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OTHER HIGH PROFILE CASES => Other cases => Topic started by: nugnug on November 14, 2012, 02:00:PM
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lord macalpine was wrongly identified from a photo shown to 3 abuse victims we now know the man in the photo is not lord macalpine so who is he.
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Nug Nug, Evening all,- this is a tricky question.
Lord McAlpine's name was put in the frame on the Internet, despite an injunction being in place.
A photograph of him was shown to Mr Messhum who, in horror, said:- 'No that is not the man' !
Until then, as I understand it, no photograph had been shown to Mr Messhum.
More recently, the name now being bandied about on the Internet, is that of the late, fabulously wealthy, 'Jimmie', he of the King Zog's Hispano-SuiZa motor car fame( only 4miles/gall)
'Jimmie' who died in 1991, was some 34 years older than AlIstair, whom Margaret Thatcher had ennobled as Lord McAlpine of West Green.
There is, or was, another of the McAlpine clan, a few years younger than the said AlIstair.
His name was The Hon AlAstair B McAlpine - 'The Third Man'. IMO the Authorities know the identity of the actual culprit, and maybe they are prevaricating.
I cannot trace the said Hon AlAstair, possibly he changed his name and went to Canada, or further afield.
Can anyone else throw more light on this mystery?
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lord maclpine wasnt a household name i doubt if anyone from welsh childrens home would know who he was
so i certainly don't think they made it up.
so as we know it wasnt him i think it must of been somebody pretending to be him.
and whoever the abuser was the knew lord macalpine or knew of him.
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Nug Nug, Evening all,- this is a tricky question.
Lord McAlpine's name was put in the frame on the Internet, despite an injunction being in place.
A photograph of him was shown to Mr Messhum who, in horror, said:- 'No that is not the man' !
Until then, as I understand it, no photograph had been shown to Mr Messhum.
More recently, the name now being bandied about on the Internet, is that of the late, fabulously wealthy, 'Jimmie', he of the King Zog's Hispano-SuiZa motor car fame( only 4miles/gall)
'Jimmie' who died in 1991, was some 34 years older than AlIstair, whom Margaret Thatcher had ennobled as Lord McAlpine of West Green.
There is, or was, another of the McAlpine clan, a few years younger than the said AlIstair.
His name was The Hon AlAstair B McAlpine - 'The Third Man'. IMO the Authorities know the identity of the actual culprit, and maybe they are prevaricating.
I cannot trace the said Hon AlAstair, possibly he changed his name and went to Canada, or further afield.
Can anyone else throw more light on this mystery?
are so there saying its a different lord macalpine.
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Campion from the articles I have read, they report that Mr Messham was shown a photograph by the police in the early 90's, the police also named the man in the photograph as Lord McAlpine, the victim confirmed the man in the picture was his abuser.
For many years Mr Messham lived with the belief that the man who abused him as a child, was a man named Lord McAlpine, the name which was given to him by the police.
It wasnt until lately that Mr Messham was shown another photograph, of the real Lord McAlpine, and Mr Messham said, it was not the same man.
This has been an error on the part of the police IMO.
Here is an article that I was reading earlier, this article also reports that Mr Messham was shown 2 photographs, one in the early 90's and another last week.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-20314104
I wonder if the photograph that was first shown to Mr Messham is still available in a filing cabinet somewhere?
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the qustion is why did the police think it was lord macalpine.
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the qustion is why did the police think it was lord macalpine.
I think they need to track this policeman down.
Perhaps Lord McAlpine could use his powers to help himself and Mr Messham get to the bottom of this mess.
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i think it must of been somebody who knew lord maclipine.
maybe not that well but i think he must of known him.
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Oncesaid & Nugnug,
As I understand it, the Lords McAlpine are/were :
Lord McAlpine of West Green
'' '' of Newarthill
'' '' of Marchweil
'' '' of Knott Park
There may be more. Some are for life, some are hereditary. All emanate from 'Concrete Bob'.
I have read that an abuser was sleeping in the apartment in the hotel at Wrexham, whereupon the young lad availed himself of documents of identification.
See if you can ascertain any more info about Al-a-stair B McAlpine.His first marriage was to a Miss Winchester. Not a shotgun wedding LOL.
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Oh, so the policeman may not have given the wrong name to Mr Messham after all.
This could have been easily cleared up if Mr Messham was shown the photograph before they aired the programme.
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wel wel know this guy wore after shave drove a rollsroyce and stayed in a hotel in wrexam.
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Oncesaid & Nugnug,
As I understand it, the Lords McAlpine are/were :
Lord McAlpine of West Green
'' '' of Newarthill
'' '' of Marchweil
'' '' of Knott Park
There may be more. Some are for life, some are hereditary. All emanate from 'Concrete Bob'.
I have read that an abuser was sleeping in the apartment in the hotel at Wrexham, whereupon the young lad availed himself of documents of identification.
See if you can ascertain any more info about Al-a-stair B McAlpine.His first marriage was to a Miss Winchester. Not a shotgun wedding LOL.
Ann Margaret Winchester is the daughter of Major Bernard N Winchester. 2 She and Alastair Bertram McAlpine were divorced.1 She married Alastair Bertram McAlpine, son of Archibald Douglas McAlpine and Diana Christina Dunscombe Plummer, on 6 May 1968.1
Only.1 Oxon.1 Her married name became McAlpine. She lived Long Hanborough.1
Citations
1.[S37] Charles Mosley, editor, Burke's Peerage, Baronetage & Knightage, 107th edition, 3 volumes (Wilmington, Delaware, U.S.A.: Burke's Peerage (Genealogical Books) Ltd, 2003), volume 2, page 2448. Hereinafter cited as Burke's Peerage and Baronetage, 107th edition.
2.[S37] Charles Mosley, Burke's Peerage and Baronetage, 107th edition.
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Oncesaid & Nugnug,
See if you can ascertain any more info about Al-a-stair B McAlpine.His first marriage was to a Miss Winchester. Not a shotgun wedding LOL.
Alastair Bertram McAlpine was born on 23 April 1946.4 He is the son of Archibald Douglas McAlpine and Diana Christina Dunscombe Plummer.2,3 He and Ann Margaret Winchester were divorced.4 He married, firstly, Ann Margaret Winchester, daughter of Major Bernard N Winchester, on 6 May 1968.4 He married, secondly, Dena Brooking Thomas, daughter of Ralph Brooking Thomas and Geraldine Dulcie Macgowan, in 1994.1
Citations
1.[S37] Charles Mosley, editor, Burke's Peerage, Baronetage & Knightage, 107th edition, 3 volumes (Wilmington, Delaware, U.S.A.: Burke's Peerage (Genealogical Books) Ltd, 2003), volume 1, page 995. Hereinafter cited as Burke's Peerage and Baronetage, 107th edition.
2.[S37] Charles Mosley, Burke's Peerage and Baronetage, 107th edition, volume 1, page 994.
3.[S37] Charles Mosley, Burke's Peerage and Baronetage, 107th edition.
4.[S37] Charles Mosley, Burke's Peerage and Baronetage, 107th edition, volume 2, page 2448.
Dena Brooking Thomas was born on 9 March 1946.1 She is the daughter of Ralph Brooking Thomas and Geraldine Dulcie Macgowan.2 She married Alastair Bertram McAlpine, son of Archibald Douglas McAlpine and Diana Christina Dunscombe Plummer, in 1994.1
From 1994, her married name became McAlpine.1 She lived in 2003 at Flat 5, 65 Cadogan Gardens, London, England.1
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now i dont think the police in north wales had it in for lord macilpine i doubt if the average welsh copper would even know who he was so we can rule out a conspiracy against him.
so that just leaves a genuine mistake but its funny mistake to make.
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Campion, is Al-a-stair B McAlpine, not the person who was wrongly accused?.
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http://tompride.wordpress.com/2012/11/14/steven-messham-is-not-just-a-child-abuse-victim-hes-a-hero/
this may shed some light on the matter.
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Goodmorning Oncesaid, I cannot say. Perhaps North Wales Police can help us here.
We do now know for sure, that it was not Al-i-stair, later ennobled as Lord McAlpine of West Green.
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Re previous post, it may be that a passport was purloined, which would have had a photo of the p
erson.
Re the article you posted, nugnug, I had read it- The Can of Worms by The Slog, -very succinct except the referrence to 'Jimmie'.
'David Rose ?', reporter is connected to the illustrious sleuth, Mick Gradwell (Jersey A buse Scandal). One report said he is a killer. Seems farfetched to me. There is an alleged picture of him, seems youngish.
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theres a lot of dispute over who david rose i don't think that's his real name.
i think its pseudonym used by journalists when they don't want something coming back on them
the qustion is do the daily mail actully know who is.
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2012/nov/06/welsh-childrens-home-inquiry-abuse
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http://incubusblog.wordpress.com/2012/11/12/lord-mcalpines-paedophile-cousin/
here maybe a clue.
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i think all this talk about lawsuits is going to backfire on macalpine big time.
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http://incubusblog.wordpress.com/2012/11/12/947/
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) Morning Nugnug, - Re your Post #22,
Really interesting,
as Steve Davies was wont to say!
Who is behind ( funding ) the journalist David Rose, connected to Mick Gradwell, on his 'Damage Limitation' exercise in character assassination, and public misinformation policy?
BTW - the pronunciation of the two Christian names proferred earlier:-
Al-i-stair would be Pronounced 'ALLYSTER,
Al-a-stair '' '' '' 'ALLERSTAIR
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Morning campion yes I agree one hundred percent with your post to nugnug infact could not have worded it better myself :)
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theres talk on twitter of campaign to raise money so Steve messum can sue if that comes to anything we will will find out who david rose is.
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The reportage in the Daily Mail and MOS by 'David Rose', Bob Wooffinden, Richard Webster, and Mick Gradwell, are to be considered vis-a-vis, with matters concerning dis-, or misinformatin of the cases of Jeremy Bamber, Jersey Child Abuse, and the North Wales Inquiry/Tribunal.
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wolfingdon lent it a bit of credibility to star witht because his reputation.
i almost believed some of his and Websters claims to start with but on reflection there ridiculous.
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dispite all his threats lord macalpine does not have a good record on sueing people.
http://theneedleblog.wordpress.com/2012/11/16/mcalpine-has-never-sued-anyone-over-paedophile-allegations/
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Nugnug & Oncesaid, From David Icke's Forum, a further Lord McAlpine is apparent. The Baron McAlpine of Moffat, knighted in 1963, had his seat at Medmenham Monastery, home of the British section of the 'Hell-fire Club. His name was (Robert) Edwin. He has/had a son who was/ is a film maker! He is quoted as being Lord Robert Al-i-stair.
If you haven't already read this, I am sure it will be of interest. 'NICK DAVIES of The Guardian', appearing in October 1997 - Secrecy Imposed on case of Alleged Child Abuse- News and Feature- about the Waterhouse Tribunal, its RESTRICTIONS regarding the participants.
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if found the old scallywag articall last night and it was considrebly worse than anything the bbc said why dident he sue them.
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Ma cher Susan, How is the Poledancing going? What height or grade are you at?
I have consulted Wikipedia on Medmenham. RAF Medmenham was the home to photographic intelligence, a sister organisation to Bletchley Park. The Fleming bros worked there (007).
I would also recommend for your edification, an article in the New Dawn MagaZine by MICHAEL HOWARD- The British Occult Secret Service (BOSS), in Red Ice Creations. I found of particular interest, the plot to silence the spiritualist medium, Helen Duncan(qv) by imprisoning her,
under the Witchcraft Act of 1736.
It is not beyond the realms of the machinations of EP, that this Act might have been reactivated for the perprtrator(s) of the WHF murders LOL.
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Hello Mr. campion how are you today my young man just back from a ramble through the heather with my wee Highland laddie and feel very refreshed. I work on a 3m pole but not quite as often as I use to do not as young as I use to be. Not into witchcraft so cannot help with your theory with Essex police I do read the tea leaves not for profit just as a hobby so if you are ever round my way call in for a reading and a Highland welcome :)
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well i never.
http://theneedleblog.wordpress.com/2012/11/15/well-i-never/
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full transcript of laord macplines interview.
http://theneedleblog.wordpress.com/2012/11/17/could-lord-mcalpine-be-charged-with-being-an-accessory-after-the-fact/It%20is%20extraordinary%20%E2%80%93%20do%20you%20have%20any%20idea%20how%20that%20could%20have%20happened?%20I%20mean%20it%20seems%20an%20extraordinary%20story.
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April 1, Thankyou for your message. I note what you say.
Nugnug, your latest snippet, post #33, I find mind-boggling. That's my MP's paedophillaic step-brother they're referring to!
No wonder there are so many sheets of 'D' Notices flying about, hopefully they will eventually signify 'D' Day.
Can you folk recall the Baker Street Bank (Lloyds) robbery in 1971? It's the Walkie Talkie Heist.
Fetch up Blackcabforum, and listen to the 4min tape. The voices sound more like MI5 operatives, than East End gangsters. Could this be why there is still a 'D' Notice applicable?
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that may explian some of his comments on the matter.
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http://theneedleblog.wordpress.com/2012/11/16/what-was-going-on-in-strathclyde-in-the-1950s-and-60s/
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a very interesting point made here.
http://theneedleblog.wordpress.com/2012/11/17/could-lord-mcalpine-be-charged-with-being-an-accessory-after-the-fact/
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Nugnug, Please refer to 'Justice Denied', dated Sun 11-11-12 :-
''Is David Rose who vilified Messham, linked to paedophiles? - It shows smug David Rose pose!
Rose is a fixer (for the more Conservative parts of the Establishment), using spin, dis information and pure lies. He is also linked to Special Branch and 'Dirty Tricks'
His history goes back to supporting WMD, and the mysterious demise of Dr David Kelly.
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it might be worth be mentioning that it was just one person who accused he was accused by several people.
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it seems david rose is getting a bit sensitive about this i mean why is he bothering to reply to an accusation made by david icke.
i mean most people wouldn't bother.
http://t.co/4qADL9Jm
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looks like certan people arnt going to back down there going to fight it if he trys to sue.
the speakers wife seems to be one of them.
http://theneedleblog.wordpress.com/2012/11/18/3102/
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david rose seems to be feeling the heat now.
http://tompride.wordpress.com/2012/11/20/the-death-of-satire-the-mails-david-rose-complains-about-being-smeared/
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Affirmative, Nugnug - Keep him on hold in the kitchen.
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funny lord maclpines threatening to sue everybody except north wales police hes original accusers.
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this is maclpines solicter.
http://theneedleblog.wordpress.com/2012/11/19/andrew-reids-petting-zoo/
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Nugnug, really interesting! One did chuckle over the problem of suing the proprietor/owner of the unlicenced,uninsured, and illegal Petting Zoo. Especially so if one gets Polly Peck-ed by Rivlin the Parrot.
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i really loved his threat to kill all the animals if he dident get his own way.
what a nice man.
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amd heres macalpines rather dodgy pr firm.
http://www.prweek.com/uk/news/1160809/mcalpine-putting-tweeters-alert-hailed-watershed-moment/
if you type his name in to google you will see why i say dodgy,
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amd heres macalpines rather dodgy pr firm.
http://www.prweek.com/uk/news/1160809/mcalpine-putting-tweeters-alert-hailed-watershed-moment/
if you type his name in to google you will see why i say dodgy,
Are you referring to Wikipedia manipulation?
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yes thats what i am talking about.
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talking of wiki tampering look whats happened to derek lauds entry he once had loads of important friends now he has none poor old derrick.
http://theneedleblog.wordpress.com/2012/11/13/has-derek-laud-been-unfriended/
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Nugnug, Google at Scrapper Duncan Roy-'philosopher,fire-eater, barrister, careering through life'.
So who is the only plagiarising blogger, who has as yet, removed his offending reiteration?
So the question still remains- 'Who's the man in the photograph, which was shown by North Wales Police investigators?
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yes i read the blog im not sure what the guy was talking about really though.
the police thought it was macalpine but how would the average welsh plod know who lord macalpine was i mean he was only known to political insiders.
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yes i read the blog im not sure what the guy was talking about really though.
the police thought it was macalpine but how would the average welsh plod know who lord macalpine was i mean he was only known to political insiders.
Who has the money to sue all those people. The average person would have to put up with it.
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thats an empty threat i think i dont think he has grounds to sue anybody.
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http://google-law.blogspot.co.uk/2012/11/twitter-mcalpine-is-bluffing-thats-why.html?spref=tw
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this is the art his lordship likes to collect.
http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/05/16/1052885405797.html
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after reading the waterhouse report im satisfied it was jimmy macalpine case closed.
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Nugnug, No Case is not closed unless there is a superinjunction on it.
BTW, Do you think 'trendy' Sally in our Alley qualified for legal aid ?
Peter Carter-R uck is not a cheap jackstraw man libel lawyer.
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we her case is that she dident actually call him a pedophile she just asked why he was trending witch can hardly be libel.
how can asking a qustion be libel.