JB petition now has almost ten thousand signatures.

[lookout]

Well done, Lookout

It is said that Satan always finds work for idle hands. I must have needed a rest after being busy that day--koff koff. That's my excuse anyway !

[Jane]

It is said that Satan always finds work for idle hands. I must have needed a rest after being busy that day--koff koff. That's my excuse anyway !

You aaaare naughty, but I like you!!!................well I did!!!

[lookout]

You aaaare naughty, but I like you!!!................well I did!!!

Tsk------did ??

[Jane]

Tsk------did ??

 

[Caroline]

What you are trying to do is to make an issue which is a legitimate subject for discussion off limits, because one member wants it that way.

If I were to write a piece about Paul Harrison and his influence on this forum, then people such as Mat and Caroline can't be left out of the discussion. Harrison tried to frame Jackie Preece and when he was criticised, Mat and Caroline came to his defence. Mat even openly accused Jackie of sending that letter from Essex.

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,6023.msg268237.html#msg268237

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,6023.msg268998.html#msg268998
 
Harrison would hardly have thought of trying to get Jackie into trouble without the influence of somebody at one of the forums who happens to have great antipathy towards Jackie.

The writing style of the letter is just like that of the letter Harrison said he got from a prison inmate to whom Bamber allegedly confessed. Same second rate melodrama!

Here is an excellent post from Patti

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,6023.msg269000.html#msg269000
If the letter is genuine, then it must have come from a forum who knows JP and NGB and is holding a grudge. I doubt the campaign team are even aware of it and I honestly do not think it is anyone from that there.

It appears to me very likely that Harrison himself wrote the letter and communicated it online to a supporter of his who would type it out and post it for him. But who could that be?

In a police investigation, the first people to interview would be members of the blue and the red forums. But unlike Mat, I am not accusing anybody.

This is an example of an idiot who wasn't here at the time who doesn't know the back story. This is also a prime example of a troll. I would be happy for any police office to interview me as I have saved an email actually asking PH if the letter was genuine and his angry response to me.

Not sure what your intention are but I think from your post you are clearly raking up the past in order to cause disruption and you are indeed accusing people. I would like NGB to comment on this as these are serous accusations and I have about had enough of this bullshit! He knows why PH involved Jackie - you don't because you weren't a member here. You with all your 'logic' training you need to go back to the drawing board and take the course again - your posts are 'bollox' (said in true working class style).

If the police did interview me, I might have to pass on that you have been doing quite a number on me for some time - behind the scenes!

[David1819]

This is an example of an idiot who wasn't here at the time who doesn't know the back story. This is also a prime example of a troll. I would be happy for any police office to interview me as I have saved an email actually asking PH if the letter was genuine and his angry response to me.

Why did he get angry? Did he think you suspected him of making it up?

[Caroline]

Why did he get angry? Did he think you suspected him of making it up?

I did suspect it wasn't genuine, so that is what I asked him. Just because I don't post things on here, people shouldn't assume. I am only having to say it now in order to defend myself from accusations made by Harry et al!

[ngb1066]

What you are trying to do is to make an issue which is a legitimate subject for discussion off limits, because one member wants it that way.

If I were to write a piece about Paul Harrison and his influence on this forum, then people such as Mat and Caroline can't be left out of the discussion. Harrison tried to frame Jackie Preece and when he was criticised, Mat and Caroline came to his defence. Mat even openly accused Jackie of sending that letter from Essex.

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,6023.msg268237.html#msg268237

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,6023.msg268998.html#msg268998
 
Harrison would hardly have thought of trying to get Jackie into trouble without the influence of somebody at one of the forums who happens to have great antipathy towards Jackie.

The writing style of the letter is just like that of the letter Harrison said he got from a prison inmate to whom Bamber allegedly confessed. Same second rate melodrama!

Here is an excellent post from Patti

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,6023.msg269000.html#msg269000
If the letter is genuine, then it must have come from a forum who knows JP and NGB and is holding a grudge. I doubt the campaign team are even aware of it and I honestly do not think it is anyone from that there.

It appears to me very likely that Harrison himself wrote the letter and communicated it online to a supporter of his who would type it out and post it for him. But who could that be?

In a police investigation, the first people to interview would be members of the blue and the red forums. But unlike Mat, I am not accusing anybody.

Although some of the points you make are valid, you are wide of the mark in the areas I have highlighted above in blue.

The reason Harrison had a strong motive to implicate Jackie had nothing to do with any influence brought to bear by a forum member.  You can be forgiven for not being aware of this because you were not a forum member at the time.  Jackie and Harrison had a very public falling out in a thread here which was subsequently removed.  I may restore the thread in order that members can see the context but I would prefer not to do that because it would probably result in further argument and accusations.  I will summarise what happened very briefly.  Jackie started a thread stating that she had been contacted by Harrison.  Harrison replied saying that he had been contacted by Jackie but had not wanted to engage with her.  Jackie insisted that she was correct and gave me her password in order that I could review the relevant PMs.  I did review them and I then posted a lengthy and completely factual account of the exchanges between Harrison and Jackie.  This showed that contact was in fact instigated by Jackie, some time before.  However Harrison had replied in a very friendly and encouraging way, inviting her to contact him again and exhorting her to "keep up the good work".  Thus although Jackie did not come out of this well Harrison also came out of it badly, which was commented on in the thread.  For what it is worth, and I may be wrong, I believe Jackie had genuinely forgotten that it was she who had initially instigated contact.  She expressed great surprise in messages to me and of course had given me full access to her PMs.  Harrison was outraged by what I had posted.  He threatened me and the forum in very strong terms.  As a result I banned him permanently.  Harrison then tried to cause me problems by making a professional complaint against me, citing my appalling behaviour on the forum.  He even got his wife involved and tried to broaden his complaint to include my wife!  Naturally his complaint went nowhere.  Thus by this time Harrison harboured strong resentment against Jackie, me and Jeremy Bamber (Harrison had fallen out with the CT).  Shortly after his complaint against me failed I was contacted by the editor of the Scottish Sunday Express and the "threatening letter" story was run.  The letter of course implicated the three people against whom he bore a grudge, namely Bamber, Jackie and me.  The full letter was read to me and it was worse than reported in the paper. 

I trust this makes clear that Harrison's animosity, leading to the alleged threatening letter, was not caused or influenced as you suggest by someone on one of the forums with strong animosity to Jackie.  In addition I disagree with the suggestion that Harrison was assisted by a member of one of the forums in sending the letter.  I hope you are not hinting that you think Caroline was involved, because that would be a very offensive and totally baseless suggestion.  Although in common with a number of forum members Caroline initially accepted the truth of what Harrison alleged (you have linked to a post), she very quickly began to have doubts.  I have known that for a long time from private exchanges with Caroline and today I have seen an email exchange between Caroline and Harrison shortly after the Express article in which she directly challenged him on it.  She received a very aggressive response.  A further minor point - the letter bore an Essex postmark and Caroline lives a long way from Essex.

I think we all now realise the truth about the "threatening letter" saga.  Harrison's reputation is now in tatters and it is clear he does not like being crossed and has quite a temper.  However it is important not to try to implicate others in Harrison's antics.

   

[Caroline]

Although some of the points you make are valid, you are wide of the mark in the areas I have highlighted above in blue.

The reason Harrison had a strong motive to implicate Jackie had nothing to do with any influence brought to bear by a forum member.  You can be forgiven for not being aware of this because you were not a forum member at the time.  Jackie and Harrison had a very public falling out in a thread here which was subsequently removed.  I may restore the thread in order that members can see the context but I would prefer not to do that because it would probably result in further argument and accusations.  I will summarise what happened very briefly.  Jackie started a thread stating that she had been contacted by Harrison.  Harrison replied saying that he had been contacted by Jackie but had not wanted to engage with her.  Jackie insisted that she was correct and gave me her password in order that I could review the relevant PMs.  I did review them and I then posted a lengthy and completely factual account of the exchanges between Harrison and Jackie.  This showed that contact was in fact instigated by Jackie, some time before.  However Harrison had replied in a very friendly and encouraging way, inviting her to contact him again and exhorting her to "keep up the good work".  Thus although Jackie did not come out of this well Harrison also came out of it badly, which was commented on in the thread.  For what it is worth, and I may be wrong, I believe Jackie had genuinely forgotten that it was she who had initially instigated contact.  She expressed great surprise in messages to me and of course had given me full access to her PMs.  Harrison was outraged by what I had posted.  He threatened me and the forum in very strong terms.  As a result I banned him permanently.  Harrison then tried to cause me problems by making a professional complaint against me, citing my appalling behaviour on the forum.  He even got his wife involved and tried to broaden his complaint to include my wife!  Naturally his complaint went nowhere.  Thus by this time Harrison harboured strong resentment against Jackie, me and Jeremy Bamber (Harrison had fallen out with the CT).  Shortly after his complaint against me failed I was contacted by the editor of the Scottish Sunday Express and the "threatening letter" story was run.  The letter of course implicated the three people against whom he bore a grudge, namely Bamber, Jackie and me.  The full letter was read to me and it was worse than reported in the paper. 

I trust this makes clear that Harrison's animosity, leading to the alleged threatening letter, was not caused or influenced as you suggest by someone on one of the forums with strong animosity to Jackie.  In addition I disagree with the suggestion that Harrison was assisted by a member of one of the forums in sending the letter.  I hope you are not hinting that you think Caroline was involved, because that would be a very offensive and totally baseless suggestion.  Although in common with a number of forum members Caroline initially accepted the truth of what Harrison alleged (you have linked to a post), she very quickly began to have doubts.  I have known that for a long time from private exchanges with Caroline and today I have seen an email exchange between Caroline and Harrison shortly after the Express article in which she directly challenged him on it.  She received a very aggressive response.  A further minor point - the letter bore an Essex postmark and Caroline lives a long way from Essex.

I think we all now realise the truth about the "threatening letter" saga.  Harrison's reputation is now in tatters and it is clear he does not like being crossed and has quite a temper.  However it is important not to try to implicate others in Harrison's antics.

   

Thanks NGB.

[David1819]

I did suspect it wasn't genuine, so that is what I asked him. Just because I don't post things on here, people shouldn't assume. I am only having to say it now in order to defend myself from accusations made by Harry et al!

Harry et al?

The idea of you being behind the letter is something only he could have thought up. 

[lookout]

Every success for the CT's application to the CCRC. Best wishes to the Team.

[Harry]

This is an example of an idiot who wasn't here at the time who doesn't know the back story. This is also a prime example of a troll. I would be happy for any police office to interview me as I have saved an email actually asking PH if the letter was genuine and his angry response to me.

Not sure what your intention are but I think from your post you are clearly raking up the past in order to cause disruption and you are indeed accusing people. I would like NGB to comment on this as these are serous accusations and I have about had enough of this bullshit! He knows why PH involved Jackie - you don't because you weren't a member here. You with all your 'logic' training you need to go back to the drawing board and take the course again - your posts are 'bollox' (said in true working class style).

If the police did interview me, I might have to pass on that you have been doing quite a number on me for some time - behind the scenes!

I don't need to know the full story to figure out that Harrison himself was behind the letter, just as he was behind the phoney letter from a prison inmate who alleged that Jeremy confessed to him, to come to the conclusion that there is someone else involved in his antics.

It's possible I suppose, that he made the journey to Essex to post the letter himself. Both of those letters were fake. By now, everyone should have figured that out.

If you read the last sentence of my post, you will see that it says I am not accusing anyone. Jackie has plenty of enemies. I don't know why you should think I believe that you personally sent the letter.

Maybe some of you people are so involved in suggestion and innuendo that you assume everyone else is the same. The idea of you driving your car from Geordieland all the way down to Essex to post a letter for Paul Harrison is to me just absurd.

I know you have played the harassment card with other members. You have accused Gringo of harassing you. To me, Gringo's posts have always seemed honest and fair.

The real trouble is that you tell blatant lies like saying that Nevill Bamber's skull was smashed in with blows from the rifle butt. If someone objects and accuses you of lying, that's harassment. The intended effect is that people stop confronting you and it works. 

[ngb1066]

Every success for the CT's application to the CCRC. Best wishes to the Team.

Has a fresh application been submitted?

[Harry]

Harry et al?

The idea of you being behind the letter is something only he could have thought up. 

As theories go, it is at least no worse than your belief that Ann Eaton made the scratches on the the
aga and fooled both the police and the other relatives.

Incidentally I now have the proof that the relatives did not find the silencer on August 10th. It's basically simple and unassailable.

I would like to see if anybody can figure out what it is.

[Caroline]

I don't need to know the full story to figure out that Harrison himself was behind the letter, just as he was behind the phoney letter from a prison inmate who alleged that Jeremy confessed to him, to come to the conclusion that there is someone else involved in his antics.

It's possible I suppose, that he made the journey to Essex to post the letter himself. Both of those letters were fake. By now, everyone should have figured that out.

If you read the last sentence of my post, you will see that it says I am not accusing anyone. Jackie has plenty of enemies. I don't know why you should think I believe that you personally sent the letter.

Maybe some of you people are so involved in suggestion and innuendo that you assume everyone else is the same. The idea of you driving your car from Geordieland all the way down to Essex to post a letter for Paul Harrison is to me just absurd.

I know you have played the harassment card with other members. You have accused Gringo of harassing you. To me, Gringo's posts have always seemed honest and fair.

The real trouble is that you tell blatant lies like saying that Nevill Bamber's skull was smashed in with blows from the rifle butt. If someone objects and accuses you of lying, that's harassment. The intended effect is that people stop confronting you and it works.

I really don't care what you think and I don't tell lies. I'll leave that for the lies of you who seem more interested in posters than the actual topic of the forum.

By the way, I don't live in 'Geordie Land' I live in Durham and I don't drive! You can have that info for free to add to your dossier. Prat!