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Offline Adam

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Re: Sheila's first rifle load:
« Reply #45 on: October 12, 2019, 06:01:PM »
It was around 3:15pm

A few hours before the massacre?
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Re: Sheila's first rifle load:
« Reply #46 on: October 12, 2019, 06:06:PM »
A few hours before the massacre?



Just before(?) the trip into Tiptree when Sheila was seen to be unkempt and 'disinterested' in the shop where June bought things for the boys.

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Re: Sheila's first rifle load:
« Reply #47 on: October 12, 2019, 06:13:PM »
Was this on the massacre evening?
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Re: Sheila's first rifle load:
« Reply #48 on: October 12, 2019, 06:23:PM »


Just before(?) the trip into Tiptree when Sheila was seen to be unkempt and 'disinterested' in the shop where June bought things for the boys.
Five miles away in Tiptree, Barry Parker ganced up as June and Sheila entered his clothes shop on Church Road. The twins followed their mother, who looked fashionable in tight black pedal pushers and black pumps. The group congregated at the jeans rail. Nicholas and Daniel chose a pair and went into the changing rooms.

"What do you think?" June asked, turning to Sheila as the boys came out to show them.

"I like them," Sheila said quietly.

When Parker told them the price, June exclaimed, "We only want cheap ones for wear on the farm!" But they settled on the more expensive pair; the twins put £5 each towards the cost and June paid the rest. Parker was curious about Sheila, who spoke just twice during their half hour in the shop. She seemed "vague and distant", she wasn't interested in the children and she struck me as a very strange woman.". As they left, he called out goodbye to see how she would react. He recoiled when Sheila turned and smiled, her red lipstick "smudged all over her teeth".

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Re: Sheila's first rifle load:
« Reply #49 on: October 12, 2019, 06:25:PM »
!. June would have inherited from her mothers death, with June out of the way, he'd have gotten granny's money as well.
2, no evidence whatsoever of any debt associated with Sheila
3. why would he need money worries to want to inherit? He didn't want the cash to pay bills, he wanted it to enhance his life!




Jeremy was intelligent ( not clever ) and if it ever entered his head to do anything foolish anyway, he'd have known right away that if he had, there'd be no inheritance at all. 

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Re: Sheila's first rifle load:
« Reply #50 on: October 12, 2019, 06:27:PM »
Yes Adam.

Obviously this means Sheila could not have committed the massacre. But would have been easy for Bamber to control.
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Re: Sheila's first rifle load:
« Reply #51 on: October 12, 2019, 06:29:PM »



Jeremy was intelligent ( not clever ) and if it ever entered his head to do anything foolish anyway, he'd have known right away that if he had, there'd be no inheritance at all.
But the point was that he didn't want to share his inheritance with Sheila. The twins were also approaching the age when he himself had been packed off to boarding school, which would eat into his inheritance, not to mention the recent private hospital stay, the bills for which were lying atop Nevill's desk in his den.
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Re: Sheila's first rifle load:
« Reply #52 on: October 12, 2019, 06:43:PM »
Five miles away in Tiptree, Barry Parker ganced up as June and Sheila entered his clothes shop on Church Road. The twins followed their mother, who looked fashionable in tight black pedal pushers and black pumps. The group congregated at the jeans rail. Nicholas and Daniel chose a pair and went into the changing rooms.

"What do you think?" June asked, turning to Sheila as the boys came out to show them.

"I like them," Sheila said quietly.

When Parker told them the price, June exclaimed, "We only want cheap ones for wear on the farm!" But they settled on the more expensive pair; the twins put £5 each towards the cost and June paid the rest. Parker was curious about Sheila, who spoke just twice during their half hour in the shop. She seemed "vague and distant", she wasn't interested in the children and she struck me as a very strange woman.". As they left, he called out goodbye to see how she would react. He recoiled when Sheila turned and smiled, her red lipstick "smudged all over her teeth".






Those black pumps were removed from the property never to be seen again !

Sheila's reaction is one I'd seen before, who'd lived close to me as a matter of fact and someone I've mentioned on the forum in the past, so I know how they function or don't as regards moods etc. It's usually because they don't have a proper sleep pattern and tend to be wide awake most nights and dopey in the daytime.
Sheila used to ring her father at all hours of the night/morning obviously because she couldn't sleep so Nevill would have felt drained at times at having to get up early to see to the farm as well. June wouldn't have been very pleased about it either.
So Sheila would have come alive at night at WHF the same as when she'd been at home though I suspect that the various clubs kept her going there and helped pass the night. 

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Re: Sheila's first rifle load:
« Reply #53 on: October 12, 2019, 06:49:PM »



Jeremy was intelligent ( not clever ) and if it ever entered his head to do anything foolish anyway, he'd have known right away that if he had, there'd be no inheritance at all.


Those who commit murder -or plan to- don't for one moment think they won't get away with it. They work on a plan which they believe is smart enough to outwit suspicion falling on them. The lure of money is greater than the fear of getting caught.

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Re: Sheila's first rifle load:
« Reply #54 on: October 12, 2019, 06:58:PM »




Those black pumps were removed from the property never to be seen again !

Sheila's reaction is one I'd seen before, who'd lived close to me as a matter of fact and someone I've mentioned on the forum in the past, so I know how they function or don't as regards moods etc. It's usually because they don't have a proper sleep pattern and tend to be wide awake most nights and dopey in the daytime.
Sheila used to ring her father at all hours of the night/morning obviously because she couldn't sleep so Nevill would have felt drained at times at having to get up early to see to the farm as well. June wouldn't have been very pleased about it either.
So Sheila would have come alive at night at WHF the same as when she'd been at home though I suspect that the various clubs kept her going there and helped pass the night.
I don't think Sheila did have much of a social life those last few years, going off the Clare Powell book. She was unkempt, she often forgot to wash herself even though she may have been on the lookout for a rich partner, though ironically it was Colin who was her greatest support during this period of her life.

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Re: Sheila's first rifle load:
« Reply #55 on: October 12, 2019, 07:06:PM »




Those black pumps were removed from the property never to be seen again !

Sheila's reaction is one I'd seen before, who'd lived close to me as a matter of fact and someone I've mentioned on the forum in the past, so I know how they function or don't as regards moods etc. It's usually because they don't have a proper sleep pattern and tend to be wide awake most nights and dopey in the daytime.
Sheila used to ring her father at all hours of the night/morning obviously because she couldn't sleep so Nevill would have felt drained at times at having to get up early to see to the farm as well. June wouldn't have been very pleased about it either.
So Sheila would have come alive at night at WHF the same as when she'd been at home though I suspect that the various clubs kept her going there and helped pass the night.


Possibly so -and I have no doubt that you believe you've met Sheila's 'type' before, therefore know how "they" all function- but as you've plucked that fact out of the ether we have NO idea of when it was. I COULD have been prior to he first breakdown. It COULD have been when she was first alone with the twins after Colin left. It could have been ANY time but there's no evidence of it being recent and just prior to the murders, ie neither June nor Nevill is said to have reported her sleeplessness and I'd have thought the housekeeper would have been one of the first to know. Therefore, just as we can't assume to know how their last conversation went, nor can we assume that Sheila wasn't sleeping, we certainly can't assume that she clubbed as frequently as it's being implied.
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Re: Sheila's first rifle load:
« Reply #56 on: October 12, 2019, 10:02:PM »




Those black pumps were removed from the property never to be seen again !

Sheila's reaction is one I'd seen before, who'd lived close to me as a matter of fact and someone I've mentioned on the forum in the past, so I know how they function or don't as regards moods etc. It's usually because they don't have a proper sleep pattern and tend to be wide awake most nights and dopey in the daytime.
Sheila used to ring her father at all hours of the night/morning obviously because she couldn't sleep so Nevill would have felt drained at times at having to get up early to see to the farm as well. June wouldn't have been very pleased about it either.
So Sheila would have come alive at night at WHF the same as when she'd been at home though I suspect that the various clubs kept her going there and helped pass the night.

How do you know what Sheila did?
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Re: Sheila's first rifle load:
« Reply #57 on: October 13, 2019, 10:10:AM »

Those who commit murder -or plan to- don't for one moment think they won't get away with it. They work on a plan which they believe is smart enough to outwit suspicion falling on them. The lure of money is greater than the fear of getting caught.




A lot of clever people haven't been caught----such as those who flee the country. They're the ones who fear being caught not those who are easily accessible such as sitting ducks like JB was in his innocence.

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Re: Sheila's first rifle load:
« Reply #58 on: October 13, 2019, 10:17:AM »
How do you know what Sheila did?




Pretty much the same as you know she didn't.


PS had to cut short my posting last night because I was out.

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Re: Sheila's first rifle load:
« Reply #59 on: October 13, 2019, 11:25:AM »
But the point was that he didn't want to share his inheritance with Sheila. The twins were also approaching the age when he himself had been packed off to boarding school, which would eat into his inheritance, not to mention the recent private hospital stay, the bills for which were lying atop Nevill's desk in his den.

Lookout has a right to support Jeremy. Obviously her reason of 'a gut feeling' in 1985 could not have been used at trial or the appeals.

A future CCRC application will be based on evidence. However I believe the 2012 CCRC dismissal was the end of the line.

There was a 10 year gap between the last two CCRC applications. There is virtually no chance there will be new evidence strong enough to submit a new application. 
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