JB petition now has almost ten thousand signatures.

[David1819]

I guess "used to work" is relevant? Your ability to "ascertain" THUS far, and most certainly so, in this case, has often been, shall we say, flawed. As it's you who are attempting to cast doubts on Caroline's competency -not the first time you've done this, if I recall?- and NGB has, and HAS had every reason to have complete faith in her abilities and competency, I can't imagine what it might be that you believe "he's welcome to ask".....................unless, of course, you're seeking -not for the first time-  to use underhand means to undermine her in the hope that NGB will ask you to replace her.  From your behaviours, past and current, towards her, you appear to have set yourself up as A) being in contest with her, and B) as being superior to her

Seriously? Use underhanded means to obtain an unpaid position nobody else will volunteer for? Makes perfect sense not!

I still do freelance IT consultancy on the odd occasion for friends if they ask me to but I don't do it for free.
 
Besides any technical assistance for this site is covered by our hosting provider contract they are obliged to ensure up-time and technical assistance. 99% of what Caroline does is call the hosting providers helpdesk and ask whats wrong once in a blue moon when something is wrong. Anyone can do that.  The whole Zoso thing seems to be a position that was invented for Caroline and reduntant from its inception. So if there is anything underhanded going on here its the whole Zoso business.

[David1819]

You know what I'm talking about. Tell us that the poor google results are down to the fact that the site has not been registered properly, or deny that that is case and give us another explanation.

David1819 says it would only cost a tenner to sort out the registration problem, so why is nothing being done?

It can actually be resolved for free. However the amount of time it would take to implement the free solution does not justify saving £10.

[Caroline]

Seriously? Use underhanded means to obtain an unpaid position nobody else will volunteer for? Makes perfect sense not!

I still do freelance IT consultancy on the odd occasion for friends if they ask me to but I don't do it for free.
 
Besides any technical assistance for this site is covered by our hosting provider contract they are obliged to ensure up-time and technical assistance. 99% of what Caroline does is call the hosting providers helpdesk and ask whats wrong once in a blue moon when something is wrong. Anyone can do that.  The whole Zoso thing seems to be a position that was invented for Caroline and reduntant from its inception. So if there is anything underhanded going on her its the whole Zoso business.

How do you know and what's more? Why do you know? Why have you looked into what goes on behind the scenes? There is more to it than you have stated but Yes, quite a lot of things are remedied by the help desk because we don't have the ability to correct server failures etc. Please point out where I have denied we have a help desk?

Perhaps while we're trying to play Mr True blue, you can address these conflicting posts? Given that you failed to answer last time it was posted!

That article was one of the first things I ever read about the case after I watched a documentary on JB in late 2014. Still ignorant on the subject I just took it all at face value. I still remember joining this forum a few month later naively thinking you were Jeremy’s "protector". Looking back I cant help but laugh.

The Series of issues you put forward are constructed with innumerable guesses and speculations on your part. Your portraying a prosecuting version of events rather than solid unbiased facts.

I appreciate the effort you make but at the end of the day not you or anyone else can solve the White House Farm murders I realised that myself a while ago having thoroughly read about the case being swayed one way or another by flimsy circumstantial evidence and opinion I soon realised you would have to have been there that night to be certain of what happened.

I once was fairly sure of Jeremy's guilt until two lawyers told me on separate occasions that if he was on trial today he would be found not guilty. That got me thinking and the more I looked into things the more cracks and holes I found in the prosecution. At the end of the day only Jeremy knows. So if he is innocent there will always be guesses rumors and doubt. If he is guilty he is only one that can effectively solve the case by providing a detailed confession.

[Caroline]

You know what I'm talking about. Tell us that the poor google results are down to the fact that the site has not been registered properly, or deny that that is case and give us another explanation.

David1819 says it would only cost a tenner to sort out the registration problem, so why is nothing being done?

Given that NGB wasn't the initial person to register the forum but pays for the bloody thing out of the goodness of his heart - you should be ashamed of your attitude! If you want to demand improvements then you  pay for it! Some people here make me SICK! David is a shit stirrer who can't answer his own discrepancies such as this one .........

That article was one of the first things I ever read about the case after I watched a documentary on JB in late 2014. Still ignorant on the subject I just took it all at face value. I still remember joining this forum a few month later naively thinking you were Jeremy’s "protector". Looking back I cant help but laugh.

That isn't true is it David? According to this post from Feb 2015, you were well informed on the case - even speaking to TWO lawyers about Jeremy's guilt. Hardly the green horn you're portraying above.

The Series of issues you put forward are constructed with innumerable guesses and speculations on your part. Your portraying a prosecuting version of events rather than solid unbiased facts.

I appreciate the effort you make but at the end of the day not you or anyone else can solve the White House Farm murders I realised that myself a while ago having thoroughly read about the case being swayed one way or another by flimsy circumstantial evidence and opinion I soon realised you would have to have been there that night to be certain of what happened.

I once was fairly sure of Jeremy's guilt until two lawyers told me on separate occasions that if he was on trial today he would be found not guilty. That got me thinking and the more I looked into things the more cracks and holes I found in the prosecution. At the end of the day only Jeremy knows. So if he is innocent there will always be guesses rumors and doubt. If he is guilty he is only one that can effectively solve the case by providing a detailed confession.

If you want to pin your colours to this idiot, then go ahead but make sure you can explain why he has given two different reasons for his initial interest in the case?

[David1819]

I guess "used to work" is relevant? Your ability to "ascertain" THUS far, and most certainly so, in this case, has often been, shall we say, flawed. As it's you who are attempting to cast doubts on Caroline's competency -not the first time you've done this, if I recall?- and NGB has, and HAS had every reason to have complete faith in her abilities and competency, I can't imagine what it might be that you believe "he's welcome to ask".....................unless, of course, you're seeking -not for the first time-  to use underhand means to undermine her in the hope that NGB will ask you to replace her.  From your behaviours, past and current, towards her, you appear to have set yourself up as A) being in contest with her, and B) as being superior to her

You really do reveal a lot about yourself with these assumptions you make about people Jane. Just because you are from an area famous for family members murdering and framing each other for money does not mean the rest of the country has the same Machiavellian mentality.

[Steve_uk]

You really do reveal a lot about yourself with these assumptions you make about people Jane. Just because you are from an area famous for family members murdering and framing each other for money does not mean the rest of the country has the same Machiavellian mentality.

Do you mean Cheetham Hill..

[Jane]

You really do reveal a lot about yourself with these assumptions you make about people Jane. Just because you are from an area famous for family members murdering and framing each other for money does not mean the rest of the country has the same Machiavellian mentality.

And you reveal so MUCH more about yourself. The recent posts have NOTHING to do with family -but I can see how you're attempting yet another segway to shift the focus away from your own devious machinations- in fact the thread itself does nothing to suggest otherwise. HOWEVER, as you insist on bringing 'family' into the equation, this 'family' is simply a microcosm of what goes on in families everywhere. There's always one who will sneak on the others and lie through their teeth to worm their way into favour with the family hierarchy in hopes of obtaining the lion's share.

[David1819]

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,8845.msg421597.html#msg421597
"Liar - that's the picture I saved and it was saved exactly the way you posted it. If anyone cropped it YOU DID!"

You are in a bad position to be making snarky comments concerning other people's mental health. When you denied cropping David's photograph of Sheila's foot and accused him of lying, I thought you must have flipped, since what he was saying was obviously true and it was equally obvious that you were lying.

What has this got to do with our search engine rankings? Bit unnecessary and random to bring up unless you fancied stirring the spoon a bit. 

[Caroline]

What has this got to do with our search engine rankings? Bit unnecessary and random to bring up unless you fancied stirring the spoon a bit. 

What has the search engine rankings got to do with this thread? A thread YOU initiated! You can't even keep on the topic of your own thread!

[Jane]

What has this got to do with our search engine rankings? Bit unnecessary and random to bring up unless you fancied stirring the spoon a bit. 

You're in a very bad place to be throwing around accusations like that at others, David. Perhaps they took permissions from your own behaviours?

[Caroline]

What has this got to do with our search engine rankings? Bit unnecessary and random to bring up unless you fancied stirring the spoon a bit. 

What's the point of asking the above when you had already answered it .....

When confronted with the EXIF data that proved beyond question that she did indeed edit the photo. She admitted to doing it but denied the reasons for why she did. Neither did she apologise for calling me a liar.

For someone that is apparently "tech savy" It was a very foolish thing of her to do. The fact she didn't know her actions would be logged in a files metadata only shows her aptitude in computers does not exceed that of a 1st line helpdesk.

Denied reasons why I did? That doesn't even make sense! What you mean is I didn't agree with YOUR reasons. Bit late to accuse someone else of stirring the pot - unless you think it's your role exclusively?

You may bot have seen this so I will ask again!

Why the discrepancy?

That article was one of the first things I ever read about the case after I watched a documentary on JB in late 2014. Still ignorant on the subject I just took it all at face value. I still remember joining this forum a few month later naively thinking you were Jeremy’s "protector". Looking back I cant help but laugh.

The Series of issues you put forward are constructed with innumerable guesses and speculations on your part. Your portraying a prosecuting version of events rather than solid unbiased facts.

I appreciate the effort you make but at the end of the day not you or anyone else can solve the White House Farm murders I realised that myself a while ago having thoroughly read about the case being swayed one way or another by flimsy circumstantial evidence and opinion I soon realised you would have to have been there that night to be certain of what happened.

I once was fairly sure of Jeremy's guilt until two lawyers told me on separate occasions that if he was on trial today he would be found not guilty. That got me thinking and the more I looked into things the more cracks and holes I found in the prosecution. At the end of the day only Jeremy knows. So if he is innocent there will always be guesses rumors and doubt. If he is guilty he is only one that can effectively solve the case by providing a detailed confession.

[David1819]

You're in a very bad place to be throwing around accusations like that at others, David. Perhaps they took permissions from your own behaviours?

Since its a subject that involves me, I am entitled to a say. And since I have now already exacerbated the issue by replying to his post without realising it had no relevance to anything I should redress the issue.

It was a brief squabble two years ago that was quickly resolved. That being Caroline was not going to apologise for calling me a liar over claims she cropped the photo. And I was not going to give her the benefit of the doubt over the explanation she then later gave for cropping the photo. 

I think we were both OK leaving it like that. Why someone other than myself or Caroline would bring it up out the blue two years later is any ones guess.

[Harry]

I have no idea why google search results are poor (if indeed they are).  I will ask Caroline as she is the tech admin for the site.  If there is a problem and an easy fix no doubt it can be dealt with.  I am not sure what you are suggesting might be the ulterior motive of the admin team here.

There is a huge difference in the results of a google search and it must be down to some significant change for which administrators at this site are responsible whether intentionally or through an oversight.

Before, if I typed in something like "Robert Boutflour Basil Cock fingerprint dust" I would get links to all of Mike Tesko's old threads on the subject. But now I get hardly anything from this site.

Generally speaking, the effect of an action is a good indication of the intention behind it, although sometimes people don't foresee the consequences of what they do.

[Caroline]

There is a huge difference in the results of a google search and it must be down to some significant change for which administrators at this site are responsible whether intentionally or through an oversight.

Before, if I typed in something like "Robert Boutflour Basil Cock fingerprint dust" I would get links to all of Mike Tesko's old threads on the subject. But now I get hardly anything from this site.

Generally speaking, the effect of an action is a good indication of the intention behind it, although sometimes people don't foresee the consequences of what they do.

Why must we be responsible? You don't know anything about what happens behind the scenes but I can assure you - no one has changed any of the search settings - we simply don't touch it. There may be an issue as a result of a server migration which occurred over a year ago. I will look into it for the sake of other members but I must say, you attitude from start to finish doesn't inspire anyone to want to help you specifically. I think you should apply your last sentence to yourself and stop being so paranoid!

[Caroline]

Your behaviour just keeps getting worse. You recently pretended to confuse DS Stan Jones with DCI Taff Jones for the purpose of smearing Taff. There is no way that that was an honest mistake
The reason you can get away with this stuff is that Nbg tolerates it and basically lets you do anything you like.

I have asked the opinion of an administrator of another site and she said that any moderator who removed quotes from other people's posts for personal reasons would be sacked immediately.

I've just read this bit, skimmed over your full rant because quite frankly, I couldn't be bothered to read it. However, why could I not have made an honest mistake about which Jones checked the windows? I did think it was Stan Jones - so shoot me - I got something WRONG! Not for the first time and certainly not for the last! I actually think it's more likely that Taff didn't check them properly because he wasn't there long enough - which is probably why I thought it was Stan Jones who checked!

For the record, I removed my OWN quotes, at the time it was probably in temper due to the constant reposting of things I said when I believed Bamber innocent. I wounder if your Administrator mate has had to put up with some of the BS that we have had to put up with over the years - from people like you who think it's OK to hurl accusations around, make assumptions about things they aren't involved in - rather than to simply ASK! You seem to be implying that we have altered the search facility in order to stop you from reading certain material - that is completely absurd and frankly laughable. Like I said, I will make some inquiries IN MY SPARE TIME (WE DON'T GET PAID FOR THIS!) and will let you know. Have a nice bank holiday won't you!