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Offline Caroline

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« Reply #285 on: September 18, 2019, 01:25:PM »
As theories go, it is at least no worse than your belief that Ann Eaton made the scratches on the the
aga and fooled both the police and the other relatives.

Incidentally I now have the proof that the relatives did not find the silencer on August 10th. It's basically simple and unassailable.

I would like to see if anybody can figure out what it is.

Won't even bother to try but if it's anything like your other attempts at logic ....

Take it to the police!
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« Reply #287 on: September 18, 2019, 02:42:PM »
Has a fresh application been submitted?




" Preparations are under way " as we speak, NGB.

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« Reply #288 on: September 18, 2019, 02:46:PM »
___________Looking forward to a successful outcome.

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« Reply #289 on: September 18, 2019, 02:52:PM »



" Preparations are under way " as we speak, NGB.

The CT have been saying that was quite some time Lookout - the point of their Twitter post was to ask for more donations.
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« Reply #290 on: September 18, 2019, 02:52:PM »



" Preparations are under way " as we speak, NGB.

How soon do you think it will be before the application is submitted?


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« Reply #291 on: September 18, 2019, 03:11:PM »
How soon do you think it will be before the application is submitted?

It doesn't indicate when but they are asking for more donations for forensic work. If the submissions were anywhere near ready, I can't see why they would be seeking more donations for further work?

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« Reply #292 on: September 18, 2019, 03:47:PM »
As theories go, it is at least no worse than your belief that Ann Eaton made the scratches on the the
aga and fooled both the police and the other relatives.

Incidentally I now have the proof that the relatives did not find the silencer on August 10th. It's basically simple and unassailable.

I would like to see if anybody can figure out what it is.

You have claimed such “proof” before, such as -

- An empty box that the silencer was once found in, handed to Oakley in September.

- An excel spread sheet made in 1999 were someone in Ewen Smiths office thought the silencer in the box was referred to in the present tense when it was actually reffered to in the past tense.

- A telephone call David Boutflour made in September talking about what he had found in August.

- A local newspaper article that reports something that ACC Simpson never actually said.

- An old man with Alzheimer's remembering the police fingerprinting the house a month prior to when it actually happened.

I won’t hold my breath for what else you now have. But I will be happy to consider it.
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« Reply #293 on: September 18, 2019, 07:29:PM »
As theories go, it is at least no worse than your belief that Ann Eaton made the scratches on the the
aga and fooled both the police and the other relatives.


Incidentally, I have never made such a claim that Ann Eaton fooled the police. To say that I claim that is a strawman argument.

It was not the polices job to scrutinise and pass judgement on forensic evidence. Its their Job to secure the scene, collect and pass on any forensic evidence to the forensic staff at the lab. 

We don't know what the police involved personally think of the silencer. With the exception of Stan Jones and Miller as they have made their views known to us on TV shows.

Stan Jones and Miller both express the view the silencer is genuine. Stan Jones comes across as a right cretin so that answers why he thinks its genuine. Miller on the other hand expresses the view that the silencer is genuine because the lab told him so.

As far as the lab is concerned, we know that they did not understand the dubious circumstances it was found in since DI Cook handed it to them under the pretence that Stan Jones had found it. We know from Mark Webster that Hayward had never seen backspatter in a silencer before. We know from Fletcher's testimony that he does not understand the subject of backspatter very well. And neither has he seen backspatter in a silencer before either. Thus the lab fooled themselves. Millers belief is based purely on circular reasoning.

There probably are members of EP that think what I think. But they wont dare express that in public would they? I wonder who Bill Robertson thinks planted the blood?
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« Reply #294 on: September 18, 2019, 10:54:PM »
What could Harry's "unassailable" proof be? I've given it some thoughts and I am now taking bets.

1/30 - A baseless assumption.

1/20 - Something taken out of context.

1/10 - Someone got a date wrong.

1/5 -  Someone's distorted recollection of something unrelated.

1/1 (evens)  Informant Z

10/1 - Questionable document with such allegations.

50/1 -  Authentic document with such allegations.

300/1 - Drunken admission from David Boutflour.

1000/1 - Sober and detailed admission from David Boutflour.

2000/1 - DCI Ainsley's top secret diary spilling the beans.


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« Reply #295 on: September 18, 2019, 11:47:PM »
What could Harry's "unassailable" proof be? I've given it some thoughts and I am now taking bets.

1/30 - A baseless assumption.

1/20 - Something taken out of context.

1/10 - Someone got a date wrong.

1/5 -  Someone's distorted recollection of something unrelated.

1/1 (evens)  Informant Z

10/1 - Questionable document with such allegations.

50/1 -  Authentic document with such allegations.

300/1 - Drunken admission from David Boutflour.

1000/1 - Sober and detailed admission from David Boutflour.

2000/1 - DCI Ainsley's top secret diary spilling the beans.

If it is indeed 'unassailable', why wouldn't he just post it? Sounds like carrot dangling!
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« Reply #296 on: September 19, 2019, 01:28:AM »
If it is indeed 'unassailable', why wouldn't he just post it? Sounds like carrot dangling!

Its not the first time he claimed to have conclusive proof of something -

You have made no attempt to explain how the fingerprint dust could have been all around the house on August 10th even though the house not not fingerprinted until later than September 6th 1985 when the case became a murder investigation.

The basic point is that an "anomaly" such as this provides conclusive proof that a whole bunch of witness statements are fraudulent, unless you have evidence that the house was fingerprinted before then.

An "anomaly" such as this is a case of erroneous recollection by an elderly witness, six years after the event. Because it contradicts everything and everyone else.

To make matters worse, this "anomaly" was from police documents that Harry insists are forgeries because they contradict his conspiracy theory. Yet in these very forgeries he finds "conclusive proof" of it.


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« Reply #297 on: September 19, 2019, 01:55:AM »
Caroline, if you don't mind me asking. Why didn't you tell the forum you challenged PH on the letter, since you expressed a view on here it was genuine? Were you worried he'd get more angry at you if you did?

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« Reply #298 on: September 19, 2019, 04:29:AM »
Caroline, if you don't mind me asking. Why didn't you tell the forum you challenged PH on the letter, since you expressed a view on here it was genuine? Were you worried he'd get more angry at you if you did?

Initially, I thought it might be genuine, but there were expressions in it that just didn't seem right - like someone referring to PH as 'Mr Super Cop'. No one here would have referred to him as that. But why would I tell the forum that I had challenged him? There is lots i don't tell the forum. I did think his reply was a complete over reaction but I had no proof that it wasn't genuine and me writing on here would have only inflamed the situation.

The man clearly has issues and demons and whatever trouble he caused, he caused the worst for himself. Lost of people were conned - even Jeremy who told me that 'he was one of the good guys'. 

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« Reply #299 on: September 19, 2019, 04:52:AM »
Initially, I thought it might be genuine, but there were expressions in it that just didn't seem right - like someone referring to PH as 'Mr Super Cop'. No one here would have referred to him as that. But why would I tell the forum that I had challenged him? There is lots i don't tell the forum. I did think his reply was a complete over reaction but I had no proof that it wasn't genuine and me writing on here would have only inflamed the situation.

Why wouldn't you tell the forum that you had challenged him? It was a hot topic (at one point). I can only assume his angry reply was to intimidate you into taking it no further? But I could be wrong.

Someone left a bad review for one of his talk events on Funzing. That person ended up being contacted by PH on facebook and got quiet abusive. It sounds like a similar experience you had.  :-\