Maurice Drake contradiction

[Caroline]

I wondered when we'd be the recipient of another of David's internet memes, this one being slightly more utilitarian than all others he has furnished us with heretofore. He builds premise upon premise (we have to ignore his misapprehension of the word "first" in post 1, we have to accept Sheila was on trial, we must trust June was screaming) and I now look forward to the latest contortion to help get child killer Jeremy Bamber off..

But Steve, didn't you know that there are 'many other members' who agree with David? 

[Harry]

The last two are not possible.

Had June been alive for a period of time after she fell on the floor. We would expect to see a lot more blood in that area. Once you are dead your blood pressure and circulation stops and it wont spurt out as much.

The bloodstains on Sheila show she was sitting up while both shots were fired. Hence it must have happened quickly. If she was shot once and then a killer reloads she would in the mean time have covered her neck with her hands and coughed up blood, creating a mess and smearing blood everywhere.

You are ignoring the opinion of Dr Peter Vanezis who said that there must have been a significant time interval between the two shots to Sheila. He based that  view on the large amount of haemorrhaging, which enabled him to infer that the lower wound must have been inflicted first, because the second, upper wound would have been instantly fatal, stopping the circulation of the blood.

[David1819]

I wondered when we'd be the recipient of another of David's internet memes, this one being slightly more utilitarian than all others he has furnished us with heretofore. He builds premise upon premise (we have to ignore his misapprehension of the word "first" in post 1, we have to accept Sheila was on trial, we must trust June was screaming) and I now look forward to the latest contortion to help get child killer Jeremy Bamber off..

How is a 3d graphic of the crime scene a "meme"?

How would you expect someone to react if they got shot five times in the middle of night and did not die instantly?

[David1819]

You are ignoring the opinion of Dr Peter Vanezis who said that there must have been a significant time interval between the two shots to Sheila. He based that  view on the large amount of haemorrhaging, which enabled him to infer that the lower wound must have been inflicted first, because the second, upper wound would have been instantly fatal, stopping the circulation of the blood.

This is what he said.

[Steve_uk]

You are ignoring the opinion of Dr Peter Vanezis who said that there must have been a significant time interval between the two shots to Sheila. He based that  view on the large amount of haemorrhaging, which enabled him to infer that the lower wound must have been inflicted first, because the second, upper wound would have been instantly fatal, stopping the circulation of the blood.

He said nothing of the kind. All he stated was there was enough time for there to have been a build up of blood in the neck area. He told author Carol Ann Lee in 2014 that she hadn't got up from her position at all.

[Steve_uk]

How is a 3d graphic of the crime scene a "meme"?

How would you expect someone to react if they got shot five times in the middle of night and did not die instantly?

You don't always emit a scream even under the most harrowing of circumstances. It's an educated guess at best.

[David1819]

You don't always emit a scream even under the most harrowing of circumstances. It's an educated guess at best.

Its common sense at best actually.

[Steve_uk]

Its common sense at best actually.

She'd been a member of the SOE during the war and had been trained to be calm under pressure.

[David1819]

She'd been a member of the SOE during the war and had been trained to be calm under pressure.

[Steve_uk]

She may have been stunned facing the hale of bullets and was trying to hold in the pain. You have no firm basis whatsoever for your train of thought that June was wailing loud enough to alert other members of the household.

[David1819]

She may have been stunned facing the hale of bullets and was trying to hold in the pain. You have no firm basis whatsoever for your train of thought that June was wailing loud enough to alert other members of the household.

No firm basis eh? Well lets see, Someone gets shot five times in the middle of the night they scream. Its a survival instinct to alert others for help.

[Adam]

She may have been stunned facing the hale of bullets and was trying to hold in the pain. You have no firm basis whatsoever for your train of thought that June was wailing loud enough to alert other members of the household.

Never seen anyone scream when shot in films. Man or woman. If still alive they are usually in shock, in terrible pain and thinking about what to do next.

June would not have screamed while being shot. She was asleep. While Bamber was downstairs June woke from the pain and crawled a few feet. In shock, extreme pain and with no strenght, not sure she would start screaming.

But appreciate Sheila waking from the downstairs fight is very unlikely, so it has to be scream from a woman in another room shot 5 times.

Some supporters believe Sheila waking & getting out of bed mid massacre would somehow be a problem for Bamber.

[David1819]

Some supporters believe Sheila getting out of bed mid massacre would somehow be a problem for Bamber.

Sheila waking up and escaping out the house (with or without the twins) is indeed a problem.

Its not just supporters that realise that is a problem. Where do you think the concept of Sheila being the accomplice came from?

[Adam]

Sheila waking up and escaping out the house (with or without the twins) is indeed a problem.

Its not just supporters that realise that is a problem. Where do you think the concept of Sheila being the accomplice came from?

Yes Sheila escaping out of the house would certainly be a problem for Bamber.

[Jane]

No firm basis eh? Well lets see, Someone gets shot five times in the middle of the night they scream. Its a survival instinct to alert others for help.

Whilst screams MAY have been the order of the day -as in calling for her husband or daughter?- prior to being shot if she'd seen it coming. I'd have thought guttural grunts/groans/whimpers of pain might have been more likely afterwards.