JBs visit to Colin

[bob]

Rochy said it was all getting a bit pro-Bamber round this parish, and appealed for one of us sceptics to step in, so here's a bit if JB shiftiness to discuss...

Colin says that Jeremy visited him a few days before the murder to ask when the twins would be at the farm (http://blogs.independent.co.uk/2011/01/30/the-strange-case-of-jeremy-bamber/)

I recall reading somewhere else that Colin said this was out of character, but I can't find a reference for that - maybe someone with a copy of Colin's book could check if this is in there?

If so, this is quite suspiscious behaviour, is it not?

[Sarann]

I believe Colin said in his book that he invited Sheila, Jeremy and Julie to a party at his on the Saturday before the murders.

[andrea]

I believe Colin said in his book that he invited Sheila, Jeremy and Julie to a party at his on the Saturday before the murders.

im just looking at the book now, will post if i find mention of it 

[bob]

I believe Colin said in his book that he invited Sheila, Jeremy and Julie to a party at his on the Saturday before the murders.

im just looking at the book now, will post if i find mention of it 

Excellent work A 

Clearly there are two completely different slants on this. If, as sarann says, JB was there because Colin invited him then that is not at all suspiscious, whereas the way it is phrased in the Independent article is completely different!

[andrea]

colinn had indeed invited both julie and jeremy to the party, with no mention of jeremy asking where the twins were.

however he does mention the photos selling thing later on in the book.

[bob]

colinn had indeed invited both julie and jeremy to the party, with no mention of jeremy asking where the twins were.

however he does mention the photos selling thing later on in the book.

Looks like this report could be bogus then. +1 for the prompt looking up Andrea.

Makes my shiny new anti-JB thread a bit redundant though. I'll have to try harder next time...

[andrea]

plug away bob, im trying to keep my opinions to myself now regarding the case, its only fair if im a mod 

[andrea]

Did u know bob that sheilas mental health problems started before she had even became pregnant with the twins? i was always under the impression that they started when she split up with colin. It was only when i read colin book that i learned she had been having problems for years.

[Roch]

Rochy said it was all getting a bit pro-Bamber round this parish, and appealed for one of us sceptics to step in, so here's a bit if JB shiftiness to discuss...

Colin says that Jeremy visited him a few days before the murder to ask when the twins would be at the farm (http://blogs.independent.co.uk/2011/01/30/the-strange-case-of-jeremy-bamber/)

I recall reading somewhere else that Colin said this was out of character, but I can't find a reference for that - maybe someone with a copy of Colin's book could check if this is in there?

If so, this is quite suspiscious behaviour, is it not?

Nice try bob.  i read this a few weeks back.  Cant see there being a link for this article on Jeremy's official site     Some pretty strong comments underneath article also....

[Jerry]

A detail often overlooked was that the twin boys who were murdered did not live at the farm. Because of their mother’s illness, they were being brought up by their father, who allowed them to visit their grandparents. A few days before the killings, Bamber visited Colin Caffell with the apparent aim of checking when the boys would be there. If they had not been killed, Jeremy Bamber would not have been the sole heir to the family fortune.

There is another rather creepy detail in Caffell’s book, that he later came to believe that Jeremy Bamber was studying him in the immediate aftermath of the murders to see how someone genuinely grief stricken behaved, in order to mimic him.

http://blogs.independent.co.uk/2011/01/30/the-strange-case-of-jeremy-bamber/

[andrea]

thats true jerry, colin also told the police that he thought the family were bullying jb for itrems from the house and colin got the impression that theye were ganging up on him.

[chochokeira]

A detail often overlooked was that the twin boys who were murdered did not live at the farm. Because of their mother’s illness, they were being brought up by their father, who allowed them to visit their grandparents. A few days before the killings, Bamber visited Colin Caffell with the apparent aim of checking when the boys would be there. If they had not been killed, Jeremy Bamber would not have been the sole heir to the family fortune.

There is another rather creepy detail in Caffell’s book, that he later came to believe that Jeremy Bamber was studying him in the immediate aftermath of the murders to see how someone genuinely grief stricken behaved, in order to mimic him.

http://blogs.independent.co.uk/2011/01/30/the-strange-case-of-jeremy-bamber/

I feel deep sympathy for Colin Caffell, his feelings are so often neglected in all of the dissussions of the murders.

However, this one dimensional view and biased view of what happened does no one any service, Jerry.

Colin had separated from Sheila at the time of the murders. I've read that, during the journey to WHF just days before the murders, Sheila pleaded with Colin to take her back, but he refused because he had a lover and no longer wanted Sheila as his wife.

So, Sheila lost her husband and her children. This must have been a factor making Sheila's depression worse. Any woman in her situation would have been depressed by losing her husband and children and Sheila had already been depressed and mentally ill prior to this happening.

It would therefore be natural if Colin's account of what happened is somewhat coloured by guilt and denial.

[mike tesko]

A detail often overlooked was that the twin boys who were murdered did not live at the farm. Because of their mother’s illness, they were being brought up by their father, who allowed them to visit their grandparents. A few days before the killings, Bamber visited Colin Caffell with the apparent aim of checking when the boys would be there. If they had not been killed, Jeremy Bamber would not have been the sole heir to the family fortune.

There is another rather creepy detail in Caffell’s book, that he later came to believe that Jeremy Bamber was studying him in the immediate aftermath of the murders to see how someone genuinely grief stricken behaved, in order to mimic him.

http://blogs.independent.co.uk/2011/01/30/the-strange-case-of-jeremy-bamber/

I feel deep sympathy for Colin Caffell, his feelings are so often neglected in all of the dissussions of the murders.

However, this one dimensional view and biased view of what happened does no one any service, Jerry.

Colin had separated from Sheila at the time of the murders. I've read that, during the journey to WHF just days before the murders, Sheila pleaded with Colin to take her back, but he refused because he had a lover and no longer wanted Sheila as his wife.

So, Sheila lost her husband and her children. This must have been a factor making Sheila's depression worse. Any woman in her situation would have been depressed by losing her husband and children and Sheila had already been depressed and mentally ill prior to this happening.

It would therefore be natural if Colin's account of what happened is somewhat coloured by guilt and denial.

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I agree, entirely...

[Jerry]

A detail often overlooked was that the twin boys who were murdered did not live at the farm. Because of their mother’s illness, they were being brought up by their father, who allowed them to visit their grandparents. A few days before the killings, Bamber visited Colin Caffell with the apparent aim of checking when the boys would be there. If they had not been killed, Jeremy Bamber would not have been the sole heir to the family fortune.

There is another rather creepy detail in Caffell’s book, that he later came to believe that Jeremy Bamber was studying him in the immediate aftermath of the murders to see how someone genuinely grief stricken behaved, in order to mimic him.

http://blogs.independent.co.uk/2011/01/30/the-strange-case-of-jeremy-bamber/

I feel deep sympathy for Colin Caffell, his feelings are so often neglected in all of the dissussions of the murders.

However, this one dimensional view and biased view of what happened does no one any service, Jerry.

Colin had separated from Sheila at the time of the murders. I've read that, during the journey to WHF just days before the murders, Sheila pleaded with Colin to take her back, but he refused because he had a lover and no longer wanted Sheila as his wife.

So, Sheila lost her husband and her children. This must have been a factor making Sheila's depression worse. Any woman in her situation would have been depressed by losing her husband and children and Sheila had already been depressed and mentally ill prior to this happening.

It would therefore be natural if Colin's account of what happened is somewhat coloured by guilt and denial.

I fear you are being unfair to Colin Caffell, it was not his fault that the Bamber family were murdered and there is no reason for him to feel any guilt or denial.  Sheila may have wished for a reunion but she knew that such a reunion was unlikely.  I wonder who revealed the story that Sheila had pleaded with Colin to take her back, could it have been Colin?

[mike tesko]

A detail often overlooked was that the twin boys who were murdered did not live at the farm. Because of their mother’s illness, they were being brought up by their father, who allowed them to visit their grandparents. A few days before the killings, Bamber visited Colin Caffell with the apparent aim of checking when the boys would be there. If they had not been killed, Jeremy Bamber would not have been the sole heir to the family fortune.

There is another rather creepy detail in Caffell’s book, that he later came to believe that Jeremy Bamber was studying him in the immediate aftermath of the murders to see how someone genuinely grief stricken behaved, in order to mimic him.

http://blogs.independent.co.uk/2011/01/30/the-strange-case-of-jeremy-bamber/

I feel deep sympathy for Colin Caffell, his feelings are so often neglected in all of the dissussions of the murders.

However, this one dimensional view and biased view of what happened does no one any service, Jerry.

Colin had separated from Sheila at the time of the murders. I've read that, during the journey to WHF just days before the murders, Sheila pleaded with Colin to take her back, but he refused because he had a lover and no longer wanted Sheila as his wife.

So, Sheila lost her husband and her children. This must have been a factor making Sheila's depression worse. Any woman in her situation would have been depressed by losing her husband and children and Sheila had already been depressed and mentally ill prior to this happening.

It would therefore be natural if Colin's account of what happened is somewhat coloured by guilt and denial.

I fear you are being unfair to Colin Caffell, it was not his fault that the Bamber family were murdered and there is no reason for him to feel any guilt or denial.  Sheila may have wished for a reunion but she knew that such a reunion was unlikely.  I wonder who revealed the story that Sheila had pleaded with Colin to take her back, could it have been Colin?

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Yes, Colin revealed those details in one of his witness statements, Sheila askled Colin to take her back, she wanted them to live together as man and wife, with their children and to be a proper family - but Colin rejected her advances and the remainder of the journey to WHf was continued in complete silence (according to Colin)...

Hope this clears up your query?