Ralph Bambers firearms and Shotgun Certificates (Essex Police)...

[mike tesko]

Ralph Bambers firearms and Shotgun Certificates (Essex Police)

Details of Ralph Bambers firearms and shotgun certificates:-

[grahameb]

So according to this statement Jeremy didn't possess a firearms certificate? He obviously used the farm guns? So does it mean that he was covered under Ralphs certificate?

[ngb1066]

So according to this statement Jeremy didn't possess a firearms certificate? He obviously used the farm guns? So does it mean that he was covered under Ralphs certificate?

Jeremy could use the rifle legally as long as he was using the it at WHF with Nevill's permission.  There is an "estate rifle" provision in the firearms legislation which covers this.

   

[mike tesko]

So according to this statement Jeremy didn't possess a firearms certificate? He obviously used the farm guns? So does it mean that he was covered under Ralphs certificate?

Jeremy could use the rifle legally as long as he was using the it at WHF with Nevill's permission.  There is an "estate rifle" provision in the firearms legislation which covers this.

 

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would same rule apply to Sheila, in view of her medical condition?

[Alias]

So according to this statement Jeremy didn't possess a firearms certificate? He obviously used the farm guns? So does it mean that he was covered under Ralphs certificate?

Jeremy could use the rifle legally as long as he was using the it at WHF with Nevill's permission.  There is an "estate rifle" provision in the firearms legislation which covers this.

 

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would same rule apply to Sheila, in view of her medical condition?

Or June?

[ngb1066]

So according to this statement Jeremy didn't possess a firearms certificate? He obviously used the farm guns? So does it mean that he was covered under Ralphs certificate?

Jeremy could use the rifle legally as long as he was using the it at WHF with Nevill's permission.  There is an "estate rifle" provision in the firearms legislation which covers this.

 

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would same rule apply to Sheila, in view of her medical condition?

Mike - Sheila's medical condition would have precluded her from obtaining either a firearms certificate or a shotgun certificate.  She did not work on the farm so the "estate rifle" provision would not have applied to her.  She therefore could not legally have gone out shooting on her own but she could have used the rifle under the supervision of Nevill as the certificate holder. 

[mike tesko]

So according to this statement Jeremy didn't possess a firearms certificate? He obviously used the farm guns? So does it mean that he was covered under Ralphs certificate?

Jeremy could use the rifle legally as long as he was using the it at WHF with Nevill's permission.  There is an "estate rifle" provision in the firearms legislation which covers this.

 

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would same rule apply to Sheila, in view of her medical condition?

Mike - Sheila's medical condition would have precluded her from obtaining either a firearms certificate or a shotgun certificate.  She did not work on the farm so the "estate rifle" provision would not have applied to her.  She therefore could not legally have gone out shooting on her own but she could have used the rifle under the supervision of Nevill as the certificate holder.

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Just for the purpose of being absolutely specific, would that rule also extend to relatives and family friends, children, or as the case may be any visitors to the farm, including complete strangers?

[Alias]

I have heard people claim that Nevill Bamber was very meticulous with the handling and storage of his weapons.
I can´t see that - as you say, Mike, there wasn´t even a lock on the gun cupboard.

[tyler]

Thats odd.Vidvic claimed he thought that Jeremy had purchased the anshutz rifle,but on the cerificate it states that Nevill, in fact did.

I agree Abs.Not only was there no locked gun cupboard,but Anthony Pargeter in his statement,reveals that his gun was usually kept in the downstairs toilet/shower room.

[chochokeira]

Thats odd.Vidvic claimed he thought that Jeremy had purchased the anshutz rifle,but on the cerificate it states that Nevill, in fact did.

I agree Abs.Not only was there no locked gun cupboard,but Anthony Pargeter in his statement,reveals that his gun was usually kept in the downstairs toilet/shower room.

And there were two guns under a pile of clothing on the stairs.

[chochokeira]

I have heard people claim that Nevill Bamber was very meticulous with the handling and storage of his weapons.
I can´t see that - as you say, Mike, there wasn´t even a lock on the gun cupboard.

And there was at one time a gun under Nevill's bed. Perhaps he put that one away as the boys were using the bedroom nearby?

[tyler]

Thats odd.Vidvic claimed he thought that Jeremy had purchased the anshutz rifle,but on the cerificate it states that Nevill, in fact did.

I agree Abs.Not only was there no locked gun cupboard,but Anthony Pargeter in his statement,reveals that his gun was usually kept in the downstairs toilet/shower room.

And there were two guns under a pile of clothing on the stairs.

Not forgetting the one normally kept under Nevills bed.

[mike tesko]

Guns belonging to different persons were apparently stored all over the place at whf, and readily found there by the police and the relatives once they entered the building at various times after the shootings...

[ngb1066]

So according to this statement Jeremy didn't possess a firearms certificate? He obviously used the farm guns? So does it mean that he was covered under Ralphs certificate?

Jeremy could use the rifle legally as long as he was using the it at WHF with Nevill's permission.  There is an "estate rifle" provision in the firearms legislation which covers this.

 

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would same rule apply to Sheila, in view of her medical condition?

Mike - Sheila's medical condition would have precluded her from obtaining either a firearms certificate or a shotgun certificate.  She did not work on the farm so the "estate rifle" provision would not have applied to her.  She therefore could not legally have gone out shooting on her own but she could have used the rifle under the supervision of Nevill as the certificate holder.

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Just for the purpose of being absolutely specific, would that rule also extend to relatives and family friends, children, or as the case may be any visitors to the farm, including complete strangers?

Anyone could use the rifle at WHF under the direct supervision of Nevill as holder of the firearm certificate.  Only an estate employee or contractor could use the rifle without direct supervision from Nevill under the "estate rifle" provision.  Those were and still are the rules, but I suspect that they were not rigidly enforced and there may well have been others permitted by Nevill to use the rifle unsupervised at WHF even though it was strictly illegal for that to happen.



 

[mike tesko]

So according to this statement Jeremy didn't possess a firearms certificate? He obviously used the farm guns? So does it mean that he was covered under Ralphs certificate?

Jeremy could use the rifle legally as long as he was using the it at WHF with Nevill's permission.  There is an "estate rifle" provision in the firearms legislation which covers this.

 

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would same rule apply to Sheila, in view of her medical condition?

Mike - Sheila's medical condition would have precluded her from obtaining either a firearms certificate or a shotgun certificate.  She did not work on the farm so the "estate rifle" provision would not have applied to her.  She therefore could not legally have gone out shooting on her own but she could have used the rifle under the supervision of Nevill as the certificate holder.

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Just for the purpose of being absolutely specific, would that rule also extend to relatives and family friends, children, or as the case may be any visitors to the farm, including complete strangers?

Anyone could use the rifle at WHF under the direct supervision of Nevill as holder of the firearm certificate.  Only an estate employee or contractor could use the rifle without direct supervision from Nevill under the "estate rifle" provision.  Those were and still are the rules, but I suspect that they were not rigidly enforced and there may well have been others permitted by Nevill to use the rifle unsupervised at WHF even though it was strictly illegal for that to happen.



 

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What about use of the weapon by relatives who visited the farm from time to time?