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JEREMY BAMBER CASE => Jeremy Bamber Case Discussion => Topic started by: mike tesko on September 09, 2012, 04:40:PM

Title: Deaths were still being treated as suspicious at time of Cremations...
Post by: mike tesko on September 09, 2012, 04:40:PM
The deaths of the three adult victims, Ralph Bamber, June Bamber, and Sheila Caffell, were still being investigated as suspicious deaths on the date thier bodies were cremated:-
Title: Re: Deaths were still being treated as suspicious at time of Cremations...
Post by: tonyb on September 09, 2012, 08:20:PM
The deaths of the three adult victims, Ralph Bamber, June Bamber, and Sheila Caffell, were still being investigated as suspicious deaths on the date thier bodies were cremated:-
I've always thought this strange. Assuming SC was the killer,why were the other 4 cremated?
Whose clever idea was that?
Title: Re: Deaths were still being treated as suspicious at time of Cremations...
Post by: mertol22 on September 09, 2012, 08:29:PM
A cremation can be stopped but it takes a very good reason to.
Title: Re: Deaths were still being treated as suspicious at time of Cremations...
Post by: tonyb on September 09, 2012, 08:36:PM
A cremation can be stopped but it takes a very good reason to.
I've always been under the impression murder victims have to be buried,not cremated,in case of the need for additional autopsy?
Title: Re: Deaths were still being treated as suspicious at time of Cremations...
Post by: guest154 on September 09, 2012, 08:37:PM
I've always been under the impression murder victims have to be buried,not cremated,in case of the need for additional autopsy?

..No.  :-\
Title: Re: Deaths were still being treated as suspicious at time of Cremations...
Post by: tonyb on September 09, 2012, 08:42:PM
..No.  :-\
Shame.
Title: Re: Deaths were still being treated as suspicious at time of Cremations...
Post by: Jane on September 09, 2012, 08:43:PM
I've always been under the impression murder victims have to be buried,not cremated,in case of the need for additional autopsy?


I was under the same impression, as were others I assume, because there was a local sense of disbelief at the cremations.
Title: Re: Deaths were still being treated as suspicious at time of Cremations...
Post by: vidvic on September 10, 2012, 02:21:AM
An issue which the Boutflours and Eatons put very strongly to bamber at the time, as they all believed their wish was to be buried. Bamber insisted on cremation. Hence the twins were buried, as it was up to Colin.
Title: Re: Deaths were still being treated as suspicious at time of Cremations...
Post by: mike tesko on September 10, 2012, 05:24:AM
Its easy to blame Jeremy for everything...

Fact is Police could have prevented the cremations from taking place because of behind the scenes activities taking place and going on - the bodies would need to be rexamined again in the event that someone got arrested and charged with all five murders. It simply is not good enough for the police to say that all the necessary tests had been carried out on the bodies of the cremated victims before the cremations took place - look what has happened with all the evidence the police obtained when they had control of the bodies? They have tampered with and withheld so much information it beggars belief. If the bodies had not been cremated the defence would have been able to commission thier own exprrts to examine the corpses rather than having to rely upon expert witnesses who based thier opinion on the police expert opinion...
Title: Re: Deaths were still being treated as suspicious at time of Cremations...
Post by: mike tesko on September 10, 2012, 07:37:AM
An issue which the Boutflours and Eatons put very strongly to bamber at the time, as they all believed their wish was to be buried. Bamber insisted on cremation. Hence the twins were buried, as it was up to Colin.

So, we have the relatives strongly suspecting Jeremy as being the killer, relatives who prior to the cremations taking place of having already made several visits to the police station to voice thier concerns to senior officers that Sheila couldn't have done it, and that Jeremy was the killer, relatives who had already found a bloodstained/paint contaminated silencer in a gun cupboard, who are asking Jeremy not to cremate the bodies, and when he refuses the suggestion, the relatives do nothing, they don't kick up a fuss at all, or make any representations at all to the police, that in support of thier belief that Jeremy was/is the killer, that by allowing the cremations to go ahead, jeremy is disposing of the bodies to prevent further tests being carried out on them?

Relatives then meekly atrend the funerals, and only find fault enough to query who the weirdo's in the front pews were?

Oh yeah...

Pull the other leg, its got bells on...

Title: Re: Deaths were still being treated as suspicious at time of Cremations...
Post by: vidvic on September 10, 2012, 08:49:AM
So, we have the relatives strongly suspecting Jeremy as being the killer, relatives who prior to the cremations taking place of having already made several visits to the police station to voice thier concerns to senior officers that Sheila couldn't have done it, and that Jeremy was the killer, relatives who had already found a bloodstained/paint contaminated silencer in a gun cupboard, who are asking Jeremy not to cremate the bodies, and when he refuses the suggestion, the relatives do nothing, they don't kick up a fuss at all, or make any representations at all to the police, that in support of thier belief that Jeremy was/is the killer, that by allowing the cremations to go ahead, jeremy is disposing of the bodies to prevent further tests being carried out on them?

Relatives then meekly atrend the funerals, and only find fault enough to query who the weirdo's in the front pews were?

Oh yeah...

Pull the other leg, its got bells on...

How do you know they did nothing?! I appreciate your loathing for the relatives but talking about them in this manner and consistently treating them with utter contempt will not advance your case.
Title: Re: Deaths were still being treated as suspicious at time of Cremations...
Post by: mike tesko on September 10, 2012, 09:54:AM
How do you know they did nothing?! I appreciate your loathing for the relatives but talking about them in this manner and consistently treating them with utter contempt will not advance your case.

Try and find out what David Boutflour did with the flake of blood he scraped off the silencer when he tampered with it? Jury ought to have been told all about this...
Title: Re: Deaths were still being treated as suspicious at time of Cremations...
Post by: Bridget on September 10, 2012, 10:02:AM
Try and find out what David Boutflour did with the flake of blood he scraped off the silencer when he tampered with it? Jury ought to have been told all about this...

Glad you brought that up again, what makes you say he scraped it off? He actually says that there was a blob thick enough to be scraped off, not that he actually did it.
Title: Re: Deaths were still being treated as suspicious at time of Cremations...
Post by: mike tesko on September 10, 2012, 12:19:PM
Glad you brought that up again, what makes you say he scraped it off? He actually says that there was a blob thick enough to be scraped off, not that he actually did it.

Read this, and provide answers...
Title: Re: Deaths were still being treated as suspicious at time of Cremations...
Post by: mike tesko on September 10, 2012, 12:29:PM
Read this:-
Title: Re: Deaths were still being treated as suspicious at time of Cremations...
Post by: mike tesko on September 10, 2012, 12:54:PM
We demand a public explanation, or there should be an independant police investigation carried out with the purpose of getting to the full truth:-
Title: Re: Deaths were still being treated as suspicious at time of Cremations...
Post by: lookout on September 10, 2012, 12:59:PM
I quite agree,Mike,as it appears he wasn't altogether honest.
Title: Re: Deaths were still being treated as suspicious at time of Cremations...
Post by: tonyb on September 10, 2012, 01:34:PM
I quite agree,Mike,as it appears he wasn't altogether honest.
If so, I imagine he isnt the only one
Title: Re: Deaths were still being treated as suspicious at time of Cremations...
Post by: Bridget on September 10, 2012, 02:53:PM
Read this, and provide answers...

Pretty pictures Mike, but nailing your replies to a gate post doesn't make them any the more valid. I've read DB's COLP statements. He does NOT say that he scraped the blood spot off.
Title: Re: Deaths were still being treated as suspicious at time of Cremations...
Post by: ngb1066 on September 10, 2012, 03:02:PM
Pretty pictures Mike, but nailing your replies to a gate post doesn't make them any the more valid. I've read DB's COLP statements. He does NOT say that he scraped the blood spot off.

What do you think happened to the blood? 

Title: Re: Deaths were still being treated as suspicious at time of Cremations...
Post by: mike tesko on September 10, 2012, 04:04:PM
Pretty pictures Mike, but nailing your replies to a gate post doesn't make them any the more valid. I've read DB's COLP statements. He does NOT say that he scraped the blood spot off.

which version of his statement have you read, handwritten version, or typed?
Title: Re: Deaths were still being treated as suspicious at time of Cremations...
Post by: Bridget on September 10, 2012, 06:23:PM
What do you think happened to the blood?

I'm not sure, but I seem to recall seeing a diagram drawn by the lab which had a blood stain in the position described. Or I might be dreaming lol. It's one of those things I've been meaning to research but just haven't had the time.
Title: Re: Deaths were still being treated as suspicious at time of Cremations...
Post by: Bridget on September 10, 2012, 06:24:PM
which version of his statement have you read, handwritten version, or typed?

Handwritten I think.
Title: Re: Deaths were still being treated as suspicious at time of Cremations...
Post by: mike tesko on September 10, 2012, 08:38:PM
Handwritten I think.

Can you post a cppy so evrryone can see the exact wording of it...
Title: Re: Deaths were still being treated as suspicious at time of Cremations...
Post by: Bridget on September 10, 2012, 08:40:PM
Can you post a cppy so evrryone can see the exact wording of it...

I will if I can find it, it's on here somewhere - Hartley posted the relevant page not that long ago.
Title: Re: Deaths were still being treated as suspicious at time of Cremations...
Post by: Bridget on September 10, 2012, 08:46:PM
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