JB petition now has almost ten thousand signatures.

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I'm delighted that two members of the CT team visited Jeremy yesterday, leaving him with much hope for the future.

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That's made my day. Many thanks to both Yvonne and Philip.

[David1819]

Up to now, none of the books that have been written are altogether credible. So much information has come to light since, for starters and what exists is only what others have written except worded differently. Whichever way you look at it none of them paint a true picture of what did happen, it's been mainly guesswork.

CALs book was OK.

She wasted the first third of the book on Jeremy's and Sheila's lives before the massacre. (I skipped this part). She left little room for the appeals or reviews.

She did not press Vanezis or Fletcher hard enough in her interviews either. She was too passive and didn't bring up the thorny issues. Which is probably a good thing anyway. Had I done the interviews I would probably be soon thrown out and have nothing to report back 

[lookout]

CALs book was OK.

She wasted the first third of the book on Jeremy's and Sheila's lives before the massacre. (I skipped this part). She left little room for the appeals or reviews.

She did not press Vanezis or Fletcher hard enough in her interviews either. She was too passive and didn't bring up the thorny issues. Which is probably a good thing anyway. Had I done the interviews I would probably be soon thrown out and have nothing to report back 

Yes, this is exactly what I mean about this book-writing lark. None of them get down to the nitty gritty of the crime in hand. Investigative areas are abysmal and as you say, too many " flowery " bits at the start just to fill a few pages.
I too would be the worlds worst at both interviews and also at believing some people's versions of events.

I wouldn't take anyone's word for anything, I'd have done things my way and not off the backs of others just because they thought they were right.

[Steve_uk]

CALs book was OK.

She wasted the first third of the book on Jeremy's and Sheila's lives before the massacre. (I skipped this part). She left little room for the appeals or reviews.

She did not press Vanezis or Fletcher hard enough in her interviews either. She was too passive and didn't bring up the thorny issues. Which is probably a good thing anyway. Had I done the interviews I would probably be soon thrown out and have nothing to report back 

I presume you won't be buying her new book then: Somebody's Mother, Somebody's Daughter..

[lookout]

It can take years to reach a conclusion for this type of murder ( when it's done properly )----and not just 19 days !!
Look how long it's taken just sifting through thousands of files/documents to get everything in sequence and in fitting with the crime. It has been a thorough and painstaking task but will be worth it in the end to clear JB's guilt once and for all. Freedom isn't too far away.

[lookout]

I presume you won't be buying her new book then: Somebody's Mother, Somebody's Daughter..

CAL had vowed she'd never see/speak to this monster, so did this ever happen when she wrote this book ?

[Caroline]

Up to now, none of the books that have been written are altogether credible. So much information has come to light since, for starters and what exists is only what others have written except worded differently. Whichever way you look at it none of them paint a true picture of what did happen, it's been mainly guesswork.

The books that simply relay the facts as know (Wilkes and Carol Ann Lee) and an excellent starting point. Even when I thought that Bamber was innocent, Wilkes was still a good reference and CAL had certainly built on that and exceeded it IMO.

[David1819]

I presume you won't be buying her new book then: Somebody's Mother, Somebody's Daughter..

No I wont. I remember somebody one here describing her work as "murder porn". I think that's an apt description.

[Caroline]

Yes, this is exactly what I mean about this book-writing lark. None of them get down to the nitty gritty of the crime in hand. Investigative areas are abysmal and as you say, too many " flowery " bits at the start just to fill a few pages.
I too would be the worlds worst at both interviews and also at believing some people's versions of events.

I wouldn't take anyone's word for anything, I'd have done things my way and not off the backs of others just because they thought they were right.

The victims have  aright to be remembered as people and I was certainly fascinated to learn of June's role during the war etc.

You have you taken the word of someone - Jeremy Bamber.

I heard on the grape vine that David is thinking of writing a book least Lomax and PH's won't be the worst version on the shelves should it ever reach publication 

[Adam]

IIRC You did believe Brett Collins had called PH. Then again you have pointed out long ago that the book lost any respect or credibility.

As for his senario. It was a fabricated cellmate confession letter that PH created to justify his version of events. I personally believe the reason he did this was to cover his arse in case of any future appeals or developments. By implicating both Sheila and Jeremy, nobody can say he was right or wrong and thus he can claim to have been correct all along regardless. It was all for nothing now thou since he has been exposed as a fraud.

Did I? It was years ago.

If PH said BC was a source for his book, then I assumed it could be true. Not really important, his book has been dismissed.

[David1819]

Yes, this is exactly what I mean about this book-writing lark. None of them get down to the nitty gritty of the crime in hand. Investigative areas are abysmal and as you say, too many " flowery " bits at the start just to fill a few pages.
I too would be the worlds worst at both interviews and also at believing some people's versions of events.

I wouldn't take anyone's word for anything, I'd have done things my way and not off the backs of others just because they thought they were right.

I did once consider writing a book on this case. But there is no way any reputable publisher would go ahead with what I would write in it. I also feel I would need help from a co-author that can write well. I don't have much confidence in my ability to write. I don't fancy myself as a writer either. 

[lookout]

The victims have  aright to be remembered as people and I was certainly fascinated to learn of June's role during the war etc.

You have you taken the word of someone - Jeremy Bamber.

I heard on the grape vine that David is thinking of writing a book least Lomax and PH's won't be the worst version on the shelves should it ever reach publication 

No Caroline, even JB didn't know everything to my mind.

[lookout]

I did once consider writing a book on this case. But there is no way any reputable publisher would go ahead with what I would write in it. I also feel I would need help from a co-author that can write well. I don't have much confidence in my ability to write. I don't fancy myself as a writer either. 

I could write one, though it wouldn't be to everyone's tastes in this world of PC, but nevertheless it would be truthful and I wouldn't skirt around anything.

[Steve_uk]

CAL had vowed she'd never see/speak to this monster, so did this ever happen when she wrote this book ?

No I don't think she did. She's answering this author's book to some extent. https://www.amazon.co.uk/Somebodys-Husband-Son-Yorkshire-Ripper/dp/0571222838