Sheila using a shot gun.

[Adam]

Nevill would have quickly disarmed Sheila. If in the very unlikely 3am event that she was bare footed, in a nightie & holding a rifle for shooting rabbits.  As head of the family he had no choice.

As the only adult male in the house, he could control the 4 others simultaneously if he needed to. He would quickly disarm Sheila,  like taking candy from a baby. However there was a very slim chance he would be hit by a torso shot which would not deter or stop him.

Nevill would only have a problem if Sheila was holding a shot gun. Being hit from a shot gun shot would kill Nevill. This would leave the killer free to fire bullets into the other household members & commit suicide.

The sound of the shot gun may have woken June, Daniel & Nicholas and they may have got out of bed. Although it would be surprising if the raised voices downstairs had not already woken them.

There was no possibility Nevill would ever have rung Bamber. So whoever gained access to WHF in the morning would have discovered the bodies.

As everyone knows, the murder weapon was a rifle for shooting rabbits. Nevill would instantly take up the 100% certainly of taking the rifle back.   Despite the very slim chance of getting a torso shot in the process. 

Wonder if Bamber regrets the shooting rabbits story.

[lookout]

There were some shotgun cartridges found on stairs, along with a couple of bandoliers. These stairs I believe were also used to get to the upstairs bedrooms.

[Adam]

Bamber could have said he saw a shot gun in the hall way when he went for supper. He didn't need to say why it was there. It was not his house.

Going out to shoot rabbits, then neither him, June or Nevill putting the rifle away before Nevill not taking the rifle off Sheila, did not happen.

[Adam]

Nevill would automatically disarm Sheila.

It would be a natural reaction a father, grandfather & husband would take. He was also protecting himself although his 4 relations would be the main reason for his action.

He would not think about getting injured himself as long as his family were safe. Which is again, a natural reaction. Although he would know the chance of getting injured was minor.

Sheila holding a shot gun would mean Nevill would hesitate until he was sure he could make a move. However a rifle for shooting rabbits would result in no hesitation, espescially at 3am when he had work in a few hours. 

Either way, there was no possibility of Nevill wanting, needing or being able to make any phone calls.

[maggie]

Nevill would automatically disarm Sheila.

It would be a natural reaction a father, grandfather & husband would take. He was also protecting himself although his 4 relations would be the main reason for his action.

He would not think about getting injured himself as long as his family were safe. Which is again, a natural reaction. Although he would know the chance of getting injured was minor.

Sheila holding a shot gun would mean Nevill would hesitate until he was sure he could make a move. However a rifle for shooting rabbits would result in no hesitation, espescially at 3am when he had work in a few hours. 

Either way, there was no possibility of Nevill wanting, needing or being able to make any phone calls.

Do you not think that if Neville did try to disarm Sheila he would have had to get close enough to her to get hold of the gun.  Surely that would have made it possible for her to shoot him in the face/mouth?  It may be possible to disarm from behind but if he was facing her it could have cause the injuries he suffered.  Just a thought.

[David1819]

Nevill would have quickly disarmed Sheila. If in the very unlikely 3am event that she was bare footed, in a nightie & holding a rifle for shooting rabbits.  As head of the family he had no choice.

As the only adult male in the house, he could control the 4 others simultaneously if he needed to. He would quickly disarm Sheila,  like taking candy from a baby. However there was a very slim chance he would be hit by a torso shot which would not deter or stop him.

Nevill would only have a problem if Sheila was holding a shot gun. Being hit from a shot gun shot would kill Nevill. This would leave the killer free to fire bullets into the other household members & commit suicide.

The sound of the shot gun may have woken June, Daniel & Nicholas and they may have got out of bed. Although it would be surprising if the raised voices downstairs had not already woken them.

There was no possibility Nevill would ever have rung Bamber. So whoever gained access to WHF in the morning would have discovered the bodies.

As everyone knows, the murder weapon was a rifle for shooting rabbits. Nevill would instantly take up the 100% certainly of taking the rifle back.   Despite the very slim chance of getting a torso shot in the process. 

Wonder if Bamber regrets the shooting rabbits story.

Wonder if Adam regrets becoming invested in the wrong side of the case. 

[Adam]

People get engaged in specific parts of the case.

The fact that Nevill as a father, grandfather & husband would act accordingly and instantly resolve the situation,  gets lost.

[Jane]

People get engaged in specific parts of the case.

The fact that Nevill as a father, grandfather & husband would act accordingly and instantly resolve the situation,  gets lost.

Chances are that he believed it was his job to protect his family and did exactly that, Adam.....................and ended up dead.

[David1819]

People get engaged in specific parts of the case.

The fact that Nevill as a father, grandfather & husband would act accordingly and instantly resolve the situation,  gets lost.

Its not a fact Adam. Its something you have made up to preclude the Sheila scenario in your own mind.

[Adam]

Its not a fact Adam. Its something you have made up to preclude the Sheila scenario in your own mind.

Nevill was -

6.4

15 stone

A farmer

A father

A husband

A grandfather

Had work the following day.

Was faced by a woman less half his size and strenght.

Was faced with a rifle for shooting rabbits.

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There was only one possible outcome. Nevill had no choice.  Probably within a few seconds of Nevill seeing Sheila holding the rifle.

Either taking the rifle when close enough to her, or using an object such as a chair to corner Sheila.

Ringing Jeremy, really.

[David1819]

Nevill was -

6.4

15 stone

A farmer

A father

A husband

A grandfather

Had work the following day.

Was faced by a woman less half his size and strenght.

Was faced with a rifle for shooting rabbits.

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There was only one possible outcome. Nevill had no choice.  Probably within a few seconds of Nevill seeing Sheila holding the rifle.

Either when close enough to her, or using an object such as a chair to corner Sheila.

Ringing Jeremy, really.

Does not matter how tall he was, nobody is bullet proof Adam.

[David1819]

Ringing Jeremy, really.

This is what Jeremy claims and always has. There are no serious discrepancies in his account of this. Nothing substantial to contradict it either. The fact Sheila was later found with the gun on her while in a house fully secured from the inside corroborates his account. The claim that Jeremy set it all up is not evidence its a narrative.

[Steve_uk]

This is what Jeremy claims and always has. There are no serious discrepancies in his account of this. Nothing substantial to contradict it either. The fact Sheila was later found with the gun on her while in a house fully secured from the inside corroborates his account. The claim that Jeremy set it all up is not evidence its a narrative.

How did she reload the gun in time to discharge further bullets whilst being noted to be unsteady on her feet those last few days?

[David1819]

How did she reload the gun in time to discharge further bullets whilst being noted to be unsteady on her feet those last few days?

After the first volley of 9 shots, both June and Nevill were in no state to challenge her. Time is not a problem once the two other adults are in a fatal condition.

[Steve_uk]

After the first volley of 9 shots, both June and Nevill were in no state to challenge her. Time is not a problem once the two other adults are in a fatal condition.

But apparently Nevill is in such a congenial state that he is able to telephone Jeremy. The blood groupings also suggest that he moved downstairs at some point.