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JEREMY BAMBER CASE => Jeremy Bamber Case Discussion => Topic started by: BarefootDanC on November 17, 2025, 10:11:PM
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Was Sheila under-medicated?
I keep being told she was!
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Not according to the autopsy/toxicology report. Who do we believe? Supporters' wishful thinking, or pathologists' stated facts?
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Sheila had 15 ng/mL of haloperidol in her blood at the time of her death.
(https://s8.postimg.cc/48pic1zed/hal2.png)
According to a 1992 study "Haloperidol Blood Levels and Clinical Effects" They consider Haloperidol blood levels as follows -
low (2 to 13 ng/mL), medium (13.1 to 24 ng/mL), or high (24.1 to 35 ng/mL).
According to a 1980s study, heavy sedation is associated with levels in excess of 50ng/mL
(https://s8.postimg.cc/5nr30sfx1/hal3.png)
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Not according to the autopsy/toxicology report. Who do we believe? Supporters' wishful thinking, or pathologists' stated facts?
Guilter's wishful thinking did you mean Jane?
The person I spoke to who has PS and is doing well said halving the dose of a person with PS would be reckless.
He tells me of many cases of armed police being called to hospital when he was in their, I don't think people realize how rough it can get when someone with PS kicks off. Freddie had to call Nevil for help when Sheila let go, he was scared for his safety and she was unarmed at the time.
If she was a helpless lamb to the slaughter as Adam claims what was FA scared of?
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Guilter's wishful thinking did you mean Jane?
The person I spoke to who has PS and is doing well said halving the dose of a person with PS would be reckless.
He tells me of many cases of armed police being called to hospital when he was in their, I don't think people realize how rough it can get when someone with PS kicks off. Freddie had to call Nevil for help when Sheila let go, he was scared for his safety and she was unarmed at the time.
If she was a helpless lamb to the slaughter as Adam claims what was FA scared of?
Do you know, I'm sick to death of hearing how poor Freddie was "scared for his life"! Did she touch him? NO! Did she touch him? NO! Was she armed? YES! With a hairbrush, no less! She seems to have believed/may have believed? that she needed to be punished because she was hitting herself with it.
Hospitals are full of those whose frustrations are at boiling point. I don't imagine they're all uneducated PS.
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Do you know, I'm sick to death of hearing how poor Freddie was "scared for his life"! Did she touch him? NO! Did she touch him? NO! Was she armed? YES! With a hairbrush, no less! She seems to have believed/may have believed? that she needed to be punished because she was hitting herself with it.
Hospitals are full of those whose frustrations are at boiling point. I don't imagine they're all uneducated PS.
When was this?
If it was before Sheila went to hospital long term & started receiving Haldoperiodal, it is not really relevant.
Her Haldoperiodal had been reduced as it was probably making her bedbound. All reports leading up to the massacre confirm she was still very drowsy, weak & un cordinated.
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Do you know, I'm sick to death of hearing how poor Freddie was "scared for his life"! Did she touch him? NO! Did she touch him? NO! Was she armed? YES! With a hairbrush, no less! She seems to have believed/may have believed? that she needed to be punished because she was hitting herself with it.
Hospitals are full of those whose frustrations are at boiling point. I don't imagine they're all uneducated PS.
So why was Freddie scared! A slim petite female armed with a hairbrush? What would he have done had she been waving a rifle around!
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When was this?
If it was before Sheila went to hospital long term & started receiving Haldoperiodal, it is not really relevant.
Her Haldoperiodal had been reduced as it was probably making her bedbound. All reports leading up to the massacre confirm she was still very drowsy, weak & un cordinated.
You know very well when this was Adam, why do you waste everyones time!
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So why was Freddie scared! A slim petite female armed with a hairbrush? What would he have done had she been waving a rifle around!
Striking herself. Hitting the wall.
Sounds like it was before she was hospitalised & put onto Haldoperiodal.
A big leap to her shooting her children & parents while they slept. Months or years later.
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Striking herself. Hitting the wall.
Sounds like it was before she was hospitalised & put onto Haldoperiodal.
A big leap to her shooting her children & parents while they slept. Months or years later.
It was after her first hospital visit if I remember correctly.
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You know very well when this was Adam, why do you waste everyones time!
Please give me the date.
If you don't want to, let me know so I don't keep asking you.
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So why was Freddie scared! A slim petite female armed with a hairbrush? What would he have done had she been waving a rifle around!
I'm inclined to say he was a wimp! However, in fairness, she wasn't his responsibility. I guess he was between a rock and a hard place. As to your last question? How on earth would I know? Any answer would be speculative.
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Please give me the date.
If you don't want to, let me know so I don't keep asking you.
I don't want to go and look the actual date up about something you already know Adam and have posted about in the past.
It was just before her second stay in hospital.
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Striking herself. Hitting the wall.
Steadily losing it.
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Please give me the date.
If you don't want to, let me know so I don't keep asking you.
First admission to St. Andrew's: 4 August 1983
Second admission: 2 March 1985
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It was after her first hospital visit if I remember correctly.
I'm inclined to think it was prior to her second?
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I'm inclined to think it was prior to her second?
Yes, Jane.
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When I asked why he hadn’t dialled 999 to report his father’s distress call, he exhaled wearily. “People don’t understand that Dad, Mum, and I had been looking after Sheila since she was about eighteen, managing her schizophrenic episodes,” he said. “So, when Dad rang, it didn’t shock me that Sheila had flipped.” It was obvious that this episode was a bad one—“She had never grabbed a gun before,” he said—but it was unclear exactly how serious it was, and after the line went dead he couldn’t get through to his father to find out what sort of help he needed. Calling the local station had seemed more measured than involving the emergency services.
I should have driven over there straightaway,” he told me. “And, you know, I suffer terrible, terrible, terrible feelings of if-only.” He explained that he hadn’t raced to the farm because he was nervous about arriving before the police. But he wondered if he was also subconsciously resentful of his sister: “It’s the inevitability of mental illness that it’s quite emotionally tiring for those around—to keep that level of concern and love.”
Bamber said that he’d been drinking and taking Valium when he discussed selling Sheila’s nude pictures to the Sun. “You can see the outrage, of course,” he told me. “It was just stupid.” A reporter had asked whether any such photographs existed and then offered to pay for them, Bamber said, and he had briefly entertained the prospect. “I was easily manipulated,” he added. “But I also justify in my own head, I must have been feeling really angry at Sheila—having just killed everyone, killed herself, and ruined my life.”
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When I asked why he hadn’t dialled 999 to report his father’s distress call, he exhaled wearily. “People don’t understand that Dad, Mum, and I had been looking after Sheila since she was about eighteen, managing her schizophrenic episodes,” he said. “So, when Dad rang, it didn’t shock me that Sheila had flipped.” It was obvious that this episode was a bad one—“She had never grabbed a gun before,” he said—but it was unclear exactly how serious it was, and after the line went dead he couldn’t get through to his father to find out what sort of help he needed. Calling the local station had seemed more measured than involving the emergency services.
I should have driven over there straightaway,” he told me. “And, you know, I suffer terrible, terrible, terrible feelings of if-only.” He explained that he hadn’t raced to the farm because he was nervous about arriving before the police. But he wondered if he was also subconsciously resentful of his sister: “It’s the inevitability of mental illness that it’s quite emotionally tiring for those around—to keep that level of concern and love.”
Bamber said that he’d been drinking and taking Valium when he discussed selling Sheila’s nude pictures to the Sun. “You can see the outrage, of course,” he told me. “It was just stupid.” A reporter had asked whether any such photographs existed and then offered to pay for them, Bamber said, and he had briefly entertained the prospect. “I was easily manipulated,” he added. “But I also justify in my own head, I must have been feeling really angry at Sheila—having just killed everyone, killed herself, and ruined my life.”
So we can completely put that one to bed, Bamber did discuss selling nude photo’s of his Sister Sheila to the Sun Newspaper.
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So we can completely put that one to bed, Bamber did discuss selling nude photo’s of his Sister Sheila to the Sun Newspaper.
The Bamberettes don't wish to know.
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The Bamberettes don't wish to know.
Well they need to know Steve, although I suspect they will offer excuses, this was a man who showed no Empathy whatsoever, after trying to pin the Murders on Sheila he then tries to sell Nude photo’s of her to the Sun newspaper only weeks after killing her. The pretending to Grieve at the funeral’s, faking his emotions, the way he carried himself after he had killed his family, this Shows how far detached he was from his Family.
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Sheila was on the right medication. To firstly keep her calm. And secondly keep her able to do basic functions such as walk and talk.
It would have been trial & error intially. It was discovered tablets were unreliable as she may not take them on time. While the original injections were too strong and made her bed bound.
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Sheila was on the right medication. To firstly keep her calm. And secondly keep her able to do basic functions such as walk and talk.
It would have been trial & error intially. It was discovered tablets were unreliable as she may not take them on time. While the original injections were too strong and made her bed bound.
I agree, my Dad was put on a low dose with other drugs to keep him Calm during Palliative care. It’s widely used for Cancer patients during this period.
Bamber told Heidi he had never seen Sheila even pick up a gun before, yet he was frightened to beat the Police to WHF and so he drove slowly.
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Well they need to know Steve, although I suspect they will offer excuses, this was a man who showed no Empathy whatsoever, after trying to pin the Murders on Sheila he then tries to sell Nude photo’s of her to the Sun newspaper only weeks after killing her. The pretending to Grieve at the funeral’s, faking his emotions, the way he carried himself after he had killed his family, this Shows how far detached he was from his Family.
After the funeral, Bamber was largely absent from Tolleshunt D’Arcy. To the family’s disgust, he and his girlfriend left the reception and went to a local Caribbean restaurant, where they spent the evening drinking champagne and cocktails with friends, before heading off on a windsurfing vacation. They returned briefly for the twins’ burial in London, then sailed to Amsterdam to buy marijuana. Living the dream I suppose?
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After the funeral, Bamber was largely absent from Tolleshunt D’Arcy. To the family’s disgust, he and his girlfriend left the reception and went to a local Caribbean restaurant, where they spent the evening drinking champagne and cocktails with friends, before heading off on a windsurfing vacation. They returned briefly for the twins’ burial in London, then sailed to Amsterdam to buy marijuana. Living the dream I suppose?
Though Bamber steadfastly denied any involvement in the crime, he made two important admissions. First, when asked if there was a way to get into the Whitehouse when it was locked, he revealed that he had known since childhood how to jimmy the windows. Second, he admitted to carrying out the theft at the Osea Road vacation park. “I knew I would be the No. 1 suspect but that they couldn’t prove it,” he said.
The same arrogance he showed when he asked the Court to prove he had killed his family, During his 1986 trial for the White House Farm murders, when the prosecution accused Jeremy Bamber of lying, he replied, "That is what you have got to establish".
Add another confession, HE DID try to sell nude photo’s of his dead sister to the Sun newspaper.
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The Bamberettes don't wish to know.
You try so hard to appear super smart Steve but every time you use that word I think oh dear what a plonker!
Has it not occurred to you that no one supports a mass killer, if I thought Bamber guilty I would say so like everyone else on here who thinks this is a MOJ.
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You try so hard to appear super smart Steve but every time you use that word I think oh dear what a plonker!
Has it not occurred to you that no one supports a mass killer, if I thought Bamber guilty I would say so like everyone else on here who thinks this is a MOJ.
But of course, you can't speak for anyone other than yourself, can you?
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You try so hard to appear super smart Steve but every time you use that word I think oh dear what a plonker!
Has it not occurred to you that no one supports a mass killer, if I thought Bamber guilty I would say so like everyone else on here who thinks this is a MOJ.
There have been so many denials on this site about the meeting between Michael Fielder, Jeremy Bamber and Brett Collins at the Nag's Head, Chelmsford. It's good to hear from the horse's mouth after all this time that the incident did occur.
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There have been so many denials on this site about the meeting between Michael Fielder, Jeremy Bamber and Brett Collins at the Nag's Head, Chelmsford. It's good to hear from the horse's mouth after all this time that the incident did occur.
Jeremy Bamber denies the allegagion. He goes into detail in Lomas updated book.
Have always wondered why Fielder wasn't called as a witness. Prosecution wise although nothing proves guilt it certainly blackens the charcacter of JB.
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Jeremy Bamber denies the allegagion. He goes into detail in Lomas updated book.
Have always wondered why Fielder wasn't called as a witness. Prosecution wise although nothing proves guilt it certainly blackens the charcacter of JB.
It's stated in #17, from one of the Heidi Blake podcast episodes.
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You try so hard to appear super smart Steve but every time you use that word I think oh dear what a plonker!
Has it not occurred to you that no one supports a mass killer, if I thought Bamber guilty I would say so like everyone else on here who thinks this is a MOJ.
Well, I'm not a nodding dog; never have been.
I do hope this site is not going to descend into acrimony, as it has done on several occasions in the past.
I note Marjorie Taylor Greene will resign in the New Year. I went off her following this interview: https://youtu.be/rz_bzM7LYno
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Well, I'm not a nodding dog; never have been.
I do hope this site is not going to descend into acrimony, as it has done on several occasions in the past.
I note Marjorie Taylor Greene will resign in the New Year. I went off her following this interview: https://youtu.be/rz_bzM7LYno
The Bamberettes name has been here since at least 2011 Steve, it’s always been used even by supporters and first used by his supporters and passed on to Jeremy himself as a joke, I can remember the conversation.
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Have never liked the phrase " Guilters, and supporters even though of course that's what most if not all are in all honesty.
Reduces it to like football teams, five people including two little kids lost their life's.
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It's stated in #17, from one of the Heidi Blake podcast episodes.
Lomax also went into the subject in depth from memory.
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There have been so many denials on this site about the meeting between Michael Fielder, Jeremy Bamber and Brett Collins at the Nag's Head, Chelmsford. It's good to hear from the horse's mouth after all this time that the incident did occur.
We’re not dealing with rumour or denials now Steve the denials have been put to bed, we can get rid of hearsay, gossip, and Tabloid spin,
We’re dealing with his own account confirming he entertained the idea, and then he tries a deflection to try not to own it. First the caravan park break in was (to test security) later admitting for Greed, then I discussed selling photos, but it wasn’t really my fault.
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For me if you can lead an somewhat active social life, and undertake cleaning jobs, and go on nights out and plan holidays you have some level of dexrity and nous.
All this "couldn't make beans on toast crap" is bollocks
Nor is the children being in their fathers care a red flag.
There is a lot of reference to Shelia been poor with finances.
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For me if you can lead an somewhat active social life, and undertake cleaning jobs, and go on nights out and plan holidays you have some level of dexrity and nous.
All this "couldn't make beans on toast crap" is bollocks
Nor is the children being in their fathers care a red flag.
There is a lot of reference to Shelia been poor with finances.
That's why June used to bring her food parcels, so any money wasn't spent on recreational drugs. When Sheila was on medication the side effects were instability as regards gait, smudged lipstick as noted by shopkeeper Barry Parker that final day, nurse Caroline Heath noticing how unkempt she looked when not told to look smart, which she could do when prompted to do so.
Planning nights out with friends and accomplishing some quality of life were in collision with each other, her working life also being another disaster area. It may have been that June was beginning to realize after her daughter's second breakdown that she couldn't hold down a regular job and some niche sinecure was being arranged for her at Maldon Growers, with the possibility of her living full time at Bourtree Cottage.
Was this what tipped Jeremy over the edge, with the temptation of the vacant Maida Vale flat beckoning, or simply that Sheila was so far gone that final week that he realized now was the chance to put the dastardly plan he had discussed with Julie in to action?
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That's why June used to bring her food parcels, so any money wasn't spent on recreational drugs. When Sheila was on medication the side effects were instability as regards gait, smudged lipstick as noted by shopkeeper Barry Parker that final day, nurse Caroline Heath noticing how unkempt she looked when not told to look smart, which she could do when prompted to do so.
Planning nights out with friends and accomplishing some quality of life were in collision with each other, her working life also being another disaster area. It may have been that June was beginning to realize after her daughter's second breakdown that she couldn't hold down a regular job and some niche sinecure was being arranged for her at Maldon Growers, with the possibility of her living full time at Bourtree Cottage.
Was this what tipped Jeremy over the edge, with the temptation of the vacant Maida Vale flat beckoning, or simply that Sheila was so far gone that final week that he realized now was the chance to put the dastardly plan he had discussed with Julie in to action?
I heard a news article today about someone who was neglecting his medication and attempted to kill four people with a crossbow, and like Sheila he was using cannabis at the time too which exacerbated his psychosis, a perfect storm!
Truth is, Sheila was a reckless young lady who was also making her mental problems worse due to drug abuse, which probably 'tipped her over the edge', Steve!
Quite plausible, quite plausible indeed! No other suspects or fantastical scenarios needed!
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Sheila couldn't function in the years, months, weeks & hours leading up to the massacre.
Whether she woke mid massacre as CAL/EP suggest or was woken by Bamber as RB suggests, a lamb to the slaughter.
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I heard a news article today about someone who was neglecting his medication and attempted to kill four people with a crossbow, and like Sheila he was using cannabis at the time too which exacerbated his psychosis, a perfect storm!
Truth is, Sheila was a reckless young lady who was also making her mental problems worse due to drug abuse, which probably 'tipped her over the edge', Steve!
Quite plausible, quite plausible indeed! No other suspects or fantastical scenarios needed!
At trial Doctor Hugh Cameron Ferguson is on record as saying he didn't think the cannabis would react negatively with the Haloperidol. Of course, Sheila was a good suspect superficially, and the Defence's strongest card, so I don't blame them for highlighting past incidents.
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Sheila couldn't function in the years, months, weeks & hours leading up to the massacre.
Whether she woke mid massacre as CAL/EP suggest or was woken by Bamber as RB suggests, a lamb to the slaughter.
Yes I agree that Sheila wasn't functioning well due to dangerous interactions between prescribed medication and illegal drugs, which was just too much for her fragile mind to handle, Adam!
And once she did break down, there was no stopping her rampage.
Lamb to the slaughter, she was not!! She had turned in to the wolf!!
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At trial Doctor Hugh Cameron Ferguson is on record as saying he didn't think the cannabis would react negatively with the Haloperidol. Of course, Sheila was a good suspect superficially, and the Defence's strongest card, so I don't blame them for highlighting past incidents.
A lot more is known about cannabis these days, Steve!
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A lot more is known about cannabis these days, Steve!
Isn't the cannabis available nowadays stronger than that available in the 1980s? Not sure where I read that.
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Yes I agree that Sheila wasn't functioning well due to dangerous interactions between prescribed medication and illegal drugs, which was just too much for her fragile mind to handle, Adam!
And once she did break down, there was no stopping her rampage.
Lamb to the slaughter, she was not!! She had turned in to the wolf!!
Her violence wasn't directed against people, though, apart from her destroying a few of Colin's sculptures, upsetting as that might have been. Ranting and raving during her second breakdown her fists were beating against the wall, not against humans. In the state completely unmedicated she followed the pattern statistically of the vast majority of schizophrenics: more a danger to oneself than others.
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Yes I agree that Sheila wasn't functioning well due to dangerous interactions between prescribed medication and illegal drugs, which was just too much for her fragile mind to handle, Adam!
And once she did break down, there was no stopping her rampage.
Lamb to the slaughter, she was not!! She had turned in to the wolf!!
So that's why Nevill rang Jeremy and Chelmsford Police.
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Her violence wasn't directed against people, though, apart from her destroying a few of Colin's sculptures, upsetting as that might have been. Ranting and raving during her second breakdown her fists were beating against the wall, not against humans. In the state completely unmedicated she followed the pattern statistically of the vast majority of schizophrenics: more a danger to oneself than others.
I see, Steve, so every paranoid schizophreniac who starts off breaking things never goes on to kill anyone?
Its one or the other is it? Breaking things or killing people, but never both? As distinguishable as type1 and type 2 diabetes?
Somehow I dont believe that!
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Yes I agree that Sheila wasn't functioning well due to dangerous interactions between prescribed medication and illegal drugs, which was just too much for her fragile mind to handle, Adam!
And once she did break down, there was no stopping her rampage.
Lamb to the slaughter, she was not!! She had turned in to the wolf!!
Then how come only "trace elements" of cannabis were found in her system? Are you expecting us to believe a sudden and violent rampage ate into the amounts she'd 'stored' in her body?
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Then how come only "trace elements" of cannabis were found in her system? Are you expecting us to believe a sudden and violent rampage ate into the amounts she'd 'stored' in her body?
Yes, the damage was done, Jane!
An alcoholic may stop drinking, and while no trace remains in their body irreparable damage may have been done to the liver.
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At trial Doctor Hugh Cameron Ferguson is on record as saying he didn't think the cannabis would react negatively with the Haloperidol. Of course, Sheila was a good suspect superficially, and the Defence's strongest card, so I don't blame them for highlighting past incidents.
Cannabis may not react with Haloperidol but cannabis can make a person with PS much more likely to be violent something like 15 times.
So very misleading of Dr Ferguson to state no reaction to Haloperidol in front of the jury.
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Cannabis may not react with Haloperidol but cannabis can make a person with PS much more likely to be violent something like 15 times.
So very misleading of Dr Ferguson to state no reaction to Haloperidol in front of the jury.
It may not have been stated in front of the jury, but was in his notes. As Jane said, there were trace amounts found in her system, suggesting she hadn't been a user for awhile.
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It may not have been stated in front of the jury, but was in his notes. As Jane said, there were trace amounts in her system, suggesting she hadn't been a user for awhile.
Depending on how she took the drug and how frequent would determine the length of time it would be detectable in her body.
So a single use 3 days in urine or 48 hours in blood (approx) for example.
For a heavy user 30 days in urine or 25 days in blood.
I don't know if Sheila was a heavy user or not? so if cannabis was detected she could have been using the drug quite recently?
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Depending on how she took the drug and how frequent would determine the length of time it would be detectable in her body.
So a single use 3 days in urine or 48 hours in blood (approx) for example.
For a heavy user 30 days in urine or 25 days in blood.
I don't know if Sheila was a heavy user or not? so if cannabis was detected she could have been using the drug quite recently?
Rob, you can say "Ah, but......." as many times as you like, but you can't change what the tox report says.
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Sheila couldn't function in the years, months, weeks & hours leading up to the massacre.
This is the bollocks in question.
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Yes, the damage was done, Jane!
An alcoholic may stop drinking, and while no trace remains in their body irreparable damage may have been done to the liver.
There will be more than a trace in their body if they been drinking, though. Same goes for drugs. If she'd been using recently, they'd have found more than "trace elements".
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This is the bollocks in question.
It has been well documentated since 1985. About 500 times.
You don't spend 6 & 8 weeks in hospital & get injected with Haldoperiodal if you can function.
Jeremy telling Julie 'tonights the night' after a final check.
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It has been well documentated since 1985. About 500 times.
You don't spend 6 & 8 weeks in hospital & get injected with Haldoperiodal if you can function.
Jeremy telling Julie 'tonights the night' after a final check.
Final check for what? The alternative suspect being a complete vegtable as you describe her?
Would be madness.
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Final check for what? The alternative suspect being a complete vegtable as you describe her?
Would be madness.
The final check was to confirm Sheila would put up no resistance. He was going for a 1 shot kill.
I will do a breakdown confirming Sheila's drowsiness in her final days/hours.
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There will be more than a trace in their body if they been drinking, though. Same goes for drugs. If she'd been using recently, they'd have found more than "trace elements".
Not true Jane, someone taking cannabis infrequently gets rid of the drug quickly as I posted above.
A heavy user not so.
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Not true Jane, someone taking cannabis infrequently gets rid of the drug quickly as I posted above.
A heavy user not so.
So "trace elements" would imply her to be in infrequent user? Perhaps for some Dutch courage?
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So "trace elements" would imply her to be in infrequent user? Perhaps for some Dutch courage?
Or a heavy user who has refrained for a while.
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Or a heavy user who has refrained for a while.
Didn't she have stains on her hand due to cigar smoking? She surely can't have been taking as many central nervous system stimulants as has been alleged.
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Or a heavy user who has refrained for a while.
But that comes under taking a stab in the dark. It's unlikely to hold water as evidence.
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My thread yesterday shows she was extremely drowsy & lethargic in the days and hours leading up to the massacre. As well as the months before.
Haldoperiodal is an extremeley powerful anti psychotic drug with dozens of side effects. One of them being that you become extremely lethagic, un cordinated and tired. Which would prevent psychotic outbursts.
The amount was reduced as the higher amount would have made her bedbound. As CC suggested. It was being injected so she could not skip taking tablets.
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Wasn't it 9 days until her next due injection?
The Haldoperiodal would still be working at 100% on her. As shown in her constant and extreme physical & mental lethargy & un cordination.
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Some medications have the reverse effects than it was intended for. It depends on an individual's assimilation of certain drugs, i.e. trial and error. A " one size fits all " never works when prescribing medication for certain illnesses, especially those which are used for certain mental illnesses.