JAMES BELL - there are some who believe that he was responsible for whf tragedy

[Caroline]

Mike Tesko writes
http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,9524.msg441824.html#msg441824

"I personally asked Jeremy if he was there when the police told Ann Eaton that he had seen Sheila and June Bambers bodies laid side by side on top of the bed in his parents bedroom? He said, 'no'. When I put it to Jeremy that he must have been there, Jeremy told me that he was with DC Mick Clark at the time it was said by Stan Jones, giving him his first witness statement...

The rather worrying thing about all of this, from what Jeremy has told me, was that Ann Eaton and the relatives never mentioned any of these details to him at all..."

Ann Eaton has never tried to claim that Jeremy was present when the "police" gave her that information, so it would seem unreasonable to try to make out that Jeremy was lying when he told Mike he was with DC Mick Clark at the time

DS Jones and DC Mick Clark were the only policeman at Jeremy's cottage at that time. If Jeremy was with Mick Clark, it must have been Jones who told Ann Eaton where the bodies were found and from Jones or from Ann Eaton that Julie Mugford, who was also there, got the description of Sheila on the bed with a bible on her chest.

It is notable that when Ann Eaton answers a question untruthfully she sometimes says "I think" when she knows the truth.

For example, when asked in court by Rivlin, defending, who it was who told her about Sheila having a bible on her chest she answered "I think it was Julie Mugford". She knew it was the police and when Rivlin presented her with her own statement, she was forced to admit it.

In her statements, when relating what the "police" told her concerning the location of the bodies, she made it seem like she was unsure who the officer was who told her about the bible on Sheila's chest. She said "I think it was Mick Clark". She knew it was Stan Jones.

Putting two and two together DS Jones did not want her to tell anybody that he had told her about Sheila being on the bed with a bible on her chest and for a reason which should seem obvious. He wanted to avoid being questioned as to why he gave that information, if Sheila had really been found on the bedroom floor.

I'm sorry, how does the above answer my question?

[Caroline]

Ann Eaton made a witness statement to the COLP investigators, saying that she was told by a police officer that June and Sheila's bodies were laid on top of the bed, that Sheila had a Bible resting on her chest, and the silencerless anshuzt rifle resting on the bed in between the two bodies - take your pick, since only Clarke and Jones visited Jeremy's cottage on the first morning of Essex police's investigation. Ann Eaton told COLP she couldn't remember who that officer was, does anybody believe her?

How do you know they were told this (if they were) on the morning of the murders? Ann didn't know the anshuzt had been the murder weapon until after the meeting with Jones on 9th.

[mike tesko]

Where is the evidence that Stan Jones told Ann Eaton  the above?

Jeremy was told by Ann Eaton, and the others, after he made his first witness statement to DC Clark at his cottage. He was told by Julie Mugford' that Jones had told Ann and the others gathered there that morning that Sheila was found with a Bible on her chest, laid on top of the parents bed along with the body of her mother, with the gun resting between their bodies! Jeremy told me this after the time we had a fall out over the rule 37a letter with the photograph which I posted into him which shows Sheila's body on the bed, on her own, shot once, no Bible on her chest, no sign of June being on bed alongside her, and no sight of any gun - this is when I first became aware that the bodies of Sheila and June had been laid on top of the bed, and not on the bedroom floor, one body either side of that bed!

Look, rather than suggest that what I am telling everyone that Sheila's body was on the bed, alone, no Bible on chest, no-one else present on bed, and no weapon on show, Jeremy's legal team, should concentrate upon trying to gain access to the actual letter and it's attachment that I sent to Jeremy on the very day I seized the crucial photograph which prison security seized when my letter and it's attachment arrived at HMP Full Sutton..

There exists an Essex police action report asking how Jeremy knew Sheila had a Bible on her chest?

[Caroline]

Jeremy was told by Ann Eaton, and the others, after he made his first witness statement to DC Clark at his cottage. He was told by Julie Mugford' that Jones had told Ann and the others gathered there that morning that Sheila was found with a Bible on her chest, laid on top of the parents bed along with the body of her mother, with the gun resting between their bodies! Jeremy told me this after the time we had a fall out over the rule 37a letter with the photograph which I posted into him which shows Sheila's body on the bed, on her own, shot once, no Bible on her chest, no sign of June being on bed alongside her, and no sight of any gun - this is when I first became aware that the bodies of Sheila and June had been laid on top of the bed, and not on the bedroom floor, one body either side of that bed!

Look, rather than suggest that what I am telling everyone that Sheila's body was on the bed, alone, no Bible on chest, no-one else present on bed, and no weapon on show, Jeremy's legal team, should concentrate upon trying to gain access to the actual letter and it's attachment that I sent to Jeremy on the very day I seized the crucial photograph which prison security seized when my letter and it's attachment arrived at HMP Full Sutton..

There exists an Essex police action report asking how Jeremy knew Sheila had a Bible on her chest?

I have asked him bout it, he said he knew nothing about it.

[mike tesko]

I have asked him bout it, he said he knew nothing about it.

Of course he knew about Sheila's body being laid on top of the bed - he read the newspaper article stating this to be true!

He obviously didn't trust you, or the questions you were asking, either that or he was trying to suppress me from pursuing the factual events?

I don't have to please Jeremy Bamber with my thoughts, or beliefs - he can say and think whatever he wants to try and make out a disassociation between himself and me, but I am factual, where he is hopeful...

[mike tesko]

Of course he knew about Sheila's body being laid on top of the bed - he read the newspaper article stating this to be true!

He obviously didn't trust you, or the questions you were asking, either that or he was trying to suppress me from pursuing the factual events?

I don't have to please Jeremy Bamber with my thoughts, or beliefs - he can say and think whatever he wants to try and make out a disassociation between himself and me, but I am factual, where he is hopeful...

He didn't shoot his sister dead on the main bedroom floor..

His attempt to try and suggest that his sister shot the others, and then she shot herself twice, quite simple doesn't add up, or equate with the now known facts..

[mike tesko]

He didn't shoot his sister dead on the main bedroom floor..

His attempt to try and suggest that his sister shot the others, and then she shot herself twice, quite simple doesn't add up, or equate with the now known facts..

Sheila was seen on the Laundry room floor behind the door (7.30 am) through the laundry room window, then she was reported as 'dead' in the kitchen upon entry to the premises, after the body of one dead male was already reported as being dead also in the kitchen! Then Sheila's body was reportedly 'laying on the far side of the bed', so she couldn't have been laid on the main bedroom floor, where police decided to say that her body had been originally found..

'it wasn't..

[mike tesko]

Sheila was definitely laid on top of the bed, shot once prior to her body being photographed on the bedroom floor, sporting two neck wounds

[mike tesko]

Sheila was definitely laid on top of the bed, shot once prior to her body being photographed on the bedroom floor, sporting two neck wounds

The impression on the left hand view of the pillow confirms that Sheila's body had been resting there, before PC Bird started to take his photographs of Sheila's body on the main bedroom floor..

[mike tesko]

The impression on the left hand view of the pillow confirms that Sheila's body had been resting there, before PC Bird started to take his photographs of Sheila's body on the main bedroom floor..

Let's start at the beginning of a remarkable set of circumstances...

[mike tesko]

Let's start at the beginning of a remarkable set of circumstances...

I didn't know that Ewen Smith had applied to become a CCRC Commissionaire..

[mike tesko]

I didn't know that Ewen Smith had applied to become a CCRC Commissionaire..

I wasn't aware, neither did I know that Jeremy had sacked Ewen Smith, and employed the service of Giovanni De Stefano as his legal representative!

[mike tesko]

I didn't know that the CCRC had obtained all 581 crime scene photographs and the crime video from Essex police and that they had disclosed all the 581 photographs to Ewen Smith (in confidence) after he had applied to be a CCRC Commissioner - but I saw many of these images...

[mike tesko]

I didn't know that the CCRC had obtained all 581 crime scene photographs and the crime video from Essex police and that they had disclosed all the 581 photographs to Ewen Smith (in confidence) after he had applied to be a CCRC Commissioner - but I saw many of these images...

Why would I say that Sheila's body had been photographed laid on top of the bed, sporting the first wound which had been inflicted if this was not true? No rifle on her body, or next to it, and no Bible resting on top of her chest, if what I have seen is untrue?

What good can come from me making something like this up?

[Caroline]

Of course he knew about Sheila's body being laid on top of the bed - he read the newspaper article stating this to be true!

He obviously didn't trust you, or the questions you were asking, either that or he was trying to suppress me from pursuing the factual events?

I don't have to please Jeremy Bamber with my thoughts, or beliefs - he can say and think whatever he wants to try and make out a disassociation between himself and me, but I am factual, where he is hopeful...

Ah, he didn't trust me - that must be it  . However, whats written in a paper in 1985 isn't proof that the event took place. Papers get things wrong. You once stated that you still had a copy of the photograph to prove your claim - that was some years ago now.