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JEREMY BAMBER CASE => Jeremy Bamber Case Discussion => Topic started by: mike tesko on May 04, 2013, 07:40:AM
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Why did Victor Temple, represent me after 1988, and represent CPS in Bamber appeal 2002..
Both Bamber, and myself have been stitched up, by the system, which is corrupt from the top, down...
Bastards, the evil twats, playing the system, against both of us...
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Mike,,you can never hope to beat people like that. They know every twist and turn and are safe in the knowledge that they have the goverment ( such as it is,and what do they know.? ) on their side.
You're literally defenceless when it comes to these power-crazy individuals.
All in it together by corroboration.
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Both these posts are laughable.
What possible connection could there be between the two cases?
Lookout wins Sycophant of the year award!
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Both these posts are laughable.
What possible connection could there be between the two cases?
Lookout wins Sycophant of the year award!
Sycophant.? (as spoken by the pedant of the forum ) How can you possibly judge something/someone when you don't know the nature of " both " cases. Who are you to pass comment.? All it does is make you look stupid.
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Sycophant.? (as spoken by the pedant of the forum ) How can you possibly judge something/someone when you don't know the nature of " both " cases. Who are you to pass comment.? All it does is make you look stupid.
Anyway, you can't be sycophant of the year because it's only May. :)
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Both these posts are laughable.
What possible connection could there be between the two cases?
Lookout wins Sycophant of the year award!
That's a bit uncalled for Vic!
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Hi Vic
not sure what a Sycophant is but I know lookout is not one as she is too posh ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Susan,a sychophant is an "arse licker". I guess it takes one to know one!
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Hi tyler I looked it up in the Dictionary after I posted it did not say your words exactly but meant the same. lookout is the last person on this forum to do that she is too strong minded and one of the most honest people on the forum she does not shy away from making her views known and cares not if it makes her unpopular and I have the utmost respect for her and admiration. She will not loose any sleep over what Vic thinks of her that is for sure ;D Thank you tyler for explaining the meaning in such an eloquent manner ;D xx
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Susan,a sychophant is an "arse licker". I guess it takes one to know one!
Rightly so tyler.Well said.
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Sorry Susan,us Essex gals are not known for being "eloquent".We just tell it like it is,lol x
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Hi tyler I looked it up in the Dictionary after I posted it did not say your words exactly but meant the same. lookout is the last person on this forum to do that she is too strong minded and one of the most honest people on the forum she does not shy away from making her views known and cares not if it makes her unpopular and I have the utmost respect for her and admiration. She will not loose any sleep over what Vic thinks of her that is for sure ;D Thank you tyler for explaining the meaning in such an eloquent manner ;D xx
You're so kind,Susan.xx As ever. :)
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tyler not to worry we Yorkshire girls are the same tell it as it is and I much prefer a person like that as they are real people and you do make me laughxx I still laugh at your jokes on the forum on New Year's Eve when you had been on the jungle juice ;D ;D ;D
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Thank you lookout ;D You keep on being the person you are as most people that do critizise you should maybe take a look at themselves from time to time.xx
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I don't have enough information to form any view on this thread..
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I don't have enough information to form any view on this thread..
;D ;D ;D And there's me thinking you didn't have any sense of humour?
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may their parts rot and drop off
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Strange Mr Drake was the judge in two of the most controversial trials's this country as ever seen !!
http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/november/9/newsid_2516000/2516015.stm
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/bridgewater-three-to-go-free-1279695.html
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' Judge and Lawyers blamed for trial bias '
JUDGE SIR MAURICE DRAKE was accused of failing to secure a fair trial for James Robertson. The Court of Appeal heard how Judge Drake 'neutralized' an important defence point when there was gross inconsistencies between eye witnesses descriptions. It was stated that prosecution counsel operated without regard to the proper rules, and failed to ensure the the disclosure of fingerprints. Defence Counsel seemed ' patently not to have read documents provided, which shows a lack of proper legal administration.
Another case involving Mr Drake , is it a coincidence ?
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Derek Bently cleared after 46 years.There's hope for Jeremy yet.!!
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' Judge and Lawyers blamed for trial bias '
JUDGE SIR MAURICE DRAKE was accused of failing to secure a fair trial for James Robertson. The Court of Appeal heard how Judge Drake 'neutralized' an important defence point when there was gross inconsistencies between eye witnesses descriptions. It was stated that prosecution counsel operated without regard to the proper rules, and failed to ensure the the disclosure of fingerprints. Defence Counsel seemed ' patently not to have read documents provided, which shows a lack of proper legal administration.
Another case involving Mr Drake , is it a coincidence ?
Very interesting, Jon!
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Very interesting, Jon!
Hi Alias :)
It is. I wonder how they knew what the police had fabricated? :-\ :) :) :)
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http://books.google.nl/books?id=-99TY5gpVeIC&pg=PA199&lpg=PA199&dq=bridgewater+four+judge&source=bl&ots=AMzO5n56p7&sig=dhXLDnAoUk8O5KkaTogw2uQWp6k&hl=en&sa=X&ei=05yGUZKSC4eU0AWy8YHwAg&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=bridgewater%20four%20judge&f=false
This is interesting regarding Drake !!
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http://books.google.nl/books?id=-99TY5gpVeIC&pg=PA199&lpg=PA199&dq=bridgewater+four+judge&source=bl&ots=AMzO5n56p7&sig=dhXLDnAoUk8O5KkaTogw2uQWp6k&hl=en&sa=X&ei=05yGUZKSC4eU0AWy8YHwAg&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=bridgewater%20four%20judge&f=false
This is interesting regarding Drake !!
Have to read this later - too much noise around me right now!
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I asked Victor Temple, QC, why somebody like him could not represent Jeremy Bamber for nothing, because Bamber could not get legal aid to fund representatives to pursue an appeal - Temple questioned me in depth about how I was supporting Jeremy, and what I thought had really happened in his case. I trusted Temple, but it seems like he threw Jeremy and me to the wolves...
I feel let down, and betrayed...
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You're not on your own,Mike. It's a horrible feeling-----------------of losing control,,and I don't like that.
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All Power Corrupts. Absolute Power Corrupts Absolutely.---------------------Lord Acton-1834-1902.
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I could not believe that I ended up convicted at my trial in 1994, when Victor Temple represented me, and then six years later, he is representing the prosecutions case to keep Bamber in jail for the rest of his life - I feel let down, and it makes me feel like I let Jeremy down by confiding so much information in Temple, QC, about his case, when all along Temple was simply using me to find out all he could about Jeremys approach to any forthcoming appeal - it's disgusting...
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I could not believe that I ended up convicted at my trial in 1994, when Victor Temple represented me, and then six years later, he is representing the prosecutions case to keep Bamber in jail for the rest of his life - I feel let down, and it makes me feel like I let Jeremy down by confiding so much information in Temple, QC, about his case, when all along Temple was simply using me to find out all he could about Jeremys approach to any forthcoming appeal - it's disgusting...
What I am saying, is that it was / is inappropriate for Victor Temple, QC, to represent me, and seek to illicit information from me about Bambers case, in confidence, and them help to get me convicted as part of the plan to try and discredit me, and send Bamber to a life in custody, by successfully opposing his 2002 apeal...
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Why would a QC, based in London (Temple Chambers) want to represent me, on a burglary charge, where £25,000 of silverware was reportedly stolen, from a retired judges house
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Why would a QC, based in London (Temple Chambers) want to represent me, on a burglary charge, where £25,000 of silverware was reportedly stolen, from a retired judges house
It doesn't sound right at all.
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It doesn't sound right at all.
More importantly...
why did Temple, QC, ignore the fact that a judge entered my plea at arraignment, despite the fact that according to the law, he (judge) could not do such a thing?
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More importantly...
why did Temple, QC, ignore the fact that a judge entered my plea at arraignment, despite the fact that according to the law, he (judge) could not do such a thing?
Hi Mike
But your plea was "not guilty" so what frikkin difference did it make to the outcome?
jim
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Hi Mike
But your plea was "not guilty" so what frikkin difference did it make to the outcome?
jim
Stop being stupid, I didn't enter a plea...
Get your facts right...
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Stop being stupid, I didn't enter a plea...
Get your facts right...
hi mike
But the plea entered by the Judge was 'not guilty' so what frikkin difference did it make to the outcome?
Jim
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hi mike
But the plea entered by the Judge was 'not guilty' so what frikkin difference did it make to the outcome?
Jim
The law is, a judge cannot enter a plea on behalf of a defendant, that is the law, I didn't make the law up, the judge himself said after legal arguments were made in open court (transcripted because of the serious nature with which the judge flouted the law), he said that if I should go on to be tried and convicted then I would have a valid ground of appeal, and the convictions would no doubt be quashed, so there it is, a judge making the law up as he goes along, an utter disgrace, and that just about sums up the state of the criminal justice system, and all its agencies, they do what they want, and if your on the receiving end, you ain't got jack shit of a chance of getting any justice, its a closed shop, a nod, a wink, a funny handshake, and afterwards, its to the club and free drinks all around, and then its, bring on the next victim, please...
You wouldn't know because you have never been on the receiving end of this corrupted, outdated, system, or anything criminal those who work in it, get up to...
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The law is a judge cannot enter a plea on behalf of a defendant, that is the law, I didn't make the law up, the judge himself said after legal arguments were made in open court (transcripted because of the serious nature with which the judge flouted the law), he said that if I should go on to be tried and convicted then I would have a valid ground of appeal, and the convictions would no doubt be quashed, so there it is, a judge making the law up as he goes along, an utter disgrace, and that just about sums up the state of the criminal justice system, and all its agencies, they do what they want, and if your on the receiving end, you ain't got jack shit of a chance of getting any justice, its a closed shop, a nod, a wink, a funny handshake, and afterwards, its to the club and free drinks all around, and then its, bring on the next victim, please...
You wouldn't know because you have never been on the receiving end of this corrupted, outdated, system, or anything criminal those who work in it, get up to...
You wouldn't know how it feels from the position of someone who was / or is, a victim of a miscarriagge of justice...
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A trial is only legal if certain procedures are followed to the letter of the law, unless your case is a miscarriage of justice, then the twats do what they want...
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A trial is only legal if certain procedures are followed to the letter of the law, unless your case is a miscarriage of justice, then the twats do what they want...
They lie, they fabricate, they are bias - all in the game to promote the Criminal justice system, and those who act corruptly and dishonestly in its name...
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They lie, they fabricate, they are bias - all in the game to promote the Criminal justice system, and those who act corruptly and dishonestly in its name...
Hi Mike
Well imo JB was wrongfully convicted and I've no doubt that justice will eventually be served. Lets hope as a result a radical overhaul of the justice system is carried out. If so you will have played a significant part in bringing about the long overdue change by promoting what is imo the greatest ever MoJ the country has ever known :) Keep banging the drums ;D
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I could not believe that I ended up convicted at my trial in 1994, when Victor Temple represented me, and then six years later, he is representing the prosecutions case to keep Bamber in jail for the rest of his life - I feel let down, and it makes me feel like I let Jeremy down by confiding so much information in Temple, QC, about his case, when all along Temple was simply using me to find out all he could about Jeremys approach to any forthcoming appeal - it's disgusting...
Very confused about how you discussed Bamber with Temple in 1988 (as in the thread title) or in 1994 (as in the post above) when you didn't know Bamber in 1988?
Temple represented the crown in 2002 appeal which is eight years from '94, not 6.
You were rightly acquitted in one case but was convincted of the other. Are you saying that both were miscarriages of justice? Were you not arrested whilst on bail prior to appeal of the first case?
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Hi Mike
Well imo JB was wrongfully convicted and I've no doubt that justice will eventually be served. Lets hope as a result a radical overhaul of the justice system is carried out. If so you will have played a significant part in bringing about the long overdue change by promoting what is imo the greatest ever MoJ the country has ever known :) Keep banging the drums ;D
Hi,
I agree with you that the so called Bamber debacle is arguably the worst miscarriage of justice case ever...
I only have around 50,000 documents relating to the file, many of which I have not got around to reading properly, can you begin to imagine all the material currently withheld under pii, in the so called interests of justice - exactly what does the state mean by its reference to "in the interests of justice"? Who's interests, and, what sort of justice? You only have to read the shorthand (typed) notes from Jeremys 2002 appeal, and compare what was said in the submissions, and how that panel of judges made it clear right from the word go, that there was no prospect of them considering any impropriety on the part of the police in his case, and then compare all of this against the content of the court judgement (2002) itself, to realize that "bias" played a significant role, in Bambers appeal being rejected...
It's disgusting, utterley deplorable, if your cards marked "you don't stand a cat in hells chance of receiving a fair trial", or "of ever getting a fair appeal" - even if you are lucky enough to get someone to represent your interests, someone who will not take "no" for an answer, even if the evidence is there to prove the case against you was / is a false one, and the court of appeal finds itself backed into a corner, it can always implement a "proviso", to prevent a case being heard in a higher court. They are full of shit, crooks, liars, and Conspirators...
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They decide what is inadmissable, what is admissable, they decide what is hearsay, and what is not hearsay, they decide if evidence is an opinion of fact, or not an opinion of fact, they decide what is allowed in as evidence, and what is kept out, they operate in a circle of lies, but pretend that what they do occurs within a circle of truth, criminals the lot of them, dispicable examples of human beings, they lie, they fabricate, and serve the devil, which is the State - demons work for the agencies of the State, you cannot trust them to do anyone, any good. Beware when they are about and have you in thier sights, because should that occur, life will never be the same again for you...
You will not be who you thought you were, you will not be where you think you are, you,ll be "as good as dead", no-one will hear your shouts of protestations and cries, you will be be beyond help, then and only then will you know the one thing that matters to you until the last breath leaves your body, not until no more sight can be seen through thine eyes, right up to the last faint beat of your heart, will you find peace, until then you will always be a victim, just another miscarriage of justice...
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When did you meet bamber and wasn't it after 1988?
If you're a self confessed 'Career criminal', but on two occasions you imply a MOJ, then are you a criminal at all?
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In my opinion, Temple should not have taken the post of opposing Bambers 2002 appeal, because he sounded me out about things Bamber and me knew were wrong with the police case built up to help convict Jeremy - I was under the impression that Temple was prepared to try and help Bamber, but all along Temple threw me to the wolves in 1994, and set about helping to keep Bamber in jail for the rest of his life in 2002...
I was betrayed by Temple, QC, So was Jeremy...
"at sunt daemonia Civitatis institutionum"
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In my opinion, Temple should not have taken the post of opposing Bambers 2002 appeal, because he sounded me out about things Bamber and me knew were wrong with the police case built up to help convict Jeremy - I was under the impression that Temple was prepared to try and help Bamber, but all along Temple threw me to the wolves in 1994, and set about helping to keep Bamber in jail for the rest of his life in 2002...
I was betrayed by Temple, QC, So was Jeremy...
I will never forget the lessons I learned at the hands of the devils and demons who work in the name of State agencies, I know what I know, I do not need anyone to speak for me, what I say comes from the heart...
"at sunt daemonia Civitatis institutionum"
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I will never forget the lessons I learned at the hands of the devils and demons who work in the name of State agencies, I know what I know, I do not need anyone to speak for me, what I say comes from the heart...
"at sunt daemonia Civitatis institutionum"
So I ask again. Did you know bamber in 1988 when you were represented by Temple?
Do you consider both your convictions to be miscarriages of justice?
How many times have you been convicted when it wasn't a miscarriage of justice?
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Three different silencers at court during the trial, but defence and jury only knew about one of them, the one supposedly bearing an exhibit reference of SBJ/1 - it later transpires that silencers involved in the investigations had three separate exhibit references, SBJ/1, DB/1 and DRB/1. You do not have to be a brain surgeon to be able to work it out that the other two silencers brought covertly to the court where the trial was taking place, were / are the other two silencers in the equation, SBJ/1 and DB/1...
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In my opinion, Temple should not have taken the post of opposing Bambers 2002 appeal, because he sounded me out about things Bamber and me knew were wrong with the police case built up to help convict Jeremy - I was under the impression that Temple was prepared to try and help Bamber, but all along Temple threw me to the wolves in 1994, and set about helping to keep Bamber in jail for the rest of his life in 2002...
I was betrayed by Temple, QC, So was Jeremy...
"at sunt daemonia Civitatis institutionum"
Hi Mike
I'm a tad confused and would welcome your clarification
Did Temple represent you in 1988?
Did Temple represent you in 1994?
In which year did you first meet Jeremy?
In what way, did Temple throw you to the wolves in 1994?
When did Temple sound you out?
What did you inform Temple on the occasion that he sounded you out?
jim
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Hi Mike
I'm a tad confused and would welcome your clarification
Did Temple represent you in 1988?
Did Temple represent you in 1994?
In which year did you first meet Jeremy?
In what way, did Temple throw you to the wolves in 1994?
When did Temple sound you out?
What did you inform Temple on the occasion that he sounded you out?
jim
Temple represented me in connection with the burglary of the retired judges house in Derbyshire, an offence committed by Gordon Stanton (Cardinal) on 9th July 1991, for which I was remanded into custody for on the following day (10th July1991), and stood trial for in late 1994 - He represented me at this trial, whilst Michael Mansfield, QC, represented me at my appeal...
We had conferences pretrial and it was during these meetings that Bamber cropped up, since it was potentially part of my defence that police had singled me out, because police had been arrested and charged with offences of Perjury, forgery, and conspiracy to pervert the course of justice in one of my earlier cases, and because I had been operating before my latest arrest as Jeremy Bambers McKensie man, trying to promote the injustices of his case...
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You'd disturbed a hornets nest you see,Mike.
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Temple represented me in connection with the burglary of the retired judges house in Derbyshire, an offence committed by Gordon Stanton (Cardinal) on 9th July 1991, for which I was remanded into custody for on the following day (10th July1991), and stood trial for in late 1994 - He represented me at this trial, whilst Michael Mansfield, QC, represented me at my appeal...
We had conferences pretrial and it was during these meetings that Bamber cropped up, since it was potentially part of my defence that police had singled me out, because police had been arrested and charged with offences of Perjury, forgery, and conspiracy to pervert the course of justice in one of my earlier cases, and because I had been operating before my latest arrest as Jeremy Bambers McKensie man, trying to promote the injustices of his case...
Hi Mike
But this thread relates to Temple representing you in 1988 (that's what it refers to above my last post). Is that correct and when did you first meet Jeremy?
Jim