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OTHER HIGH PROFILE CASES => Luke Mitchell and the murder of Jodi Jones => Topic started by: nugnug on December 27, 2023, 05:39:PM
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cliams that have been made here tht there are no confirmed sighty of the stocky man are untrue https://t.co/4b2m1Pd9VG
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cliams that have been made here tht there are no confirmed sighty of the stocky man are untrue https://t.co/4b2m1Pd9VG
So 31-year-old Danilo Restivo gave a high five to two teenagers, then proceeded to murder Jodi?
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So 31-year-old Danilo Restivo gave a high five to two teenagers, then proceeded to murder Jodi?
who the fuck is Danilo Restivo what the hell are you talking about.
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I am in tears of laughter!
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who the fuck is Danilo Restivo what the hell are you talking about.
Do you own research.
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who the fuck is Danilo Restivo what the hell are you talking about.
Danilo Restivo is a convicted serial killer nugnug who inflicted similar injuries to his victims as the ones Jodi suffered.
Bubo put him forward as possibly being stocky man,nothing to do with Steve.
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Detective Inspector Tom Martin, one of the officers in the case, said: "This is a significant development for the inquiry team. We now have two independent witnesses who have given us good statements about seeing a young woman who is similar in description to Jodi.----"
And as per other articles, of it being the first positive "possible" sighting of the girl. Do try to screw the nut here.
The inquiry team at no point said it was Jodi Jones, around 5pm on the 30th of June, not then not after. A girl matching her description - Again, seeking to confirm three things here from what developed after this. A positive identification of the girl as being Jodi, on that day, the 30th of June and crucially the time. It fell flat. Which could only have been a massive deflation in the enquiry.
I am not interested in every piece of manipulation that has been applied around this. - I am interested in the following, his original defence team, who scoured every media article, whom, without a shadow of any doubt, looked into that possible sighting with a fine tooth comb. It was not Jodi Jones around 5pm on the 30th of June walking along that road.
DF who pulled up the newspaper article, the inference led was, had JF cut off his hair because of the description of the male in the article.
The manipulators, the liars - Two independent people in statements, had come forward with information, believing they had seen the girl around the crucial time frame, fell flat. The sightings had taken place just after 4pm. These two people knew the girl by sight.
The liars and manipulators - One has their version of the same witnesses seeing the girl and male after 5pm, the other liar has their version seeing the male before 5pm - What does that tell you? SL in her book guesses as to when they might have come forward, statements are timed and dated - What does that tell you?
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Danilo Restivo is a convicted serial killer nugnug who inflicted similar injuries to his victims as the ones Jodi suffered.
Bubo put him forward as possibly being stocky man,nothing to do with Steve.
i looked him up he was arested for murder in 2002 one year before this murder so wouldent of been avialbel
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And as per other articles, of it being the first positive "possible" sighting of the girl. Do try to screw the nut here.
The inquiry team at no point said it was Jodi Jones, around 5pm on the 30th of June, not then not after. A girl matching her description - Again, seeking to confirm three things here from what developed after this. A positive identification of the girl as being Jodi, on that day, the 30th of June and crucially the time. It fell flat. Which could only have been a massive deflation in the enquiry.
I am not interested in every piece of manipulation that has been applied around this. - I am interested in the following, his original defence team, who scoured every media article, whom, without a shadow of any doubt, looked into that possible sighting with a fine tooth comb. It was not Jodi Jones around 5pm on the 30th of June walking along that road.
DF who pulled up the newspaper article, the inference led was, had JF cut off his hair because of the description of the male in the article.
The manipulators, the liars - Two independent people in statements, had come forward with information, believing they had seen the girl around the crucial time frame, fell flat. The sightings had taken place just after 4pm. These two people knew the girl by sight.
The liars and manipulators - One has their version of the same witnesses seeing the girl and male after 5pm, the other liar has their version seeing the male before 5pm - What does that tell you? SL in her book guesses as to when they might have come forward, statements are timed and dated - What does that tell you?
so a gitl matching her description was seen walking on the path that she was later murdered on i think its pretty safe to say it was her as she was later found dead there who else could it have been
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And as per other articles, of it being the first positive "possible" sighting of the girl. Do try to screw the nut here.
The inquiry team at no point said it was Jodi Jones, around 5pm on the 30th of June, not then not after. A girl matching her description - Again, seeking to confirm three things here from what developed after this. A positive identification of the girl as being Jodi, on that day, the 30th of June and crucially the time. It fell flat. Which could only have been a massive deflation in the enquiry.
I am not interested in every piece of manipulation that has been applied around this. - I am interested in the following, his original defence team, who scoured every media article, whom, without a shadow of any doubt, looked into that possible sighting with a fine tooth comb. It was not Jodi Jones around 5pm on the 30th of June walking along that road.
DF who pulled up the newspaper article, the inference led was, had JF cut off his hair because of the description of the male in the article.
The manipulators, the liars - Two independent people in statements, had come forward with information, believing they had seen the girl around the crucial time frame, fell flat. The sightings had taken place just after 4pm. These two people knew the girl by sight.
The liars and manipulators - One has their version of the same witnesses seeing the girl and male after 5pm, the other liar has their version seeing the male before 5pm - What does that tell you? SL in her book guesses as to when they might have come forward, statements are timed and dated - What does that tell you?
So if witnesses for the prosecution change their timings its ok but potential defence witnesses are liars.
Your prejudice knows no bounds.
This does not mean that there was not a third party and you have not addressed my previous post. Only one of the witnesses said they saw the man again and if it was the same man it was him that gave the high five not necessarily the one seen following a girl up the path
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i looked him up he was arested for murder in 2002 one year before this murder so wouldent of been avialbel
Wrong the murder was in 2002 he was convicted eight years later after a murder he committed in Italy came to light. You need to do a lot more research on this guy. Read some of my posts.
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SL again - 'There was no evidence whatsoever of the route Jodi had taken -----' 'She could have walked down through Easthouses (down Maryburn Road, inserts maps), she could have walked past the entrance to the path up on to Morris Road.
Because the sightings of the girl who may have "possibly" been Jodi Jones was up from her house, the stocky man between house and shops. Thus why we have further manipulation from the enablers. Lean and her after 5pm to try and cancel out the AB sighting. To Forbes, and they (stocky man) was seen right there beside the garage just feet from the path. Ever expanding long noses. Pointing this out to Forbes and he then asks, 'Could Jodi have walked down through Easthouses?' All over the shop with contradictions, blatant disinformation etc.
But why? It is not rocket science. Forbes and his years and years zoned in on MK, BS. Claims to have had a lightbulb moment, there it was before me, after my zillionth time of studying defence papers ( long nose again). Bye MK and hello JoJ's. Because MK does not fit into the narrative, the fairy stories around self interest. Only JoJ's will do for that, it is his family who were key witnesses at the trial. - Yada yada yada. He was Kelly at one point, JF at another point, now JoJ's. - Gee whiz!
The high five guy had been on that road another day, just not on the 30th of June around 5pm. The girl with the pushchair, you are told when traced, simply said she saw nothing. Mmmmmm, not around 5pm on the 30th of June she didn't. And still the penny fails to drop for some. The girl with the pushchair, walking face on to both the girl and the stocky man, does not come forward, did not recognize it as being her on that day, nothing important about the female or the male she had been passing, was there now?
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So if witnesses for the prosecution change their timings its ok but potential defence witnesses are liars.
Your prejudice knows no bounds.
This does not mean that there was not a third party and you have not addressed my previous post. Only one of the witnesses said they saw the man again and if it was the same man it was him that gave the high five not necessarily the one seen following a girl up the path
No idea what you are havering on about - Prejudice? Who was changing times? Will that be SM his mother, LM for that matter, perhaps it is your own prejudice that knows no bounds. Just a thought.
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SL again - 'There was no evidence whatsoever of the route Jodi had taken -----' 'She could have walked down through Easthouses (down Maryburn Road, inserts maps), she could have walked past the entrance to the path up on to Morris Road.
Because the sightings of the girl who may have "possibly" been Jodi Jones was up from her house, the stocky man between house and shops. Thus why we have further manipulation from the enablers. Lean and her after 5pm to try and cancel out the AB sighting. To Forbes, and they (stocky man) was seen right there beside the garage just feet from the path. Ever expanding long noses. Pointing this out to Forbes and he then asks, 'Could Jodi have walked down through Easthouses?' All over the shop with contradictions, blatant disinformation etc.
But why? It is not rocket science. Forbes and his years and years zoned in on MK, BS. Claims to have had a lightbulb moment, there it was before me, after my zillionth time of studying defence papers ( long nose again). Bye MK and hello JoJ's. Because MK does not fit into the narrative, the fairy stories around self interest. Only JoJ's will do for that, it is his family who were key witnesses at the trial. - Yada yada yada. He was Kelly at one point, JF at another point, now JoJ's. - Gee whiz!
The high five guy had been on that road another day, just not on the 30th of June around 5pm. The girl with the pushchair, you are told when traced, simply said she saw nothing. Mmmmmm, not around 5pm on the 30th of June she didn't. And still the penny fails to drop for some. The girl with the pushchair, walking face on to both the girl and the stocky man, does not come forward, did not recognize it as being her on that day, nothing important about the female or the male she had been passing, was there now?
yes there is theres the police reconstruction video and 2 independant witness who saw her walking down the path and that doesnt come from sanra lean it comes from the police themselves
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No idea what you are havering on about - Prejudice? Who was changing times? Will that be SM his mother, LM for that matter, perhaps it is your own prejudice that knows no bounds. Just a thought.
Unfair reply since I have an open mind on this case and can see both sides as my posts indicate. I understand where the guilty group are coming from but believe their minds are completely closed. Whereas you are belligerent in your stance of guilty and refuse to entertain any other possibility.
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Two minutes and forty seconds!
If I remember correctly,that is how long it took to walk from Jodi's house down to the entrance to RDP.
So if stocky man existed,there are three options,1 He was a nutter waiting outside the house for Jodi to leave and immediately tailed her. 2 He just happened to be walking down the road as Jodi left her house and was innocently walking close behind her.
How do you know if someone is being followed or not anyway?
Or 3.You go with Scott Forbes scenario.
Anyway,point being the witnesses only had a few minutes in entirety to observe Jodi and stocky man,and to somehow come to the conclusion that Jodi was being stalked by stocky man!
He was the stocky stalky man,as it were!
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Two minutes and forty seconds!
If I remember correctly,that is how long it took to walk from Jodi's house down to the entrance to RDP.
So if stocky man existed,there are three options,1 He was a nutter waiting outside the house for Jodi to leave and immediately tailed her. 2 He just happened to be walking down the road as Jodi left her house and was innocently walking close behind her.
How do you know if someone is being followed or not anyway?
Or 3.You go with Scott Forbes scenario.
Anyway,point being the witnesses only had a few minutes in entirety to observe Jodi and stocky man.
the distance they were she must of known he was behind her but dident seem at all bothered that sugests to me she knew him
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the distance they were she must of known he was behind her but dident seem at all bothered that sugests to me she knew him
Can I take it you are going with option 3 then nugnug?
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So,if stocky man was indeed the killer and he hit Jodi over the head with a stick or branch,he was therefore the Stocky,Stalky,Sticky man!
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Can I take it you are going with option 3 then nugnug?
How about this for a plausible scenario.
JJ is waiting at East houses when approached by the killer. He says he is lost. They strike up a conversation. His story is plausible. She says she is waiting for her boyfriend. He knows the path and the V. He needs to Walk the path to Newbattle. Whatever is said over say a two minute chat he appears kind and gentle. She says she is not to walk the path alone. She tells him to walk the path. He says he will accompany her and she can show him the V where he can cut through and walk across the field to get back to his destination. She feels no threat from him and they set off together. As they approach the V he strikes her on the back of the head maybe with a brick from the wall. He carries/manipulates her over the V and hides her body after tying her up and killing her.
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How about this for a plausible scenario.
JJ is waiting at East houses when approached by the killer. He says he is lost. They strike up a conversation. His story is plausible. She says she is waiting for her boyfriend. He knows the path and the V. He needs to Walk the path to Newbattle. Whatever is said over say a two minute chat he appears kind and gentle. She says she is not to walk the path alone. She tells him to walk the path. He says he will accompany her and she can show him the V where he can cut through and walk across the field to get back to his destination. She feels no threat from him and they set off together. As they approach the V he strikes her on the back of the head maybe with a brick from the wall. He carries/manipulates her over the V and hides her body after tying her up and killing her.
Yes,possibly Bubo,you said this today already.
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Can I take it you are going with option 3 then nugnug?
not necasrly i think it was somone she knew though becouse i cant see her being so layed back about a stranger following her
thats why i think its rather unlikely that it was the italian serial killer
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not necasrly i think it was somone she knew though becouse i cant see her being so layed back about a stranger following her
thats why i think its rather unlikely that it was the italian serial killer
Well maybe it was just an innocent bystander following her then nugnug,a neighbour possibly who just appeared to be tailing her with no connection to her murder?
But that doesn't rule out the possibility that Restivo was skulking about on the path or in the woods waiting for the first suitable victim to come along,does it?
Simply in the wrong place at the right time as Bubo put it.
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Well maybe it was just an innocent bystander following her then nugnug,a neighbour possibly who just appeared to be tailing her with no connection to her murder?
But that doesn't rule out the possibility that Restivo was skulking about on the path or in the woods waiting for the first suitable victim to come along,does it?
Simply in the wrong place at the right time as Bubo put it.
possbly but the trouble is followed her into a place that she was later killed at
and if you belive the proscutions time of death she was killed less than an hour after hes seen follwingg her
so hes following her onto the murder scene at roughly the time the murder is supposed to have happend.
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possbly but the trouble is followed her into a place that she was later killed at
and if you belive the proscutions time of death she was killed less than an hour after hes seen follwingg her
so hes following her onto the murder scene at roughly the time the murder is supposed to have happend.
Are you saying the witnesses said stocky man followed Jodi right into the path nugnug?
If so I was not aware of this.That would change things.
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Yes,possibly Bubo,you said this today already.
A good story is worth re-telling. I wonder whether JJ's picture was on his lap top like Erika Ansermin who disappeared about 70 days before JJ's murder. Has it been checked?
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A good story is worth re-telling. I wonder whether JJ's picture was on his lap top like Erika Ansermin who disappeared about 70 days before JJ's murder. Has it been checked?
Good point Bubo,that would indeed be a breakthrough!
No doubt the police still have his computer.
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A good story is worth re-telling. I wonder whether JJ's picture was on his lap top like Erika Ansermin who disappeared about 70 days before JJ's murder. Has it been checked?
well stranger things hae happendd im still a bit sceptical though is there anything to link this guy with dalkieth
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well stranger things hae happendd im still a bit sceptical though is there anything to link this guy with dalkieth
Nothing more than all the other places in Europe where murders are thought to have been committed by him.
Restivo's conviction yesterday for Heather Barnett's murder brings to a close an extraordinary story, but many mysteries remain. Some observers are convinced that a compulsive, psychotic killer such as Restivo must have commited more murders between 1993 and 2002. Over the years he has been linked to many other deaths, particularly to a series of brutal murders in southern France and Spain. In September 1997 a young French-Algerian woman from Perpignan, Moktharia Chaib, was stabbed and her breasts, as well as other body parts, removed. Marie Hélène Gonzalez had, in 1998, been brutally mutilated, having disappeared in Perpignan. In 1999, in Puerto de Alcuida, Majorca, a British woman called Yvonne O'Brien was stabbed 40 times and one of her breasts was removed. On Easter Day 2003 a South Korean woman adopted by an Italian family, Erika Ansermin, disappeared. Her body has never been found but a photograph of her, downloaded from an Italian news channel, was found on Restivo's computer.
His first murder was Elisa Claps in Italy As a child he tied two children to chairs and attacked them with a knife but it was hushed up and settled out of court. It was the discovery of Claps body mummified in a church that set the ball rolling for the conviction of Heather Barnet in Dorset in 2002.
There is a significant diaspora of Italians in Scotland. He may have had friends. I believe his wife may have had family in Scotland but I may be wrong.
You should look at this guy more closely nugnug. Just put in his name to find a mountain of information about him.
His MO is pretty clear.
IS IT WORTH A CHECK
Where EXACTLY was Danilo Restivo on the evening of 30/06/03?
Similarities between the Heather Barnett murder (12/11/2002) and that of Jodie Jones (30/06/2003).
1 Head wounds; both had blunt force injuries to the back of the head with no weapon found, though a hammer was attributed in HB’s case. However the pathologist in the Jones case said it could also have been made by forcing her head against something hard like a wall.
2 Neck wounds; both suffered massive mutilation injuries with a bladed weapon to the neck area almost severing the head.
3 Breast area; both had been mutilated in this area. Barnett’s were fully removed. Jones’s left breast had been attacked.
4 Both crime scenes had evidence of a struggle before death.
5 Clothes; both victims had their clothes cut off.
6 Elements of symmetry/quirkiness; it is said that HB’s incised breasts were placed either side of her head. Jodie’s brassiere cups were placed one inside the other.
7 Hair; HB had some of her hair placed by one hand with the hair of another woman next to the other. Jodie had some of her hair pulled out and some of her hair was around her fingers. The uncovered body overnight with rain may be a factor either as a cause or adjuster of volume or positioning. It seems to me from pictures that all three women had auburn hair.
Danilo Restivo tied up his first victim the Italian Alisa Claps and Jodie was tied up. He was also suspected of tying up two children and cutting one with a knife. Settled out of court in Italy when he was younger.
Part of my reasoning for him as JJ's killer is that he may have wanted to conduct a similar murder to that of Heather Barnett to shift suspicion he was under in Dorset by murdering elsewhere with a similar MO having created an alibi for the killing of JJ. It is possible that the Dorset and Scottish police forces were not in communication at the time of JJ's murder because the Dorset police had shifted their attention from DR to HB's ex by 2003. It is unlikely that the Scottish police were following the HB case because it was not UK wide news in 2003 and was still under investigation.
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trouble is you have linking him to the area at the moment we have no evdence that he was in scotland at the time let alone dalkieth if we could the rough area of were he was at the time it would we dont have to know the eact place but roughly were he was
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trouble is you have linking him to the area at the moment we have no evdence that he was in scotland at the time let alone dalkieth if we could the rough area of were he was at the time it would we dont have to know the eact place but roughly were he was
Clearly difficult to put him in the Edinburgh environs. If it were possible to get his DNA it could be checked against the 4 unidentified samples. It would be useful to find if his wife had relatives in the vicinity but since she supports him she is unlikely to cooperate.
Does his laptop contain a picture of JJ. Could the DNA samples be tested for ancestry to see if any show strong Italian origin markers.
It is possible he wore gloves and ensured they were contaminated with other male DNA. He is a cunning killer as the evidence and facts of the HB case show. He falsified his computerised workplace time sheets to get an alibi for the HB murder.
Some say he was playing catch me if you can with the police, particularly with the first case involving the disappearance of Elisa Claps, for which he was a strong candidate but he was able to worm his way out, as he did when first under suspicion/consideration for the HB murder.
Had it not been for the police charging and prosecuting LM who was shoehorned into the crime as the murderer, it may well have been unsolved and the crime, like some of the others I list, attributed to him.
DR and his wife used to house students who were traveling or studying. Dorset police actually warned some of them as well as his wife of the fact that he may be dangerous. I seem to remember something about him going to visit some of the girls who had stayed there at various times.
At face value without what we know if people were presented with two possible perpetrators and their backgrounds given, I believe most would choose DR over LM
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well it doesnt have to be Edinburgh just puting him in scotland at the right time would be a good start im sure there must be some evdence of his whereabouts in 2003