Luke 12?

[Jane]

It can't be ignored, read it..

I have. I'm more interested in where it came from. It has no bearing on the psalm which has previously been the focus of debate.

[Caroline]

It can't be ignored, read it..

Yep, it applies to Jeremy as much as Sheila.

[Caroline]

Yep, it applies to Jeremy as much as Sheila.

In fact, if you read the wholr thing - it's more Jeremy.

However, can you remember the name of the officer who sort out the explanation of the bible passages?

[Caroline]

In fact, if you read the wholr thing - it's more Jeremy.

However, can you remember the name of the officer who sort out the explanation of the bible passages?

Found it myself, It was DC Barlow.

[Caroline]

I can find nothing that states that Luke 12 was mentioned in connection with the bible on the forum or anywhere else. Do you have such a document?

[mike tesko]

Jeremy Bamber could not have shot dead his sister Sheila on the bedroom floor at any stage after 7.35am, when it is on record that there were two bodies (not one) found in the kitchen upon entry by the raid team!!

If anyone knows anything different to this, please present your argument here, so that someone as privileged as me. May consider what you have got to say!!

[mike tesko]

Contemporaneously recorded and timed police radio message log contents, are in my experience far more reliable than the contents of Police Officers witness statements (which have the propensity to be misleading , a long time after the facts)..

I am personally a victim of such a tactic, so please do not underestimate what I am saying...

[mike tesko]

The contents of contemporaneously recorded and specifically timed message log contents, are far more reliable than the contents of witness statement versions of the alleged same events!!

Please...

Stop acting stupidly - there were two bodies present downstairs in the kitchen, not one body...

Why would the contents of timed police radio message logs proclaim at a specific time (7.35am , 7.37am, 7.38am, 7.42am and 7.45am), refer to two bodies being present downstairs, if there had only been the one body, there?

[Steve_uk]

I wish these false so called prophets would not even contribute to the debate, if they are going to try and promote a load of bullshit that does not equate, or add up!!

..and this is a forum where all shades of opinion are taken into account. It is not your personal propaganda vehicle.

[Jane]

I wish these false so called prophets would not even contribute to the debate, if they are going to try and promote a load of bullshit that does not equate, or add up!!

There isn't any debate when differing viewpoints are forbidden.

[mike tesko]

Mike I doubt anyone on this forum believes your version that the Police shot Sheila. The murder weapon was so stiff that Malcolm Fletcher broke a nail whilst handling it and it jammed at Fingringhoe Ranges in front of the jury. That's not to say that the crime scene was not interfered with but not to the extent you claim. https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2011/jan/30/jeremy-bamber-appeal-murders-evidence

As for unwarranted personal attacks on members whom I call my friends I expect better of you and I think an apology is in order.

We are now getting to the truth...

We have ordinary members of the public, who cannot accept no matter what the circumstances, that in fact it was the police who had shot at Sheila downstairs in the kitchen, and later on, that the police had shot Sheila dead at a time when her body was laying on the parents bedroom floor!!

I understand the position of ordinary members of the public, since ordinarily no-one would expect Essex police to have been responsible, for the shootings of Sheila, downstairs and upstairs after the raid team forced entry into the Farmhouse!!

But, please, bear with me, because you have never been involved n police corruption, you have never been the victim of CPS corruption, and you have never been on the receiving end of the magistrates court system, or the Crown Court system, or the High Court judges system, or the appellate court system, and so you are not experienced if Io may Say so, in the lengths with which these people who profess to uphold the laws of this land are prepared to go to ensure that justice is done!

You, have never been a victim of POL ice corruption, or dishonesty by a magistrates court, a crown court, a high court or the appellate court (which I have), and so I fully understand where you are coming from!

Nevertheless, cops do lie, they do fabricate evidence, and the CPS do lie, and they do tend to build the lilloy, and magistrates do favour the prosecution's case, as do Crown Court Judges, High Court Judges and the appellate court judges in Generali...

Io do not need to e educated about these matters, because Io have been the victim of the system in general...

[mike tesko]

There isn't any debate when differing viewpoints are forbidden.

Sorry, no debate is forbidden here, but rest assured, that any valid reason or point to which anyone wishes to raise will be accepted for the purpose of future debate, without bias!

I actually look forward to any opposing view, which provides an opportunity for me to respond to!

[Jane]

But, the police did shoot Sheila, and kits because of people like yourself, who could not imagine that the police would do such a thing, that Essex police have so far got away with it!!

I DO believe that police would shoot IF it was necessary -and if it was my partner or son in charge of a gun in a "it's him/her or me" situation I'd want them to use it. I can also see that had Sheila been alive and threatening them with a gun, they may have had to shoot her. They'd have been perfectly within their rights to do so and there's have been no reason for them not to have admitted it. I know that this has occurred in other forces. I do not believe that Essex police are covering up anything. I do, however, believe the investigation may well have been the biggest cock-up in police history.

[mike tesko]

I DO believe that police would shoot IF it was necessary -and if it was my partner or son in charge of a gun in a "it's him/her or me" situation I'd want them to use it. I can also see that had Sheila been alive and threatening them with a gun, they may have had to shoot her. They'd have been perfectly within their rights to do so and there's have been no reason for them not to have admitted it. I know that this has occurred in other forces. I do not believe that Essex police are covering up anything. I do, however, believe the investigation may well have been the biggest cock-up in police history.

Ok, this is good...

I am with you, if the situation presented itself, whereby I was one of the firearm officers Triyng to enter the kitchen, and if I was, for example, the very first officer who managed to get around the opening edge of that internal back passage / kitchen doorway, and if I was being challenged by someone on the far side of that door, in a struggle over possession of that rifle, I would not hesitate, to fire off the weapon at any perpetrator standing in my way!

If that is your view, then I am with you!

There would be nothing illegal or dishonest in a firearms officer firing off his weapon in such circumstances..

[Jane]

..........................But, please, bear with me, because you have never been involved n police corruption, you have never been the victim of CPS corruption, and you have never been on the receiving end of the magistrates court system, or the Crown Court system, or the High Court judges system, or the appellate court system, and so you are not experienced if Io may Say so, in the lengths with which these people who profess to uphold the laws of this land are prepared to go to ensure that justice is done!

You, have never been a victim of POL ice corruption, or dishonesty by a magistrates court, a crown court, a high court or the appellate court (which I have), and so I fully understand where you are coming from!

Nevertheless, cops do lie, they do fabricate evidence, and the CPS do lie, and they do tend to build the lilloy, and magistrates do favour the prosecution's case, as do Crown Court Judges, High Court Judges and the appellate court judges in Generali...

Io do not need to e educated about these matters, because Io have been the victim of the system in general...

I absolutely get that. Your personal experience can NOT be left out of this equation. However just because you or I have personal experience of something, it doesn't make it a unilateral experience. But it might make us vulnerable to others who falsely claim the same experience.