 - As above
----------------------------------
133 - 11th September 1985
134 - As above
135 - As above
136 - As above
137 - As above
138 - As above
139 - As above
140 - As above
141 - As above
142 - As above
143 - As above
144 - As above
145 - As above
146 - As above
147 - As above
148 - As above
---------------------------------
149 - 12th September 1985
150 - As above
151 - As above
152 - As above
----------------------------------
155 - September 1985
156 - As above
157 - As above
158 - As above
159 - As above
-----------------------------------
160 - 10th September 1985
161 - As above
162 - As above
163 - As above
164 - As above
165 - As above
166 - As above
167- As above
168 - As above
169 - As above
170 - As above
171 - As above
172 - As above
173 - As above
174 - As above
175 - As above
176 - As above
177 - As above
178 - As above
179 - As above
180 - As above
--------------------------------
Title: Re: Missing photographs, by reference to missing negatives in Strips of ten(10)...
Post by: mike tesko on June 12, 2013, 07:58:PM: By reference to this information, everyone can see that the so called "MASTER COPY ALBUM", was / is a forgery, introduced to fool the defence and the court which tried the case, into thinking no other photographs had been taken in connection with the investigation, and no other photographs existed...
Title: Re: Missing photographs, by reference to missing negatives in Strips of ten(10)...
Post by: mike tesko on June 12, 2013, 08:09:PM: Quote from: mike tesko on June 12, 2013, 07:58:PM
By reference to this information, everyone can see that the so called "MASTER COPY ALBUM", was / is a forgery, introduced to fool the defence and the court which tried the case, into thinking no other photographs had been taken in connection with the investigation, and no other photographs existed...

Produced by PC Bird (SOC), as part of cover up...
Title: Re: Missing photographs, by reference to missing negatives in Strips of ten(10)...
Post by: mike tesko on June 12, 2013, 09:06:PM: Quote from: mike tesko on June 12, 2013, 07:53:PM
By reference to the above:-

It is absolutely clear, that the so called "MASTER COPY ALBUM", consisting of 223 photographs, was not the master copy album at all, since the photographs contained within it in sequential order, 1 - 223 consecutively, were taken on different dates, as follows...

MASTER COPY ALBUM
Photo' number, followed
by date (out of sequence):-

004 - 10th September 1985
006 - As above
008 - As above
009 - As above
010 - As above
------------------------------------
086 - 8th August 1985
087 - As above
088 - As above
------------------------------------
101 - 11th September 1985
------------------------------------
104 - 8th August 1985
-----------------------------
127 - 8th September 1985
128 - As above
129 - As above
130 - As above
131 - As above
132 - As above
----------------------------------
133 - 11th September 1985
134 - As above
135 - As above
136 - As above
137 - As above
138 - As above
139 - As above
140 - As above
141 - As above
142 - As above
143 - As above
144 - As above
145 - As above
146 - As above
147 - As above
148 - As above
---------------------------------
149 - 12th September 1985
150 - As above
151 - As above
152 - As above
----------------------------------
155 - September 1985
156 - As above
157 - As above
158 - As above
159 - As above
-----------------------------------
160 - 10th September 1985
161 - As above
162 - As above
163 - As above
164 - As above
165 - As above
166 - As above
167- As above
168 - As above
169 - As above
170 - As above
171 - As above
172 - As above
173 - As above
174 - As above
175 - As above
176 - As above
177 - As above
178 - As above
179 - As above
180 - As above
--------------------------------

Based on an analysis of Mr Suthersts film strip information, and PC Birds "MASTER COPY ALBUM photographs, it is possible to calculate that there were only 131 images that were taken on 7th August 1985 (amongst the first 180 photographs of the "MASTER COPY ALBUM), when there were over 180 taken at the scene on 7th August 1985...

Simply based on the information contained in Mr Suthersts Film strip analysis, there are listed 18 film strips, each with 10 negatives, producing the capacity to take 180 photographs - if you deduct 131 from 180 it produces a total of 49 missing or unaccounted photographs taken on 7th August 1985, at the scene...
Title: Re: Missing photographs, by reference to missing negatives in Strips of ten(10)...
Post by: mike tesko on June 12, 2013, 09:26:PM: Why did Essex police feel the need to fabricate a false photographic record, and name it the "MASTER COPY ALBUM" consisting of 223 photographs, when 581 photographs in total had been taken - 358 images missing from the "MASTER COPY ALBUM"...
Title: Re: Missing photographs, by reference to missing negatives in Strips of ten(10)...
Post by: mike tesko on June 12, 2013, 09:32:PM: Quote from: mike tesko on June 12, 2013, 09:26:PM
Why did Essex police feel the need to fabricate a false photographic record, and name it the "MASTER COPY ALBUM" consisting of 223 photographs, when 581 photographs in total had been taken - 358 images missing from the "MASTER COPY ALBUM"...

Photographs in the "MASTER COPY ALBUM" not listed in dated, or timed, sequential order, thus contradicting the film strip records, produced by Mr Suthersts work...
Title: Re: Missing photographs, by reference to missing negatives in Strips of ten(10)...
Post by: mike tesko on June 12, 2013, 09:34:PM: Alarm bells, are ringing...
Title: Re: Missing photographs, by reference to missing negatives in Strips of ten(10)...
Post by: mike tesko on June 12, 2013, 09:42:PM: Mr Suthersts film strip analysis also does not correspond with the COLP (1991 / 1992) photographic schedule, which highlights a serious discrepancy regarding at what stage police photographed Sheila Caffells body, since in Mr Suthersts film strip analysis police photographed Sheila before they photographed June Bamber, whereas, in COLPS photograph schedule, police did not photograph Sheila until after they had photographed June Bamber...

How could there exist such a discrepancy regarding the sequence with which PC Bird photographed the body of Sheila Caffell, before or after he photographed the body of June Bamber?
Title: Re: Missing photographs, by reference to missing negatives in Strips of ten(10)...
Post by: mike tesko on June 12, 2013, 09:52:PM: Careful study of the information contained in Mr Suthersts film strip presentation, shows that Sheila Caffell was photographed before June Bamber, and that police tamperd with the sequence of the film strips, from negative strip 9/15, through to negative strip 15/14 - film negatives 1 through to 8, and film negative 16 through to 18, being identical, in Mr Suthersts, and police account...
Title: Re: Missing photographs, by reference to missing negatives in Strips of ten(10)...
Post by: mike tesko on June 12, 2013, 10:06:PM: Quote from: mike tesko on June 12, 2013, 09:52:PM
Careful study of the information contained in Mr Suthersts film strip presentation, shows that Sheila Caffell was photographed before June Bamber, and that police tamperd with the sequence of the film strips, from negative strip 9/15, through to negative strip 15/14 - film negatives 1 through to 8, and film negative 16 through to 18, being identical, in Mr Suthersts, and police account...

This is very interesting...

It would appear that police have deliberately set out to alter the sequence of events relating to the taking of photographs of Sheila Caffell, and that this has got something to do with the time PC Bird took photograph 23, of the rifle leaning up against the bedroom window, as viewed from the vantage point of the middle landing of the main stairs, which was taken according to PC Birds trial testimony, before his second visit to the main bedroom to photograph Sheila's body, whereas, he appears to have taken three separate sets of photographs of Sheila, for example, one set of images before he photographed June Bamber, a second set of images taken of Sheila after he had taken photographs of June Bamber, and a third set of photographs of Sheila, after he had taken photograph 23 showing the rifle at the window from the vantage point of the middle landing of the main stair...
Title: Re: Missing photographs, by reference to missing negatives in Strips of ten(10)...
Post by: mike tesko on June 12, 2013, 10:17:PM: Why has PC Bird made out a false case that he only paid two visits to the bedroom to take photographs of Sheila Caffell, when in fact he paid three separate visits to photograph her body there...

Why have Essex police falsified the photographic records to deliberately conceal for the fact that PC Bird spent three separate sessions in the main bedroom filming Sheila Caffells body?

What was so sensitive, at the time PC Bird took photographs on one of those three occasions, that it required the police to try and eradicate it from the photographic records disclosed to Bambers legal team, and the court which tried the matter - well, I know the answer, do you...
Title: Re: Missing photographs, by reference to missing negatives in Strips of ten(10)...
Post by: mike tesko on June 12, 2013, 10:35:PM: (1) - Sheila photographed *
(2) - June photographed
(3) - Sheila photographed
(4) - rifle photographed at bedroom window from vantage point of middle landing of main stairs
(5) - Sheila photographed with rifle from (4) on her body in different poitions...
Title: Re: Missing photographs, by reference to missing negatives in Strips of ten(10)...
Post by: mike tesko on June 12, 2013, 10:44:PM: Quote from: mike tesko on June 12, 2013, 10:35:PM
(1) - Sheila photographed *
(2) - June photographed
(3) - Sheila photographed
(4) - rifle photographed at bedroom window from vantage point of middle landing of main stairs
(5) - Sheila photographed with rifle from (4) on her body in different poitions...

* At this stage, Sheila's body was on the bed, training exercise under way, PC Bird then concentrated on filming June Bamber...
Title: Re: Missing photographs, by reference to missing negatives in Strips of ten(10)...
Post by: mike tesko on June 12, 2013, 10:51:PM: COLP had access to all the miissing photographs, which they refused to copy:-

BOX 60/1

Albums not copied.....
Title: Re: Missing photographs, by reference to missing negatives in Strips of ten(10)...
Post by: mike tesko on June 12, 2013, 10:55:PM: Yes Sir, police sure did shoot Sheila Caffell under the chin, by use of the rifle from the bedroom window....

Sure did...
Title: Re: Missing photographs, by reference to missing negatives in Strips of ten(10)...
Post by: mike tesko on June 13, 2013, 01:04:AM: Quote from: mike tesko on June 12, 2013, 10:35:PM
(1) - Sheila photographed *
(2) - June photographed
(3) - Sheila photographed
(4) - rifle photographed at bedroom window from vantage point of middle landing of main stairs
(5) - Sheila photographed with rifle from (4) on her body in different poitions...

sheila photographed at (5) during third session of PC Bird photographing her body...
Title: Re: Missing photographs, by reference to missing negatives in Strips of ten(10)...
Post by: mike tesko on June 13, 2013, 01:18:AM: I am reliably informed that Sheila was wearing a pair of light blue leggings, which police removed whilst her body was on the bed, and these were placed hanging over the bannister at the top of the mainstairs, before they took rifle from against the bedroom window and put it to Sheila's body. Removal of the light blue leggings took place whilst her body was laid a topthe bed, and police took soft porn images of Sheila, on the bed with the hem of her nightdress ridden up...

Here is some photographic evidence to support that this took place, light blue leggings shown hanging over bannister in photo' 23, but missing in photograph which shows rifle that has been moved from window onto Sheila's body...
Title: Re: Missing photographs, by reference to missing negatives in Strips of ten(10)...
Post by: mike tesko on June 13, 2013, 09:19:AM: What exhibit reference was given to these wet light blue leggings placed over bannister?
Title: Re: Missing photographs, by reference to missing negatives in Strips of ten(10)...
Post by: lookout on June 13, 2013, 09:45:AM: Mike,,this is horrendous. Absolutely sickening and unforgiveable.If this is what happened,,they should be jailed.! It's unimaginable. Heartbreaking and upsetting. Poor woman.
Who put those clothes in soak,,as Sheila clearly wasn't able to.?
Title: Re: Missing photographs, by reference to missing negatives in Strips of ten(10)...
Post by: Roch on June 13, 2013, 10:37:AM: Quote from: lookout on June 13, 2013, 09:45:AM
Mike,,this is horrendous. Absolutely sickening and unforgiveable.If this is what happened,,they should be jailed.! It's unimaginable. Heartbreaking and upsetting. Poor woman.
Who put those clothes in soak,,as Sheila clearly wasn't able to.?

The 'soft porn' photographs claim is a strong allegation that is likely to cause offence.
Title: Re: Missing photographs, by reference to missing negatives in Strips of ten(10)...
Post by: Jane on June 13, 2013, 11:47:AM: Quote from: Roch on June 13, 2013, 10:37:AM
The 'soft porn' photographs claim is a strong allegation that is likely to cause offence.

And do we know for certain that those leggings were wet and if they were, which particular big burly policeman suddenly turned housewife to wash them, and why? I expect you can hear that even if I end up HAVING to believe it, I really don't want to.
Title: Re: Missing photographs, by reference to missing negatives in Strips of ten(10)...
Post by: Reader on June 13, 2013, 11:25:PM: How did the blue leggings hold up when worn?
Title: Re: Missing photographs, by reference to missing negatives in Strips of ten(10)...
Post by: lookout on June 14, 2013, 09:58:AM: Quote from: Reader on June 13, 2013, 11:25:PM
How did the blue leggings hold up when worn?

They'd cling to the body.
Title: Re: Missing photographs, by reference to missing negatives in Strips of ten(10)...
Post by: killingeve on June 14, 2013, 10:45:AM: Quote from: Reader on June 13, 2013, 11:25:PM
How did the blue leggings hold up when worn?

Hi Reader

Leggings are made with stretchy fabrics usually lycra so that they're figure hugging but the essential bit is in a band of elastic at the waist:
Title: Re: Missing photographs, by reference to missing negatives in Strips of ten(10)...
Post by: susan on June 14, 2013, 10:50:AM: Morning N/N

yes I have leggings (very sexy especially with the Nora Batty socks) ;D and mine would fall down if they did not have elastic around the waist. ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Missing photographs, by reference to missing negatives in Strips of ten(10)...
Post by: lookout on June 14, 2013, 10:53:AM: Susan,,I wouldn't be seen dead in them I'm afraid. They remind me of Max Wall,,to whom they were his trademark.
Title: Re: Missing photographs, by reference to missing negatives in Strips of ten(10)...
Post by: susan on June 14, 2013, 10:55:AM: lookout I've got news for you I look like Max Wall in them and I find a certain member of my household is put off my them ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Missing photographs, by reference to missing negatives in Strips of ten(10)...
Post by: killingeve on June 14, 2013, 10:57:AM: Quote from: susan on June 14, 2013, 10:50:AM
Morning N/N

yes I have leggings (very sexy especially with the Nora Batty socks) ;D and mine would fall down if they did not have elastic around the waist. ;D ;D ;D

Morning Susan

I would be careful what you say...Reader might ask you to personally model them for him and demonstrate exactly how they work ie the putting on, holding up and taking off ;) ;D
Title: Re: Missing photographs, by reference to missing negatives in Strips of ten(10)...
Post by: susan on June 14, 2013, 11:04:AM: Hi N/N think Reader would run a mile and I don't blame him ;D ;D ;D certainly don't get chased round the bedroom anymore Yippee ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Missing photographs, by reference to missing negatives in Strips of ten(10)...
Post by: Jane on June 14, 2013, 11:44:AM: Quote from: Naughty Nun on June 14, 2013, 10:45:AM
Hi Reader

Leggings are made with stretchy fabrics usually lycra so that they're figure hugging but the essential bit is in a band of elastic at the waist:

Was lycra in use in the mid 1980s. I resall wearing stretchy cotton leggings in the early 1990s and they went baggy at the knees. Not a pretty sight.
Title: Re: Missing photographs, by reference to missing negatives in Strips of ten(10)...
Post by: lookout on June 14, 2013, 12:19:PM: Quote from: april1 on June 14, 2013, 11:44:AM

Was lycra in use in the mid 1980s. I resall wearing stretchy cotton leggings in the early 1990s and they went baggy at the knees. Not a pretty sight.

Hi April,,,it was a material called bri-nylon or terylene. Awful stuff. ;D
Title: Re: Missing photographs, by reference to missing negatives in Strips of ten(10)...
Post by: susan on June 14, 2013, 12:23:PM: Hi Girls I can't remember so far back too young ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Missing photographs, by reference to missing negatives in Strips of ten(10)...
Post by: Jane on June 14, 2013, 12:38:PM: Quote from: lookout on June 14, 2013, 12:19:PM

Hi April,,,it was a material called bri-nylon or terylene. Awful stuff. ;D

God, lookout. The mind BOGGLES. It doesn't bear thinking about. :D :D :D :D
Title: Re: Missing photographs, by reference to missing negatives in Strips of ten(10)...
Post by: maggie on June 14, 2013, 12:41:PM: Quote from: april1 on June 14, 2013, 12:38:PM

God, lookout. The mind BOGGLES. It doesn't bear thinking about. :D :D :D :D
how about shell suits...... maybe we should start a thread..awful clothes of the 80s ;D
Title: Re: Missing photographs, by reference to missing negatives in Strips of ten(10)...
Post by: killingeve on June 14, 2013, 12:53:PM: Quote from: april1 on June 14, 2013, 11:44:AM

Was lycra in use in the mid 1980s. I resall wearing stretchy cotton leggings in the early 1990s and they went baggy at the knees. Not a pretty sight.

Hi April

Yes I recall having a fluorescent orange pair 8) I'm pretty sure they were lycra if not similar eg spandex 8) There were cotton ones about about but they didn't hold shape.
Title: Re: Missing photographs, by reference to missing negatives in Strips of ten(10)...
Post by: susan on June 14, 2013, 01:06:PM: Hi N/N often wondered what a Nun wore under her robes I do declare did not think it would be so bold ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Missing photographs, by reference to missing negatives in Strips of ten(10)...
Post by: killingeve on June 14, 2013, 01:25:PM: Quote from: susan on June 14, 2013, 01:06:PM
Hi N/N often wondered what a Nun wore under her robes I do declare did not think it would be so bold ;D ;D ;D

Hi Susan

That was before I had my calling :)
Title: Re: Missing photographs, by reference to missing negatives in Strips of ten(10)...
Post by: susan on June 14, 2013, 02:10:PM: N/N ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D