Jeremy Bamber Forum
OFF TOPIC => Israel/Palestine => Topic started by: Roch on September 20, 2025, 03:15:PM
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Israel are killing civilians, bombing tents and hospitals, and have shoot to kill zones. But there's virtually no footage of them killing Hamas fighters. But there is tonnes of footage of Hamas killing IDF. Hamas are still a potent fighting force.
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Stop making an idiot out of yourself.
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Stop making an idiot out of yourself.
Israel are losing the war against Hamas. Prove me wrong.
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Israel are losing the war against Hamas. Prove me wrong.
Hamas is using the civilian population as human shields, which in itself is despicable. Why won't Egypt take any civilians? Poland took nearly one million Ukrainians when Russia invaded.
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Hamas is using the civilian population as human shields, which in itself is despicable. Why won't Egypt take any civilians? Poland took nearly one million Ukrainians when Russia invaded.
Hamas isn't using the civilian population as shields. This is a lie. Hamas is fighting a guerilla war from within tunnels and ruins. They are winning. Nobody is forcing Israel to destroy buildings and kill civilians. They are choosing to do it, in order to make the strip inhabitable for Palestinians. Unless Israel change their tactics, they are unable to kill Hamas. Gaza has been turned into Stalingrad by the Israelis. The defenders are turning it into a graveyard for the IDF.
Eventually, Netenyahu will be destroyed by this. And the world will be rid of a truly evil being.
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Hamas isn't using the civilian population as shields. This is a lie. Hamas is fighting a guerilla war from within tunnels and ruins. They are winning. Nobody is forcing Israel to destroy buildings and kill civilians. They are choosing to do it, in order to make the strip inhabitable for Palestinians. Unless Israel change their tactics, they are unable to kill Hamas. Gaza has been turned into Stalingrad by the Israelis. The defenders are turning it into a graveyard for the IDF.
Eventually, Netenyahu will be destroyed by this. And the world will be rid of a truly evil being.
Well said Roch.
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Well said Roch.
I can't see how Israel can win ngb. They would have to breach the tunnel system and use flamethrowers. It's too big a task. The IDF are exhausted. Some are committing suicide.
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Israel are killing civilians, bombing tents and hospitals, and have shoot to kill zones. But there's virtually no footage of them killing Hamas fighters. But there is tonnes of footage of Hamas killing IDF. Hamas are still a potent fighting force.
Israel can't win as you have said. They and their sponsors are losing all over the board and the massacres and destruction that they are inflicting on the powerless is a sign of their weakness, not any strength. The entire Empire structure is lashing out in a fit of pique at their waning strength and power. Their defeat is inevitable. NATO/US/IDF- none of them can any longer take on and defeat a "peer power".
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I can't see how Israel can win ngb. They would have to breach the tunnel system and use flamethrowers. It's too big a task. The IDF are exhausted. Some are committing suicide.
At least that's a tacit acknowledgement that Hamas planned the October 7 attack for years, probably since 2005 when Israel withdrew physically from the Gaza territory.
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At least that's a tacit acknowledgement that Hamas planned the October 7 attack for years, probably since 2005 when Israel withdrew physically from the Gaza territory.
Israel have monitored Hamas using all kinds of tech, surveillance and informants. I don't believe they didn't know that a plan was being made. Israel also has strategic buildings within neighborhoods, rendering the human shields argument null and void. I watched a video of Israelis arguing on TV the other day. There was a rabid woman on, who I have seen going berserk in the parliament before. They were arguing about children aged 0-4 years being innocent and children 4 years plus not being innocent. They are nutcases Steve. They are completely detached from human norms.
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Israel are losing the war against Hamas. Prove me wrong.
You are basing your claim on the fact there is not much footage of the IDF killing Hamas militants.
The IDF are a professional military. Name me one professional military that films its combat fatalities in large quantities and then uploads it social media? The US does not even release the Bin Laden raid body cam footage.
Hamas on the other hand relish such footage for propaganda. Hence you see it.
I have seen some footage of the IDF shooting dead Hamas militants but they were filmed by civilians recording whatever transpired while out of the line of fire.
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Hamas isn't using the civilian population as shields. This is a lie.
In their own words.
“This attests to the character of our noble, jihad-loving people – who defend their rights and their homes with their bare chests and their blood. The policy of people confronting the Israeli warplanes with their bare chests in order to protect their homes has proven effective against the occupation… we in Hamas call upon our people to adopt this policy in order to protect the Palestinian homes.”
https://youtu.be/jbKcw6BkKEo?feature=shared&t=24 (https://youtu.be/jbKcw6BkKEo?feature=shared&t=24)
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You are basing your claim on the fact there is not much footage of the IDF killing Hamas militants.
The IDF are a professional military. Name me one professional military that films its combat fatalities in large quantities and then uploads it social media? The US does not even release the Bin Laden raid body cam footage.
Hamas on the other hand relish such footage for propaganda. Hence you see it.
I have seen some footage of the IDF shooting dead Hamas militants but they were filmed by civilians recording whatever transpired while out of the line of fire.
The footage from the Palestinian fighters isn't propaganda. It's footage collected by a scattered guerilla force, using what they can, improvising etc. In one video they have even rigged up a car reverse parking camera to capture the footage. It's the shear amount of footage they have captured which indicates the IDF are paying a high price for Netenyahu, Smotric and the other lunatics running the country.
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In their own words.
“This attests to the character of our noble, jihad-loving people – who defend their rights and their homes with their bare chests and their blood. The policy of people confronting the Israeli warplanes with their bare chests in order to protect their homes has proven effective against the occupation… we in Hamas call upon our people to adopt this policy in order to protect the Palestinian homes.”
https://youtu.be/jbKcw6BkKEo?feature=shared&t=24 (https://youtu.be/jbKcw6BkKEo?feature=shared&t=24)
Israel has placed strategic buildings amongst civilian areas. So the human shields argument is a bit rich. When Iran slapped Israel in June, some civilian areas were hit as a result of Israel's placement of such strategic buildings.
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The footage from the Palestinian fighters isn't propaganda. It's footage collected by a scattered guerilla force, using what they can, improvising etc. In one video they have even rigged up a car reverse parking camera to capture the footage. It's the shear amount of footage they have captured which indicates the IDF are paying a high price for Netenyahu, Smotric and the other lunatics running the country.
Its is propaganda hence they are going out their way to film it so they can upload it. A professional fighting force does not care or prioritise footage for social media.
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Israel has placed strategic buildings amongst civilian areas. So the human shields argument is a bit rich. When Iran slapped Israel in June, some civilian areas were hit as a result of Israel's placement of such strategic buildings.
They have air raid sirens and civilian bomb shelters all over the place.
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I can't see how Israel can win ngb. They would have to breach the tunnel system and use flamethrowers. It's too big a task. The IDF are exhausted. Some are committing suicide.
Hamas will not release all the hostages because it knows that once it releases that last hostage that is when Israel will flood those tunnels with seawater from the Mediterranean.
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Hamas will not release all the hostages because it knows that once it releases that last hostage that is when Israel will flood those tunnels with seawater from the Mediterranean.
The Israeli regime has never been bothered about the hostages. Ask the families.
As for the med, I hope they and the rich American and Zionist donors enjoy their project.
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The Israeli regime has never been bothered about the hostages. Ask the families.
As for the med, I hope they and the rich American and Zionist donors enjoy their project.
Do you think there was a connection between the disengagement of Israel on the physical land of Gaza and the October 7 attacks eighteen years later? https://www.npr.org/2025/09/19/g-s1-89192/israel-gaza-withdrawal-2005
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Cautiously optimistic about this.
https://theconversation.com/hamas-has-run-out-of-options-survival-now-rests-on-accepting-trumps-plan-and-political-reform-266515 (https://theconversation.com/hamas-has-run-out-of-options-survival-now-rests-on-accepting-trumps-plan-and-political-reform-266515)
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Hamas are apparently going to agree to Trumps 20 point peace plan. This includes -
"6. Hamas disarmament
After all hostages are returned, Hamas members who commit to peaceful co-existence and to give up their weapons will be given amnesty. Militants who want to leave Gaza will be given safe passage to receiving countries.
13. Hamas exclusion
Hamas and other factions agree to not have any role in governing Gaza - directly, indirectly or in any form. All "military, terror, and offensive infrastructure, including tunnels and weapon production facilities, will be destroyed and not rebuilt"."
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Hamas are apparently going to agree to Trumps 20 point peace plan. This includes -
"6. Hamas disarmament
After all hostages are returned, Hamas members who commit to peaceful co-existence and to give up their weapons will be given amnesty. Militants who want to leave Gaza will be given safe passage to receiving countries.
13. Hamas exclusion
Hamas and other factions agree to not have any role in governing Gaza - directly, indirectly or in any form. All "military, terror, and offensive infrastructure, including tunnels and weapon production facilities, will be destroyed and not rebuilt"."
Yes just read it this morning David, hopefully things will get moving and the recognition of a Palestine state and they can live in peace.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/36951056/trump-travel-middle-east-hamas-israel-gaza/
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Yes just read it this morning David, hopefully things will get moving and the recognition of a Palestine state and they can live in peace.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/36951056/trump-travel-middle-east-hamas-israel-gaza/
Inside the room where Nobel Peace Prize is decided – but will Trump get his wish?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cg5ejm4qrzyo
Could Trump win the Nobel Peace Prize – and who else could get it?
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Inside the room where Nobel Peace Prize is decided – but will Trump get his wish?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cg5ejm4qrzyo
Could Trump win the Nobel Peace Prize – and who else could get it?
It's been really an amazing period of time. So great for Israel, so great for Muslims and the Arab countries.
'You'll see people getting along and Gaza will be rebuilt.'
He continued: 'Gaza, we believe is going to be a much safer place and it's going to be a place that reconstructs and other countries in the area will help it reconstruct because they have tremendous amounts of wealth, and they want to see that happen.
'I'm very confident there'll be peace in the Middle East.'
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Will there be a hunt for the Israeli war criminals - or are the coming wars going to numb the world into a grim acceptance?
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Will there be a hunt for the Israeli war criminals - or are the coming wars going to numb the world into a grim acceptance?
Do you want peace or do you want revenge Roch? Could you see anyone hunting Putin. It’s not going to Happen, putting them sort of demands in place on both sides would never have achieved anything.
Let’s just be thankful that a lot of civilians might be saved and just might have a better future?
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Do you want peace or do you want revenge Roch? Could you see anyone hunting Putin. It’s not going to Happen, putting them sort of demands in place would never have achieved anything.
Justice for the victims of genocide. I hope they are hunted for the next 50 years. But I think Gaza was a test. They have got away with it so far - so the same tactics can be used by other forces on other areas of the world now. We failed the test. If we don't go after the war criminals, we completely fail the test.
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Israel & Hamas have signed first phase of Gaza plan, says Trump
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fnjIoWh7yAc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fnjIoWh7yAc)
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Justice for the victims of genocide. I hope they are hunted for the next 50 years. But I think Gaza was a test. They have got away with it so far - so the same tactics can be used by other forces on other areas of the world now. We failed the test. If we don't go after the war criminals, we completely fail the test.
Myself Roch, m just happy that there might be peace at last, putting them sort of conditions on talks would not achieve anything.
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Myself Roch, m just happy that there might be peace at last, putting them sort of conditions on talks would not achieve anything.
At least the people that matter are pleased there is a ceasefire. Hopefully this is the start of a better life for Palestinians.
Celebrations in Gaza and Israel after deal announced - a recap
published at 11:41
11:41
Palestinians gathered in the city of Khan Yunis are celebrating after the announcement of the ceasefire agreement in Gaza
With a deal due to be voted on by the Israeli government in a few hours time, here's a quick recap of everything we know so far:
US President Donald Trump has announced that Israel and Hamas have agreed on the first phase of a deal for Gaza
Palestinians in Gaza and hostage families in Israel have been celebrating the breakthrough, which came after intense negotiations in Egypt
The Israeli government will meet on Thursday at 17:00 Jerusalem time (15:00 BST) to vote on the deal. If the plan is approved a ceasefire will go into immediate effect - the Israeli military says it has already begun preparations to "adjust deployment lines"
The Israeli prime minister's office says that then the 72-hour countdown for the hostages held by Hamas in Gaza to be returned will then begin
The agreement marks a significant moment, our correspondent Hugo Bachega writes, but there is no guarantee it will end the war
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At least the people that matter are pleased there is a ceasefire. Hopefully this is the start of a better life for Palestinians.
Celebrations in Gaza and Israel after deal announced - a recap
published at 11:41
11:41
Palestinians gathered in the city of Khan Yunis are celebrating after the announcement of the ceasefire agreement in Gaza
With a deal due to be voted on by the Israeli government in a few hours time, here's a quick recap of everything we know so far:
US President Donald Trump has announced that Israel and Hamas have agreed on the first phase of a deal for Gaza
Palestinians in Gaza and hostage families in Israel have been celebrating the breakthrough, which came after intense negotiations in Egypt
The Israeli government will meet on Thursday at 17:00 Jerusalem time (15:00 BST) to vote on the deal. If the plan is approved a ceasefire will go into immediate effect - the Israeli military says it has already begun preparations to "adjust deployment lines"
The Israeli prime minister's office says that then the 72-hour countdown for the hostages held by Hamas in Gaza to be returned will then begin
The agreement marks a significant moment, our correspondent Hugo Bachega writes, but there is no guarantee it will end the war
Don't mention Hugo! CC will get started!
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Don't mention Hugo! CC will get started!
Ha Ha I see what you mean…..I like his accent/voice and have no problem understanding him. I like to imagine him pouring me a chilled glass of Whispering Angel whilst simultaneously giving me the low-down on geo politics ;D
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Ha Ha I see what you mean…..I like his accent/voice and have no problem understanding him. I like to imagine him pouring me a chilled glass of Whispering Angel whilst simultaneously giving me the low-down on geo politics ;D
You forgot to mention his bulging biceps underneath a tight fitted shirt.
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You forgot to mention his bulging biceps underneath a tight fitted shirt.
I think Cutie must have seen me while camping in Cambridge Roch, where is she by the way, she seems to have gone into hiding since the CCRC gave the preliminary decision on Bamber?
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I think Cutie must have seen me while camping in Cambridge Roch, where is she by the way, she seems to have gone into hiding since the CCRC gave the preliminary decision on Bamber?
I think she is sometimes busy with research HB.
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I think she is sometimes busy with research HB.
Tony Blair has been rejected by Hamas for any involvement Roch. I think we both could agree on that part Roch. 😂😂
A NEW DAWN Israel approves ceasefire but Hamas rejects Tony Blair running Gaza as 200 US troops to monitor peace deal
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/36959829/israel-hostages-released-trump-hamas-war-end/
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Tony Blair has been rejected by Hamas for any involvement Roch. I think we both could agree on that part Roch. 😂😂
A NEW DAWN Israel approves ceasefire but Hamas rejects Tony Blair running Gaza as 200 US troops to monitor peace deal
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/36959829/israel-hostages-released-trump-hamas-war-end/
He seems totally unable to take a hint.
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I think Cutie must have seen me while camping in Cambridge Roch, where is she by the way, she seems to have gone into hiding since the CCRC gave the preliminary decision on Bamber?
Probably having a liver transplant.
Its worth noting that both the CC and Curiosity account have stopped posting for a while and both stopped around the same time also.
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By one metric Israel seems to have lost the propaganda war. https://youtu.be/OfaFUoIv8ZE
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Netanyahu interview starts around 8:00 in: https://youtu.be/pGVbvx0U7cY