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Re: Re: The murder of Jodi Jones
« Reply #150 on: June 16, 2019, 01:13:AM »
The poeple in the area that have burnt corrines business down and made her life a misery should hang there heads in shame. How many were convicted of that offence. Mob justice is a disgrace and I don’t hear anyone of you supporting this argument. Its a complete joke that because she put an arm around her son or slept in The same room As Luke For his safety that she has been treated this way. To be quite frank it’s about time some of these cowards grew some balls and spoke up for what is right and for those that know what happened or who was involved to speak up. Little weasels ! Makes me mad!

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Re: Re: The murder of Jodi Jones
« Reply #151 on: June 16, 2019, 01:49:AM »
There you go again. She isn’t trying to blame anyone.

Have you been reading the same threads and watched same interviews? Ask billy to activate the old forum, read through these forums and the other. The police caught the right person, 16 years and nothing has happened since. The reason they jump between so many people to blame is there is no evidence for each one. How ever there is a massive amount of evidence against luke, hundreds of pages. Ill leave you and nugnug to line up questions for sandra.

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Re: Re: The murder of Jodi Jones
« Reply #152 on: June 16, 2019, 08:46:AM »
When someone is convicted of a serious crime (and sentenced to life imprisonment) it's supposed to be on the basis of proven guilt, beyond reasonable doubt. Let's see what reasonable doubt exists in this case.

(1) DNA from semen on the victim's t-shirt from another man who had no alibi for 12 days. The prosecution explains other semen deposits on the t-shirt and bra as possibly carried there by "rain water diffusion" or "washing machine diffusion". This guy is part of a group who insist on a double check of the path, having gone directly there with no definable reason for doing so. His first words to the police when they arrived were "I suppose you've been to my house first?" He later explained this away as "humour" - minutes after finding his girlfriend's sister's body. He tells police in the 999 call they "phoned the police an hour ago" - much earlier than they actually did call the police and, coincidentally, at the exact time of a mysterious call reporting Jodi missing before she was missing. Admitted experiencing "anger issues". Never considered a suspect.

(2) A man suffering serious psychosis whose medication wasn't working because he was also using recreational drugs. Regular appointment with psychiatrist was cancelled that day apparently because he "wanted to keep smoking cannabis." Was kept away from police attention for the first 9 days of the investigation by others. Alibi from only one person is contradicted by others claimed to have been with him leaving his alibi dependent on just one person whose stories continually change. History of violent outbursts, including attacks with bladed instruments, increasing in the run up to the murder. Direct access to the victim, said to have been at home at the claimed time of the murder but identified by a witness outside of his house, close to the victim. Never considered a suspect.

(3) 2 boys on a moped, whose bike was propped against the wall at the V break, at the precise time the police claimed Jodi was being murdered. They couldn't say where they were or what they were doing. Took 5 days to make themselves known to police following a public appeal for them to come forward. Lied about the time they were on the path (removing themselves for the exact time of the murder, even though it would be several days later before police publicly released the believed time of the murder). One said they didn't come forward because Jodi's Gran told them not to. One cut off his own hair immediately after the murder. Supplied Jodi with cannabis. Was allowed to continue selling cannabis to Luke (who would later also be charged with drug offences). Known to carry knives. One was facing a charge for a serious violent attack on another female at the time of Luke's trial - gave evidence against Luke. Never suspects.

(4) A man masturbated into a condom which was dropped 20 yards from the body on the night of the murder. He wasn't traced for three years. When he was, the distance he said he went down behind the wall meant he would have to have seen the body (but said he didn't). He said that when he heard the following morning that a girl had been found murdered behind the wall, he went out onto Lady path and masturbated behind a tree (within the police cordon). Three arrests for violent attacks by the time he was identified. Never considered a suspect.

(5) After the murder, in 2006, a man driving along a main road spotted a girl walking on a country path in woodland. He swerved into a layby and followed the girl, grabbing her by the hair and pulling her down an embankment, beating her severely and raping her. He had a knife, but the girl managed to struggle free and escape. It was later discovered he was near Roan's Dyke path on the afternoon Jodi was murdered. Never considered a suspect. And to this day, people say there have never been any similar attacks in the area since Luke was convicted!

I could go on. Beyond reasonable doubt means ensuring anyone else who could have been responsible is ruled out on solid, factual evidence. That didn't happen. Four of the people mentioned above knew Jodi well (and she them). All of them lied at some point during the investigation (or others lied for them).

So there you have it. Without naming a single name or pointing a single finger, can anyone reading this factual information seriously claim Luke Mitchell was convicted "beyond reasonable doubt"?

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Re: Re: The murder of Jodi Jones
« Reply #153 on: June 16, 2019, 09:14:AM »
Have you been reading the same threads and watched same interviews? Ask billy to activate the old forum, read through these forums and the other. The police caught the right person, 16 years and nothing has happened since. The reason they jump between so many people to blame is there is no evidence for each one. How ever there is a massive amount of evidence against luke, hundreds of pages. Ill leave you and nugnug to line up questions for sandra.

I have read the other forum etc and I’m still of the same opinion that Luke did not get a fair trial and that certain suspects were never investigated.

Spouting off about Sandra who you obviously have a problem with does not make Luke guilty. This isn’t about Sandra this is about someone shouting about Luke being imprisoned on an u fair trial , trial by media and locals doing their utmost to place the blame firmly on Luke to protect others.

Let’s hear from these cowards x

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Re: Re: The murder of Jodi Jones
« Reply #154 on: June 16, 2019, 12:19:PM »
Sandra be honest, don't beat about the bush name everone youve pointed the finger at over the years.

You can mislead as much as you like on here to try convince random people, controlled interviews and forum use.
When it comes down to it your arguments arnt credible and that's why youve failed to help free luke, you have failed to convince the people who matter. Deep down you know hes guilty, like simon hall you wont admit it no matter what. your to involved now, books, worried what reputation you have left if any is nearly gone.

Are you 'just' helping mojo, surly an expert like you with all facts, truths would have a seat at the top table. Was there any fall out, disagreement with luke and you?

Corrine said lawers wont touch them, you said they will. What is it ? Someones lying, again


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Re: Re: The murder of Jodi Jones
« Reply #155 on: June 16, 2019, 12:41:PM »
Unlike Luke, this guy had 2 alibis, one being Jodi's older sister. No motive. "I suppose you've been to my house first?" is suspicious but Corrine's first words when finding out were "Has Luke been arrested yet?"

You're referring to Jodi's brother.  Please provide a source for the claim his medication wasn't working? Again, had an alibi. Jodi's mum. Wasn't identified by anyone outside his house and rarely left his bedroom. No criminal background as stated. No motive.

Ok sure. I think they were considered suspects and police made an appeal to find them. Like every other male close to the victim except Luke, they were able to rule them out.

Jodi wasn't raped. Unless you think someone raped Jodi using a condom, didn't leave any DNA on the body or the crime scene, or have Jodi's DNA on the condom, but was then foolish enough to leave it nearby with his semen in it, I think you can stop trying to force the idea that a condom near the crime scene was at all linked to the non-sexual murder of a young girl.

Really trying to blame the Da Vinci rapist again Sandra? Embarrassing. This was about 10 miles away from where Jodi was murdered. Jodi was't grabbed and pulled down anywhere, she voluntarily climbed over a wall with someone she trusted. Oh and Jodi wasn't raped. There were absolutely no witness sightings of any bald man in his mid 20s that day. More than one of a teenager with shoulder length dirty blonde hair. There have been no similar attacks in the area since Luke was convicted. Robert Greens raping someone years later does not cast "reasonable doubt" on Luke Mitchell's murder conviction in any way. Wtf?!

joe had an albi fromhis mum sodid luke if lukes mums albi isnt good enough neather is the albi of jodis mum

and steven kelly has an albi from his girlfreind thats really not good enough ethere wullie gage had an albi
from his girlfriend and hes doing life now.
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Re: Re: The murder of Jodi Jones
« Reply #156 on: June 16, 2019, 12:52:PM »
joe had an albi fromhis mum sodid luke if lukes mums albi isnt good enough is the albi of jodis mum

and steven kelly has an albi from his girlfreind thats really not good enough ethere wullie gage had an albi
from his girlfriend and hes doing life now.

Totally agree but nut and if either of them had been convicted they would be shouting they didn't
Get a fair trial

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Re: Re: The murder of Jodi Jones
« Reply #157 on: June 16, 2019, 01:32:PM »
Totally agree but nut and if either of them had been convicted they would be shouting they didn't
Get a fair trial

well ian huntley had an albi from his girlfriend we all know how much that was worth.

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Re: Re: The murder of Jodi Jones
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Re: Re: The murder of Jodi Jones
« Reply #159 on: June 16, 2019, 06:37:PM »
Unlike Luke, this guy had 2 alibis, one being Jodi's older sister. No motive. "I suppose you've been to my house first?" is suspicious but Corrine's first words when finding out were "Has Luke been arrested yet?"

Tut tut, Lithium. For 12 days, according to his own and Janine's statements, he had no alibi. Nada! In those statements, he left Janine's Gran's either late morning or around lunchtime and that's the last we hear of him until around 7pm when he's back in the gran's house watching "Natural Born Killers" with Janine. The alibi of two people didn't appear until 12 days in. Corinne's first words were "Jodi's dead?" (unless the cops are lying about that). The claim that she asked "Has he been arrested?" (the word "yet" was never suggested to have been used) was never corroborated. That said, if your son was in the back of a police car that you weren't being allowed into, having just heard that his girlfriend was dead, "Has he been arrested?" would seem like an obvious question - why else would they have him isolated in the back of a police car?

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You're referring to Jodi's brother.  Please provide a source for the claim his medication wasn't working? Again, had an alibi. Jodi's mum. Wasn't identified by anyone outside his house and rarely left his bedroom. No criminal background as stated. No motive.

I quite deliberately did not name any of the people I'm talking about here. if you want to think I'm talking about Jodi's brother, that's entirely up to you. Information about the person whose medication was not working because of continued use of recreational drugs is in the case papers. But if we're talking specifically about Jodi's brother, why was his mum's alibi (which does not stand up because of the statements of others) acceptable when Luke's mum's wasn't? I'm sorry, you're quite wrong about him being identified outside the house - he was, and I have the documents to prove it. Rarely left his room? He was at his Gran's house on the Saturday night, went out somewhere until around midnight, returned to his gran's and stayed there overnight, returned to his mum's on the Sunday, walked back up to his Gran's on the Sunday evening (on his own) and walked back to his mum's on the Monday. I didn't say Jodi's brother had a "criminal background" anywhere - it's really not cool to misquote people to shore up your own arguments.

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Ok sure. I think they were considered suspects and police made an appeal to find them. Like every other male close to the victim except Luke, they were able to rule them out.

The boys on the moped were ruled out before the DNA results came back and before it was discovered they'd lied about the time on the path. Exactly what was it that "enabled" the police to rule them out in these circumstances?

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Jodi wasn't raped. Unless you think someone raped Jodi using a condom, didn't leave any DNA on the body or the crime scene, or have Jodi's DNA on the condom, but was then foolish enough to leave it nearby with his semen in it, I think you can stop trying to force the idea that a condom near the crime scene was at all linked to the non-sexual murder of a young girl.

You have conflated "non sexual" with "not sexually motivated." Did you know the police considered the possibility that Jodi had been sexually assaulted (potentially an attempted rape with a condom) but couldn't complete that line of enquiry because the swabbings from the outside of the condom were so badly done, no DNA profiles could be reliably obtained from them? No? They spent quite a bit of time on that theory, but once again, shoddy crime scene practices lost vital evidence. Ever considered that the person who dropped the condom didn't mean to drop it and, by the time he discovered he had, it was too late to go retrieve it?

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Really trying to blame the Da Vinci rapist again Sandra? Embarrassing. This was about 10 miles away from where Jodi was murdered. Jodi was't grabbed and pulled down anywhere, she voluntarily climbed over a wall with someone she trusted. Oh and Jodi wasn't raped. There were absolutely no witness sightings of any bald man in his mid 20s that day. More than one of a teenager with shoulder length dirty blonde hair. There have been no similar attacks in the area since Luke was convicted. Robert Greens raping someone years later does not cast "reasonable doubt" on Luke Mitchell's murder conviction in any way. Wtf?!

It would be really easy to just give up here! I don't know how many times I have to say it, I'm not "trying to blame" anyone! Roan's Dyke Path to Rosslyn Glen is 5.5 miles - about 10 minutes' drive at 30mph. Jodi was most definitely grabbed and pulled down, by the hair. We don't know if she climbed over the wall or went into the woodland strip from another, easily accessible point (the big break at the top of the path or the field at the other side of the woodland strip). There were other people she would have trusted to go over the wall with on the path at the time she would have been walking down it. There are no witness sightings on record of a bald man in his 20s that day because nobody was asking for them. How many sightings of "a teenager with dirty blond, shoulder length hair" do you think there might be in an area with 2 High Schools  and about 1500 pupils between them? (BTW, he didn't have shoulder length hair at the time.) Similarities between the two attacks: young female on country path in woodland, attacker armed with knife, victim dragged by the hair, beaten and partially strangled.

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Re: Re: The murder of Jodi Jones
« Reply #160 on: June 16, 2019, 07:32:PM »
strange to rule people out before the dna results cme back isnt it mind you strange to let the crime scne by scrubbed with bleach and to let the bins be emptied when your looking for a mrder weapon.

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Re: Re: The murder of Jodi Jones
« Reply #161 on: June 17, 2019, 02:46:PM »
Imagine if Falconer was put in the stand at the original trial.

Finley: how did a condom with your seamen appear 50 ft from a murder scene
JF: I was playing with myself at the time because I have no privacy at home
Finley: what time was this? What route did you take to get there?
JF. Could have been as late as 9pm, and I went this way and that!
Finley: so you stepped over a naked  and mutilated body on your way there?
JF: na! Of course not I didn’t see anything.
Case closed and back to the drawing board for Lothian and borders police if the procurator fiscal even allowed it to trial.

One thing that gets to me is that so much of what we know counteracts with what we know!
We know two people were on a motorised bike GD and AN OTHER, these are on camera at a tool hire place. They are seen pushing the bike. The bike is seen propped up against the V break in the wall. All before and at the very time of the murder. These two were never spotted heading home to GD’s house, these two couldn’t even say what route they took back home, these two were proven to have lied about the times they were supposed to be home at GD’s house. These two quickly changed their pre arranged plans for that night due to ! Well nothing really.

Let’s take that in context with what we know of Luke’s movements, not seen before the murder anywhere, not seen at the murder scene,not seen escaping the murder scene in a state that would make anyone believe that he had just brutally killed is girlfriend. Was possibly seen hanging around at what was basically his end of the path by a couple of chancers, who were almost held in contempt of court by colluding with each other on their testimonies. Ok Luke was seen prior to 6pm by a few lads who knew him sitting on a wall at the Newbattle end. This is conducive of what Luke maintains was his actions, home after school to lark around until time to make dinner, he was nowhere to be seen by anyone!!

The trouble is the two motorised bikers can be placed at the scene but can’t be placed leaving it! If I was a manipulating person who only wanted to see a brutal murderer  off the hook I could suggest this was because they committed,witnessed and covered up a horrendous crime. Of course I’m not suggesting that, but I do wonder why two individuals who went a long way to discredit Luke as a cannabis user and seller who carries knives simply not say they saw him there! They were there so WHY! Didn’t they see him?

This takes me to something I don’t remember the answers to, the bike was seen placed at the V break, but it had to have been removed at some point. Do we have a time where we can tie down exactly when that bike wasn’t there
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Re: Re: The murder of Jodi Jones
« Reply #162 on: June 17, 2019, 03:19:PM »
We don't, Gordo, and that's always bothered me. Both Dickies statements were all over the place. GD couldn't remember if his dad and the dogs (all 8 of them) were at home when he and JF got back, but he did remember they were home but went out shortly after 5.30pm, but it could have been 8 o'clock. He and JF went to a local shop for beer, etc, around 7pm, but he didn't know if his dad was home with the dogs then or not.

DD said he went out with the dogs "later on," possibly around 8 or 9pm (from memory, there were no statements from DD in the defence files - the information about going out around 8 or 9 was given in a media interview).

The guy on the pushbike didn't mention seeing the moped, but they had that guy so harassed, he didn't know if he was coming or going - he actually said on the stand, "They were making me feel like I was a suspect." In terms of the time he cycled up the path, according to police timings, it was between 5pm and 10 past, but that was on the basis of a route they pushed him to agree he'd cycled. Like AB, he told them the routes he normally cycled and that he couldn't be sure which one he cycled that evening, so they chose the one that fitted the timing they needed.

Either Ferris or Dickie jnr said there was a yellow pushbike against the railings at the back of the school, at the top of the path. The bike (and its owner) were never traced and the bike didn't fit any know descriptions of bikes belonging to anyone connected to the investigation. Was there a bike, or did they just make that up?

There was a phone call to Dickie's mobile phone from his girlfriend (or maybe vice versa- I'll have to check) that was used as "proof" of the time Dickie was back in his home - an exact reversal of the way the call to the speaking clock was used as "proof" that Luke was out of his house!

The only presumption we're left with is that Dickie and Ferris, if they returned to Dickie's home at 5.30pm, returned there on the moped.

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Re: Re: The murder of Jodi Jones
« Reply #163 on: June 17, 2019, 03:24:PM »
i think if falconer had come to police atetin he would have had to come up with a much better story.

funny he said about 9 a clock though hes dropin himself in it there

was that becouse he could only give that time becouse his other movements were acounted for that day.

or was he just trying to make it to late for him to have been the killer.

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Re: Re: The murder of Jodi Jones
« Reply #164 on: June 17, 2019, 03:29:PM »
im coming to the belief that jodi  was atacked twice that day.

before she was murderd i belive earlyer in the day somebody had already hit her that person may or may not be the killer.