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[Caroline]

When will you produce the list of names of the people backsides I allegedly licked to "gain ascendancy"? If you are still writing all the names out and not yet finished, then I must have got a very sore tongue in doing all this. 

NGB
Mike
Scipio
Hartley
Andrew Hunter
to name but a few

I doubt you would have a sore tongue, you're well practiced.

Answer the question you were asked instead on trying to twist, by providing evidence of me both believing and endorsing PH's book?

[Jane]

When will you produce the list of names of the people backsides I allegedly licked to "gain ascendancy"? If you are still writing all the names out and not yet finished, then I must have got a very sore tongue in doing all this. 

I'm not playing your diversion games. You've done enough xxxx licking on this, and other forums to know exactly what I'm talking about. I appreciate you tongue must be sore. Go use some mouthwash.

[Caroline]

I'm not playing your diversion games. You've done enough xxxx licking on this, and other forums to know exactly what I'm talking about. I appreciate you tongue must be sore. Go use some mouthwash.

Still waiting to hear where I endorsed and believed PH's book?

[Jane]

Still waiting to hear where I endorsed and believed PH's book?

"Endorse"? Mmm? What do you imagine that twisted mind is suggesting? Is he simply saying you approved it, OR, going on the knowledge we have of how he works, is he slyly implying there's something more. It seems perfectly clear that his life mission is to throw shit at anyone he can stick it to and that he seems to get a perverse thrill out of doing it.

[David1819]

I'm not playing your diversion games. You've done enough xxxx licking on this, and other forums to know exactly what I'm talking about. I appreciate you tongue must be sore. Go use some mouthwash.

How is asking you to elaborate on your own claim a diversion game? You wont name anyone because it's not true. Its a jibe you just made up on the spot.

Just for the record I don't try to please anyone.  I discredit and reject claims from both sides of the fence regardless of who they come from as most here already know.  If anyone has the impression of me being in a position of "ascendancy" on this subject then its simply because iv done my homework.

[David1819]

"Endorse"? Mmm? What do you imagine that twisted mind is suggesting? Is he simply saying you approved it, OR, going on the knowledge we have of how he works, is he slyly implying there's something more. It seems perfectly clear that his life mission is to throw shit at anyone he can stick it to and that he seems to get a perverse thrill out of doing it.

She did not just endorse claims in the book. She went one step further by claiming to be vindicated by certain claims made inside it.

Well, I feel vindicated about the number of times I have said he avoided answering some of my questions. CAL said the same thing.

That was a reply to Mat quoting from PH's book whereby PH in his fictional interview with Taff Jone's  claimed Bamber "avoided answering questions". And PH used this to imply guilt. Exactly the same thing Caroline done with Walletgate a few month after PH changed his mind also. 

I remember this topic/thread that Mat created back in 2015 and anyone can read it for themselves. Most people (including myself) heavily criticised PHs claims yet Caroline was defending him (along with Mat and Adam). You don't do that unless you believe the claims being made.

PS: The only person that's got a "perverse thrill" out of this is PH. I don't find it amusing.

[Caroline]

She did not just endorse claims in the book. She went one step further by claiming to be vindicated by certain claims made inside it.

That was a reply to Mat quoting from PH's book whereby PH in his fictional interview with Taff Jone's  claimed Bamber "avoided answering questions". And PH used this to imply guilt. Exactly the same thing Caroline done with Walletgate a few month after PH changed his mind also. 

I remember this topic/thread that Mat created back in 2015 and anyone can read it for themselves. Most people (including myself) heavily criticised PHs claims yet Caroline was defending him (along with Mat and Adam). You don't do that unless you believe the claims being made.

PS: The only person that's got a "perverse thrill" out of this is PH. I don't find it amusing.

WOW! You are really scrapping the barrel here - where did I endorse claims made in the book? A comment made to Mat is NOT an endorsement of the book - it's agreeing with a point he made about Bamber avoiding questions and given that he DID correspond with Jeremy, it's a vaild point!

I have provided proof of why I changed my mind and when but this isn't about PH or me or the reasons why Jane and I changed out mind about Bamber. This is about YOU trying to wriggle out of the fact that you LIED to NGB. You keep trying to change the subject, but I am not going to let you. You lied in order to try and manipulate NGB into writing about PH and you also tried to insinuate that your report may be used in the next submissions. By the way, have you seen Alias's picture I posted in another thread? I'm sure you have 

You remember the thread that Mat started? That's a laugh, how log did it take you to find something where you could twist things to fit. Post a link to the thread - I'm sure if there was something to back up what you're saying, you'd have done that already. Crawl back under your stone - or are you under a bridge now?

[Caroline]

Mat's thread is very interesting but there is NO endorsement from me about the book because I make it clear that I hadn't even read the bloody thing at that point! Like the others in the thread we discussed the points that Mat posted. More deceit from the resident fool!

One thing that does become clear though, is that near the end of the thread there is a discussion between David and I were I explain why I changed my mind! So much for never answering that question - another lie David!

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,6891.msg321878.html#msg321878

[Caroline]

As David has brought this thread up - here is an interesting insight into the way he thinks and possibly explains why he makes such conflicting statements to people over time. Out of the horses mouth (no disrespect to horses!)

Talking about writing to Bamber - this is what he would need to do in order to determine guilt or innocence if he wrote to him.

Its not that simple. I would have to built allot of rapport with him over many letters and use many mind game tactics to get anything useful out of him without him working it out. Not easy

[David1819]

I am now going to put Jane on ignore. Since it’s rather apparent now that I can’t talk to her without Caroline coming into the subject. Not very fair or appropriate when the person of the subject is on ignore.

I doubt Jane would have any objections.   

[Caroline]

I am now going to put Jane on ignore. Since it’s rather apparent now that I can’t talk to her without Caroline coming into the subject. Not very fair or appropriate when the person of the subject is on ignore.

I doubt Jane would have any objections.   

No one cares David but I know you have read ALL of my posts!

[Jane]

As David has brought this thread up - here is an interesting insight into the way he thinks and possibly explains why he makes such conflicting statements to people over time. Out of the horses mouth (no disrespect to horses!)

Talking about writing to Bamber - this is what he would need to do in order to determine guilt or innocence if he wrote to him.

Interesting. I wonder what it says of a character who is prepared to "use many mindgame tactics to get anything useful out of him (her?) without him (her?) working it out"? Devious is what instantly comes to mind. Manipulative. Then there's a grandiose sense of self importance. Narcissistic. Not a character who'd do anything without first working out what the benefit for him would be. Always seeking to turn situations to his own advantage. Not to be trusted. To be avoided at all costs.

[Adam]

She did not just endorse claims in the book. She went one step further by claiming to be vindicated by certain claims made inside it.

That was a reply to Mat quoting from PH's book whereby PH in his fictional interview with Taff Jone's  claimed Bamber "avoided answering questions". And PH used this to imply guilt. Exactly the same thing Caroline done with Walletgate a few month after PH changed his mind also. 

I remember this topic/thread that Mat created back in 2015 and anyone can read it for themselves. Most people (including myself) heavily criticised PHs claims yet Caroline was defending him (along with Mat and Adam). You don't do that unless you believe the claims being made.

PS: The only person that's got a "perverse thrill" out of this is PH. I don't find it amusing.

All I know about PH is that he said Sheila committed the massacre with Bamber. Which I disagree with.

Have always said I believe Sheila slept through the shots of the other four. Although there was a slim chance she had got out of bed herself a few moments before her first shot if the kitchen fight woke her.

[David1819]

All I know about PH is that he said Sheila committed the massacre with Bamber. Which I disagree with.

Have always said I believe Sheila slept through the shots of the other four. Although there was a slim chance she had got out of bed herself a few moments before her first shot if the kitchen fight woke her.

IIRC You did believe Brett Collins had called PH. Then again you have pointed out long ago that the book lost any respect or credibility.

As for his senario. It was a fabricated cellmate confession letter that PH created to justify his version of events. I personally believe the reason he did this was to cover his arse in case of any future appeals or developments. By implicating both Sheila and Jeremy, nobody can say he was right or wrong and thus he can claim to have been correct all along regardless. It was all for nothing now thou since he has been exposed as a fraud.

 

[lookout]

Up to now, none of the books that have been written are altogether credible. So much information has come to light since, for starters and what exists is only what others have written except worded differently. Whichever way you look at it none of them paint a true picture of what did happen, it's been mainly guesswork.