Rob rudely posted yesterday -
'I totally agree Snow, when the toxicology reports showed Sheila was not sedated I became very interested in the case when watching the WHF series.
Am glad you can see through Adams BS'
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Can you post Sheila's toxicology report on here. Posters will find it interesting.
The shooting incident which unfolded at Whitehouse farm, was 'sparked off' by 'a combination of factors' which had got 'nothing to do with any possible involvement' of 'Jeremy Bamber'..I don't think Nevill ever received the letter.
One of the contributing factors, involved 'the unstable mind set' of 'more than one of the five victims' - 'Sheila', 'June' and 'Neville'! Another factor was the 'medical functionability' of 'Sheila' and 'June Bamber'..
Also, the fact that on her journey to whf, 'Colin Caffell' may have 'lit the touch paper' by rejecting the possibility of 'he' and 'she', and 'their two children' would 'never be reunited' together as 'a proper family unit'...
There is also, the factor concerning 'the contents' of that 'letter' which 'Colin' had 'written himself, and to which' he had handed it over' to 'Neville' upon arrival at the farmhouse.'four of the deaths', and the 'suicide' involved 'the interaction of three of the adult victims', and 'police'..
***THE POLICE SHOT AND KILLED 'SHEILA CAFFELL'!
I don't think Nevill ever received the letter.
Am surprised you cannot find it Adam ;)
Am surprised you cannot find it Adam ;)
Thank you. Better late than never.
Where does it say 'Sheila was not sedated'?
Where does it say she was Adam?
I never said it did.
You posted - 'when the toxicology reports showed Sheila was not sedated'.
It's you Adam who has posted many times Sheila was sedated, despite there being nothing in the toxicology reports to say she was.
Well I have said she was Haloperiodal. Sedative effects being just one of many side effects.
Well I have said she was Haloperiodal. Sedative effects being just one of many side effects.
Yes we all know she was on Haloperiodol, her dose had recently been halved and she was due another dose. So you cannot say she was sedated because this is a side effect of Haloperiodol.
Docile ? Famed for ranting and raving, throwing pots and pans about and shoving her hand through plate glass ::)
Do elaborate & provide sources.
Pots & pans to a 5X massacre. Sheila would be very docile & uncordinated from the Haloperidal.
Docile ? Famed for ranting and raving, throwing pots and pans about and shoving her hand through plate glass ::)But this was during the marriage to Colin, when she was taking no anti-psychotic medication. As for the incident witnessed by her drug dealer Freddie Emani, she was banging her fists against the wall, never against a person and never against her children.
Let's just call it 2 adults as opposed to 5 people, one sick adult and the other tired/ worn out after a full day in the fields. An easy target for a young fit person in a psychotic state, delusional and hallucinating.Even if she was young and fit (negated by several witnesses those last days) the psychosis involves confusion, certainly not a fit state to pinpoint 25 bullets reloading twice uninterrupted.
It's you Adam who has posted many times Sheila was sedated, despite there being nothing in the toxicology reports to say she was.
Sheila was only days away from her next injection so in effect what she had left would be of no use in containing/ controlling her illness as in fact because the dose had been lowered anyway the less it was the more dangerous in the sense that it was a large drop from what she had been originally signed up for.
Those who are given medication for heart problems who see a drop in their dosage more often than not suffer a heart attack, so why would anyone reduce the dosage of a vital medication ?
Even if she was young and fit (negated by several witnesses those last days) the psychosis involves confusion, certainly not a fit state to pinpoint 25 bullets reloading twice uninterrupted.
At death she was found to have in her system, an adequate and theraputic amount of Haloperidol, low to moderate doses of which have been found to be adequate for most severely psychotic patients, which would have been efficacious until her next dose, which I believe to have been due sometime the following week.
Regarding heart meds, my adored M. often had his changed according to what his doctors felt was necessary. The balance is all important. A theraputic dose, not more than, is all that's necessary.
Sheila's final dose wasn't therapeutic Jane, it was dangerously low.
I certainly agree about balance and regularity too.
At death she was found to have in her system, an adequate and theraputic amount of Haloperidol, low to moderate doses of which have been found to be adequate for most severely psychotic patients, which would have been efficacious until her next dose, which I believe to have been due sometime the following week.
Regarding heart meds, my adored M. often had his changed according to what his doctors felt was necessary. The balance is all important. A theraputic dose, not more than, is all that's necessary.
You are taking the apparent findings of a paper you quoted (and that you have not read) out of context in order to make a different argument.There's still no evidence that she was a mortal risk to others.
Sheila's dosage had been negligently reduced, the concentration of Haloperidol in her body was small by her death, and she was only days from her next dosage. She was taking cannabis, and probably drinking and taking cocaine.
In my view, the pharmacology/toxicology aspects of this case have not been considered in sufficient depth.
There's still no evidence that she was a mortal risk to others.
I agree, but that doesn't matter. A would-be killer is of no mortal risk to others until he embarks on his killing.Good point Gascoigne,if there was any evidence of fist fights or such,no doubt this would have been brought up and argued he had a violent nature.
I could add that there's no evidence that Jeremy Bamber was violent in the least, whereas Julie Mugford was violent towards Jeremy Bamber, and Sheila Caffell was violent towards Colin Caffell, and allegedly towards the twins.
I agree, but that doesn't matter. A would-be killer is of no mortal risk to others until he embarks on his killing.There's no evidence that the twins were ever a recipient of violence. This is again scurrilous rumour, which I'm surprised (or am I?) you seem to have swallowed hook, line and sinker. Julie threw a bar of Shield soap into a shopping cart in a Maldon supermarket and it hit Jeremy on the nose, so maybe she should be escorted to Styal prison forthwith. Jeremy pinned Julie's arm behind her back at Moreshead Mansions, when he realized the truth was finally about to emerge.
I could add that there's no evidence that Jeremy Bamber was violent in the least, whereas Julie Mugford was violent towards Jeremy Bamber, and Sheila Caffell was violent towards Colin Caffell, and allegedly towards the twins.
I agree, but that doesn't matter. A would-be killer is of no mortal risk to others until he embarks on his killing.
I could add that there's no evidence that Jeremy Bamber was violent in the least, whereas Julie Mugford was violent towards Jeremy Bamber, and Sheila Caffell was violent towards Colin Caffell, and allegedly towards the twins.
Julie was in London on the massacre night.She destroyed some of his artwork and threw a pan at him.
What did Sheila do to CC?
Am surprised you cannot find it Adam ;)
Sheila had 15 ng/mL of haloperidol in her blood at the time of her death.
(https://s8.postimg.cc/48pic1zed/hal2.png)
According to a 1992 study "Haloperidol Blood Levels and Clinical Effects" They consider Haloperidol blood levels as follows -
low (2 to 13 ng/mL), medium (13.1 to 24 ng/mL), or high (24.1 to 35 ng/mL).
According to a 1980s study, heavy sedation is associated with levels in excess of 50ng/mL
(https://s8.postimg.cc/5nr30sfx1/hal3.png)
Another source saying Haloperidal causes sedation.Enough to give up her life without any struggle Adam?
Sheila was able to visit Bamber on the farm. Then say 'Yes/No' to PB for 3 minutes. So was probably on mild to medium sedation.
Enough to give up her life without any struggle Adam?Did you note how she appeared to various locals that final day snow?
Enough to give up her life without any struggle Adam?
Enough to give up her life without any struggle Adam?
Did you note how she appeared to various locals that final day snow?No i dont suppose i did Steve,is this in CALS book.
There's no evidence that the twins were ever a recipient of violence. This is again scurrilous rumour, which I'm surprised (or am I?) you seem to have swallowed hook, line and sinker. Julie threw a bar of Shield soap into a shopping cart in a Maldon supermarket and it hit Jeremy on the nose, so maybe she should be escorted to Styal prison forthwith. Jeremy pinned Julie's arm behind her back at Moreshead Mansions, when he realized the truth was finally about to emerge.
Sheila had 15 ng/mL of haloperidol in her blood at the time of her death.
(https://s8.postimg.cc/48pic1zed/hal2.png)
According to a 1992 study "Haloperidol Blood Levels and Clinical Effects" They consider Haloperidol blood levels as follows -
low (2 to 13 ng/mL), medium (13.1 to 24 ng/mL), or high (24.1 to 35 ng/mL).
According to a 1980s study, heavy sedation is associated with levels in excess of 50ng/mL
(https://s8.postimg.cc/5nr30sfx1/hal3.png)
Thanks for this, Rob. Having read it and reread it, it supports everything I've said
It is more than just a scurrilous rumour, but it is less than proved.It's a scurrilous rumour that the twins were abused by anyone's hand.
I explicitly stated that it was alleged. I did not state it as fact. I have 'swallowed' nothing.