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Offline David1819

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Re: The murder of Jodi Jones
« Reply #1665 on: October 05, 2019, 09:23:PM »
I am concerned that this thread - and in fact the entire board related to this case - is degenerating into personal attacks on one person.  That is not acceptable.

Its seems to me like justified and constructive criticism. (With the exception of Lithium)

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Re: The murder of Jodi Jones
« Reply #1666 on: October 05, 2019, 09:34:PM »
Its seems to me like justified and constructive criticism. (With the exception of Lithium)

I have no problem with strong criticism based upon rational argument.  I do have a problem with personal attack and denigration.  The abuse hurled at Sandra Lean (who has the courage to post using her real name, unlike her attackers) is totally unacceptable.  I will intervene as necessary.


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Re: The murder of Jodi Jones
« Reply #1667 on: October 05, 2019, 09:45:PM »
I have no problem with strong criticism based upon rational argument.  I do have a problem with personal attack and denigration.  The abuse hurled at Sandra Lean (who has the courage to post using her real name, unlike her attackers) is totally unacceptable.  I will intervene as necessary.
From recollection there was only one comment I would classify as personal invective, and let's face it if you do stick your head above the parapet you should be prepared for scrutiny.

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Re: The murder of Jodi Jones
« Reply #1668 on: October 05, 2019, 10:21:PM »
From recollection there was only one comment I would classify as personal invective, and let's face it if you do stick your head above the parapet you should be prepared for scrutiny.

I agree with NGB Steve, it's one thing to be challenged on an opinion, it's another when it gets personal - there is no need for it.
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Re: The murder of Jodi Jones
« Reply #1669 on: October 05, 2019, 10:34:PM »
We know what side of the fence your loyalties lie, that's fine. I mean whatever, what do we call you anyway? Your patronizing tone & your refusal to cross out abuse flung at my-self, and even though i pointed this out in the past it has went unchecked. That is called double standards. You can call me Davie btw.

Why according to you, does Lean have to get special treatment? This so-called personal abuse is non-existent, what? you have crossed out a few words, and you're calling it personal abuse, deary me.

You completely seem to be forgetting, even though she has now admitted to spreading misinformation, these things have real life affects, and if i'm perfectly honest, i think the folk on here are very timid and holding back to what really should be said.  But yea you don't have a sense of humour, so whatever.

hey show some respect for the mods they dont have to let you post here.


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Re: The murder of Jodi Jones
« Reply #1670 on: October 06, 2019, 12:44:AM »
Respect works both ways, not once but twice i have felt this particular mod has disrespected and patronized me on this public forum. This particular Mod IMO is not being impartial.

But i know your motive behind your comment, you have no argument, you have been sussed, your leader has been sussed, so you want to silence the opposition, you's have no idea how to deal with me, lithium or parky, can add a few others as well. You especially want us gone. At least Sandra puts up a bit of a fight, you on the other hand. Your like a lingering bad fart, that pops up to instigate trouble, then runs away & hides behind your leader when the going gets tough & when it really gets tough, you go crying to the Mods, you've been at this for over a decade, it truly is pathetic.

any other forum you would already have been banned especialy if you went around atacking the mods ngb is being incredbly pateint

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Re: The murder of Jodi Jones
« Reply #1671 on: October 06, 2019, 11:23:AM »
We know what side of the fence your loyalties lie, that's fine. I mean whatever, what do we call you anyway? Your patronizing tone & your refusal to cross out abuse flung at my-self, and even though i pointed this out in the past it has went unchecked. That is called double standards. You can call me Davie btw.

Why according to you, does Lean have to get special treatment? This so-called personal abuse is non-existent, what? you have crossed out a few words, and you're calling it personal abuse, deary me.

You completely seem to be forgetting, even though she has now admitted to spreading misinformation, these things have real life affects, and if i'm perfectly honest, i think the folk on here are very timid and holding back to what really should be said.  But yea you don't have a sense of humour, so whatever.

I will try to answer your points as highlighted in blue.  As far as this case is concerned I have no loyalties.  I have not studied the case and have no view on the guilt or innocence of Luke Mitchell.  You can call me ngb1066.  However, my real identity is well known here, unlike those who are currently attacking.  Sandra Lean does not get special treatment.  In editing recent posts I have acted on my own judgement.  Sandra Lean has not lodged complaints about posts, I have edited where I considered a post has crossed the line into personal abuse.  As most members here will accept moderation on this forum is generally very light.



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Re: The murder of Jodi Jones
« Reply #1672 on: October 06, 2019, 11:29:AM »
From recollection there was only one comment I would classify as personal invective, and let's face it if you do stick your head above the parapet you should be prepared for scrutiny.

There were several comments which in my view were personal invective.  I agree that if you stick your head above the parapet you should be prepared for scrutiny and I am sure Sandra Lean accepts that.  However, whilst strong challenge is acceptable personal abuse is not.  Some posts have been menacing in tone and given that Sandra Lean has faced threats and intimidation in the past this is something we have to be very careful about.

I emphasise I have no axe to grind here.


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Re: The murder of Jodi Jones
« Reply #1673 on: October 06, 2019, 01:06:PM »
When?

I don't know the details but she has referred to it.  Ask her and I am sure she will tell you.


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Re: The murder of Jodi Jones
« Reply #1674 on: October 06, 2019, 03:38:PM »
The problem with bullies and cowards is that they usually try to ensure there are no witnesses.

There is a police record of Joseph Jones being given a warning after he turned up on my doorstep threatening me. I have a copy of an email from someone calling himself "John Jones" telling me to "do everyone a favour, next time you're out, throw yourself under a bus" and making references to the same thing "happening to your daughters".

The incidents of being spat on, pushed off the pavement onto the road, threatened in Tescos car park were not witnessed by anyone I know, although all took place in public places.

The incident of being threatened in a local pub was witnessed by 5 other people I do know.

The incident where sunflowers were hung at the end of my street to highlight where I live was admitted to, online, by Judith Jones herself.

I've had private messages on forums threatening to publish my home address, phone number, pictures of my home and my daughters online. I have archives of these and no, I'm not going to spend hours digging them out to satisfy those who choose to believe I've never been threatened.

Even as recently as the James English interviews, there were comments warning me that I'd "better be careful."

It's easy (not to mention utterly cowardly) to threaten someone who lives alone - Joseph Jones' mistake in coming to my door that day was in thinking there would be no witnesses. He was wrong on three counts.

For those who think I've made these claims in order to appear as a victim - not a chance. I've carried on doing what I do in spite of the threats for over 16 years. And, as I've said so many times before, I will not back down to bullies. OK?

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Re: The murder of Jodi Jones
« Reply #1675 on: October 06, 2019, 04:16:PM »
It just shows the lengths some people will go to if the view of others doesn't match their own ! Shocking.

 

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Re: The murder of Jodi Jones
« Reply #1676 on: October 06, 2019, 05:13:PM »
Got to love the good old keyboard warrior.

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Re: The murder of Jodi Jones
« Reply #1677 on: October 06, 2019, 05:18:PM »
Got to love the good old keyboard warrior.

Sandra's experiences sound a bit more serious than that! If Luke is guilty, Sandra's opinion and her campaign to have the case looked at, won't set him free and she has every right to stand up for what she believes in. You don't have to agree - personally, I don't -  but making threats? I don't understand how anyone could go that far!
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Re: The murder of Jodi Jones
« Reply #1678 on: October 06, 2019, 05:34:PM »
Posting pictures of her home and daughters online.
Low life cowards ( or threatening to)

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Re: The murder of Jodi Jones
« Reply #1679 on: October 06, 2019, 06:18:PM »
It just shows the lengths some people will go to if the view of others doesn't match their own ! Shocking.

From my own experience, Sandra has attempted to mislead me into doubting Luke’s guilt. Other people have had the same experience.

So You can’t blame some people who were close to Lukes victim.
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