julie mugford

[chochokeira]

Paulg one of the things I feel strongly about I do not think JB would have been found guilty if the jury knew about the NOTW £25,000.  They knew all about her cover up for a whole month, funerals etc but if they knew she had already brokered a deal before she went in the box they would have definately thought that was blood money.
I think the case would have collapsed then on top of the fact the jury were led to believe the relatives would not have inherited

And yes, i don't think he had a fair trial, but can't change that.

If only EP had done their job properly from the start, we wouldn't be here discussing the case 26 years on.

You cannot blame the police altogether.  How many of you know for example that it was Jeremy who encouraged the police to get rid of the carpets and the bloodstained clothing?

Have you ever tried to force or persuade the police to do anything?

Have any luck did you...?

[andrea]

i thought it was the police that decided to burn things from WHF they just needed jb signature. He didnt instigate the burning of belongings from inside the farmhouse it was the police.

[Jerry]

i thought it was the police that decided to burn things from WHF they just needed jb signature. He didnt instigate the burning of belongings from inside the farmhouse it was the police.

That should have been bedding and carpets.

[Jerry]

According to Mike..

Essex police had possession of the farmhouse keys from the morning of 7th August 1985 until the evening of the 9th August 1985. During this period Essex police carried out their examination of the scene including taking crime scene photographs and the taking of exhibits for evidential purposes and scientific examination at the Lab'. The police also took part in a clean up operation at the scene and burned bloodstained carpets and bed linen on a bonfire in the grounds of whf - all of this being done during the three day period that the police had the keys to the premises. It is therefore inevitable that the police picked things up and that they moved things around, and even that they took things outside to dispose of them, by burning them on a bonfire. If you pick up bloodstained items and you transport them from one place to another, it is inevitable that some blood will be transferred from the bloodied items onto your hands or clothing or footwear and then afterwards, if you pick something else up, there is going to be a very good chance that some form of accidental or innocent cross contamination of blood from the original item or the original items is going to be transfered onto anything that you come into contact with at and from that point onwards..

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[paulg]

Paulg one of the things I feel strongly about I do not think JB would have been found guilty if the jury knew about the NOTW £25,000.  They knew all about her cover up for a whole month, funerals etc but if they knew she had already brokered a deal before she went in the box they would have definately thought that was blood money.
I think the case would have collapsed then on top of the fact the jury were led to believe the relatives would not have inherited

And yes, i don't think he had a fair trial, but can't change that.

If only EP had done their job properly from the start, we wouldn't be here discussing the case 26 years on.

You cannot blame the police altogether.  How many of you know for example that it was Jeremy who encouraged the police to get rid of the carpets and the bloodstained clothing?

Yes that may be true, so once again it highlights a crap investigation by EP.

[chochokeira]

Paulg one of the things I feel strongly about I do not think JB would have been found guilty if the jury knew about the NOTW £25,000.  They knew all about her cover up for a whole month, funerals etc but if they knew she had already brokered a deal before she went in the box they would have definately thought that was blood money.
I think the case would have collapsed then on top of the fact the jury were led to believe the relatives would not have inherited

And yes, i don't think he had a fair trial, but can't change that.

If only EP had done their job properly from the start, we wouldn't be here discussing the case 26 years on.

You cannot blame the police altogether.  How many of you know for example that it was Jeremy who encouraged the police to get rid of the carpets and the bloodstained clothing?

Yes that may be true, so once again it highlights a crap investigation by EP.

Exactly. +1 paul. I haven't forgotten your statement, by the way, I haven't found it yet.

[paulg]

Paulg one of the things I feel strongly about I do not think JB would have been found guilty if the jury knew about the NOTW £25,000.  They knew all about her cover up for a whole month, funerals etc but if they knew she had already brokered a deal before she went in the box they would have definately thought that was blood money.
I think the case would have collapsed then on top of the fact the jury were led to believe the relatives would not have inherited

And yes, i don't think he had a fair trial, but can't change that.

If only EP had done their job properly from the start, we wouldn't be here discussing the case 26 years on.

You cannot blame the police altogether.  How many of you know for example that it was Jeremy who encouraged the police to get rid of the carpets and the bloodstained clothing?

Yes that may be true, so once again it highlights a crap investigation by EP.

Exactly. +1 paul. I haven't forgotten your statement, by the way, I haven't found it yet.

No probs Choch

I really want to see a response from her to the claims of attempting to smother Jeremy, and other stuff, but i don't think it'll be in her statement.

And was she 100% definately raped in France, that was claimed by someone yesterday..was it investigated by the French police etc?

Don't worry if you don't know the answers to the above Chochs, its a question aimed at anyone that can answer.

And a +1 to you, for becoming a mod.

[chochokeira]

Paulg one of the things I feel strongly about I do not think JB would have been found guilty if the jury knew about the NOTW £25,000.  They knew all about her cover up for a whole month, funerals etc but if they knew she had already brokered a deal before she went in the box they would have definately thought that was blood money.
I think the case would have collapsed then on top of the fact the jury were led to believe the relatives would not have inherited

And yes, i don't think he had a fair trial, but can't change that.

If only EP had done their job properly from the start, we wouldn't be here discussing the case 26 years on.

You cannot blame the police altogether.  How many of you know for example that it was Jeremy who encouraged the police to get rid of the carpets and the bloodstained clothing?

Yes that may be true, so once again it highlights a crap investigation by EP.

Exactly. +1 paul. I haven't forgotten your statement, by the way, I haven't found it yet.

No probs Choch

I really want to see a response from her to the claims of attempting to smother Jeremy, and other stuff, but i don't think it'll be in her statement.

And was she 100% definately raped in France, that was claimed by someone yesterday..was it investigated by the French police etc?

Don't worry if you don't know the answers to the above Chochs, its a question aimed at anyone that can answer.

And a +1 to you, for becoming a mod.

Thanks, paul. It's as much a surprise to me as it is to everyone else.

The rape allegation is interesting, but the first I heard of it was yesterday too, so I know nothing about this.I'd like to know more about this too. I'm sure JM does speak about her attempt to smother Jeremy in her statement, you'll see that when I find it.

Does anyone know where JM's statement is? I can't find it.

[grahameb]

I would like Julie to come on here and give her side of the story. But I know what would happen when the pro Bambers get hold of her. I would like to see an honest balanced discussion here perhaps if not her, someone who knows her?

[andrea]

Paulg one of the things I feel strongly about I do not think JB would have been found guilty if the jury knew about the NOTW £25,000.  They knew all about her cover up for a whole month, funerals etc but if they knew she had already brokered a deal before she went in the box they would have definately thought that was blood money.



she accused jb of raping her, nothing ever came of it. and the pillow smothering business wasnt she questioned about it in court?



























I think the case would have collapsed then on top of the fact the jury were led to believe the relatives would not have inherited

And yes, i don't think he had a fair trial, but can't change that.

If only EP had done their job properly from the start, we wouldn't be here discussing the case 26 years on.

You cannot blame the police altogether.  How many of you know for example that it was Jeremy who encouraged the police to get rid of the carpets and the bloodstained clothing?

Yes that may be true, so once again it highlights a crap investigation by EP.

Exactly. +1 paul. I haven't forgotten your statement, by the way, I haven't found it yet.

No probs Choch

I really want to see a response from her to the claims of attempting to smother Jeremy, and other stuff, but i don't think it'll be in her statement.

And was she 100% definately raped in France, that was claimed by someone yesterday..was it investigated by the French police etc?

Don't worry if you don't know the answers to the above Chochs, its a question aimed at anyone that can answer.

And a +1 to you, for becoming a mod.

Thanks, paul. It's as much a surprise to me as it is to everyone else.

The rape allegation is interesting, but the first I heard of it was yesterday too, so I know nothing about this.I'd like to know more about this too. I'm sure JM does speak about her attempt to smother Jeremy in her statement, you'll see that when I find it.

Does anyone know where JM's statement is? I can't find it.

[Alias]

JM's wedding in 1991. I have to say she looks beautiful and happy

She sure looks happy, the little Muggie.

Great find - picture has promptly been nicked for my collection. 

[SUMMER]

Probably just me, but Julie had put on a lot of weight by the
look of this picture because she was as thin as a rail in the Bamber Funeral clips!
(Maybe she was off the drugs by the time she got married?)

[OnceSaid]

Help please 

What age was JM at the times of the murders?

How long prior to the murders were her and JB in a relationship?

How far did she live from JB's home?

My mind has went blank  What day did the murders take place?

[nugnug]

she was 25 i believe.

[Hartley]

Help please 

What age was JM at the times of the murders?

Her date of birth is 26/8/64, so she was 20 years old at the time of the murders, turning 21 just over two weeks after the murders.

How long prior to the murders were her and JB in a relationship?

She met Jeremy in November 1983 when they were both working at Sloppy Joes Restaurant in Colchester, I'm not sure when they became an item without looking it up.

How far did she live from JB's home?

She lived at 44 Harvard Rd, Hithergreen, London. Jeremy lived in Goldhanger.

My mind has went blank  What day did the murders take place?

The murders took place on the 7th August 1985 which was a Wednesday.