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JEREMY BAMBER CASE => Jeremy Bamber Case Discussion => Topic started by: tyler on June 06, 2012, 12:44:AM
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In a statement to the Defence written after the trial Sheila's psychiatrist states that he was unaware of the psalms in the open pages of the Bible found by the body of Sheila. Dr Ferguson says the following: 'Having read the passages I can say that in my view they contain in them the themes, which over time, I knew were exercising Sheila Caffell. In short form, the struggle between good and evil or God and the Devil.
He also commented on the inscription (which he was also unaware of at trial) on a cupboard door in the twins room which bears the legend 'I hate this place.' He made the following comments 'Assuming Sheila Caffell wrote this inscription it would not have surprised me. Firstly, because of her immaturity which I had observed, and secondly that I had formed the impression that she was not always comfortable when staying at the farmhouse.
He also goes on 'Thirdly, I have been asked to consider a letter written by Colin Caffell, the estranged husband of Sheila, at a time, as it appeared, when Sheila had been discharged from my care in March 1985. I can confirm at the time of the trial I was wholly unaware of this letter or its contents. Having read this letter I am confident that had anyone chosen to question me in relation to its contents at trial, I would have certainly added to my evidence. . . . The letter (to Mr N Bamber) from Colin Caffell however, presents a possible scenario of which I was unaware, namely the possibility that Colin Caffell take over the full time care of the children from Sheila, and that he potentially sought to achieve this with the assistance of Nevill Bamber. This information in my view may have significance.
As I pointed out in evidence, I had formed the view that Nevill Bamber was seen by Sheila Caffell as a very secure, caring and a strong support in her life, and indeed I had recorded at the time that she saw him as mentor. On the hypothesis that Nevill Bamber had pleaded Colin Caffell's case, I would have been of the view at the time, and now, that this could have had a potentially catastrophic effect on Sheila Caffell and affected her from two points of view, firstly from the point of view of having her children removed from her care, and secondly from the point of view that she may have projected onto her father a concept of evil in which he had hitherto not been involved in her thought process.'
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Is that statement available here Tyler? When was it made?
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Just a quick reply....Colin does confirm in his book that Sheila wrote that message on the back of the wardrobe door... :) :)
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In a statement to the Defence written after the trial Sheila's psychiatrist states that he was unaware of the psalms in the open pages of the Bible found by the body of Sheila. Dr Ferguson says the following: 'Having read the passages I can say that in my view they contain in them the themes, which over time, I knew were exercising Sheila Caffell. In short form, the struggle between good and evil or God and the Devil.
He also commented on the inscription (which he was also unaware of at trial) on a cupboard door in the twins room which bears the legend 'I hate this place.' He made the following comments 'Assuming Sheila Caffell wrote this inscription it would not have surprised me. Firstly, because of her immaturity which I had observed, and secondly that I had formed the impression that she was not always comfortable when staying at the farmhouse.
He also goes on 'Thirdly, I have been asked to consider a letter written by Colin Caffell, the estranged husband of Sheila, at a time, as it appeared, when Sheila had been discharged from my care in March 1985. I can confirm at the time of the trial I was wholly unaware of this letter or its contents. Having read this letter I am confident that had anyone chosen to question me in relation to its contents at trial, I would have certainly added to my evidence. . . . The letter (to Mr N Bamber) from Colin Caffell however, presents a possible scenario of which I was unaware, namely the possibility that Colin Caffell take over the full time care of the children from Sheila, and that he potentially sought to achieve this with the assistance of Nevill Bamber. This information in my view may have significance.
As I pointed out in evidence, I had formed the view that Nevill Bamber was seen by Sheila Caffell as a very secure, caring and a strong support in her life, and indeed I had recorded at the time that she saw him as mentor. On the hypothesis that Nevill Bamber had pleaded Colin Caffell's case, I would have been of the view at the time, and now, that this could have had a potentially catastrophic effect on Sheila Caffell and affected her from two points of view, firstly from the point of view of having her children removed from her care, and secondly from the point of view that she may have projected onto her father a concept of evil in which he had hitherto not been involved in her thought process.'
"I hate this place" is a sign of desperation and possibly depression, but it's not evidence of psychosis.
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"I hate this place" is a sign of desperation and possibly depression, but it's not evidence of psychosis.
On request Mike posted a picture of this inscription and the letter which is being referred to sounds a lot like the hand written one that he also posted not long ago, it was about 6 pages long I believe and was very anti-june
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It would have appeared that Doctor Ferguson was " unaware " of a few things,,,namely,,, concerning his profession as a whole.
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Hi egap1 many thanks for that information on I Hate This Place I will proceed to 2002CoA :)
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Just had a quick trawl through Patti's posts, v. interesting ;D, and found her post above re Colin's confirmation that Sheila wrote the message "I hate this place" as stated in his book published in 1990.
Plse refer to 2002 CoA doc, ground 8, 392 - 404.
He says he walked around WHF when JB was in custody, he saw it and he thought he remembered seeing it previously but couldn't be sure, i haven't read him say that she definietly wrote it but he may do later
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Awww please don't make me go through the book......It has been a while since I read it and If memory serves me right he does mention the transcription and indicates that it was Sheila that had wrote those words "I HATE THIS PLACE"
:) :) :) :)
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Hi Patti how are you my gal. Just ask Bridget don,t go through the book again :) :) :)
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Awww please don't make me go through the book......It has been a while since I read it and If memory serves me right he does mention the transcription and indicates that it was Sheila that had wrote those words "I HATE THIS PLACE"
:) :) :) :)
I'm sure AJ will let us know if we need to slap your wrists :)
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Hi Patti how are you my gal. Just ask Bridget don,t go through the book again :) :) :)
..and yours..
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Hi Bridget think I should have just gone to Tesco,s do less damage there :)
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Hi Patti how are you my gal. Just ask Bridget don,t go through the book again :) :) :)
Lol..........I will when I see her, has she emigrated? Or is she waiting for me in the wings?
Horrible weather here in Yorkshire 21 flood alerts....I am selling dingy's on EBay, with free flippers... :) :) :)
Hi Susan :)
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Hi Patti Yorkshire is usually wet especially Hebden Bridge where I come from. I think Ajross is on your tail ;) Hi she is waiting ready to pounce as sharp as the Devil that one :)
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"I hate this place" is a sign of desperation and possibly depression, but it's not evidence of psychosis.
Hello Bob. I agree with what you say, but I also get the impression of a bored teenager having done battle with her parents and being told that she will be in by a certain time, or she can't go to that club, or she's not going out dressed like that. I sense anger and I have the impression of the words being gouged out, almost with the desire to stab. Given that Dr F. describes her a immature, I suppose it could have been Sheila at any age, saying what she felt.
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Hi Patti Yorkshire is usually wet especially Hebden Bridge where I come from. I think Ajross is on your tail ;) Hi she is waiting ready to pounce as sharp as the Devil that one :)
Hi Susan :)
Just had a quick look and can't find it......I will read it again....AJ might be right, but he might not....but I do know Colin mentions it....he mentions things several times and most of the time he was unsure about a lot of things....which is natural, due to his tragic circumstances....
Prince Charles was at Hebden Bridge today. ;) ;) ;) ;)
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Hi Patti How absolutely wonderful for Hebden Bridge to have Prince Charles drop in ;) Bet Bernard Ingham was around somewhere ;)
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Hello Bob. I agree with what you say, but I also get the impression of a bored teenager having done battle with her parents and being told that she will be in by a certain time, or she can't go to that club, or she's not going out dressed like that. I sense anger and I have the impression of the words being gouged out, almost with the desire to stab. Given that Dr F. describes her a immature, I suppose it could have been Sheila at any age, saying what she felt.
It had been carved into new paint so it couldn't be that old
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"I hate this place" is a sign of desperation and possibly depression, but it's not evidence of psychosis.
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Sheila was schitzophrenic and was known to have psychotic episodes and was being treated for that, so it's not such a stretch of the imagination to think she may have had episodes on other occasions and maybe on that night, especially considering her medication had been reduced.
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"I hate this place" is a sign of desperation and possibly depression, but it's not evidence of psychosis.
Sheila was schitzophrenic and was known to have psychotic episodes and was being treated for that, so it's not such a stretch of the imagination to think she may have had episodes on other occasions and maybe on that night, especially considering her medication had been reduced.
Hi lebaleb. It could also be a teenaged Sheila having a hissy fit.
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Hi Susan :)
Just had a quick look and can't find it......I will read it again....AJ might be right, but he might not....but I do know Colin mentions it....he mentions things several times and most of the time he was unsure about a lot of things....which is natural, due to his tragic circumstances....
Prince Charles was at Hebden Bridge today. ;) ;) ;) ;)
Are you talking about 'I hate this place'? If so i have typed the exact quote on the Book Review thread and it can be found on page 119
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Are you talking about 'I hate this place'? If so i have typed the exact quote on the Book Review thread and it can be found on page 119
Yes AJ I read your post and made a comment on it I think....did we not discuss this earlier? :) :)
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Yes AJ I read your post and made a comment on it I think....did we not discuss this earlier? :) :)
Yes, sorry, was getting my times and threads mixed up, probably my whiplash! :)