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[guest7363]

A very balanced and insightful post, RJ.

Thanks Jane, I do try 🙈

I think Bamber was in and out of love with Julie, the times he was in love with her she probably painted pictures in her mind of their future together, she probably loved to hear his stories of what he was going to give her and their future together,  this then became her window of opportunity, so long as she could distance herself from the eventuality, in her mind it made it easier for her.

[Jane]

I suppose if you believe this is a miscarriage of justice case then what she has done is unthinkable but I still find it impossible to believe anyone takes her word for any of it, yet people on here believe her for no reason at at.  My sticking point has always been as know is the visit to the mortuary. I will never accept the reason as identifying the twins. If you are training to be a teacher the vision of two children with holes in their heads would never leave you.
To see your boyfriends handiwork would not be possible

Why might that be, Jackie? Whose word is more likely to contain truth? Yours, or hers? How altruistic is your desire for revenge? You deny any feelings for Jeremy but do little to conceal them when you speak of him.

You labour the identification point. Don't you think others were given the chance? Are you SO consumed with hatred for Julie that you believe she somehow engineered it. Are you saying she refused to let anyone else do it? You've named those, who, in your opinion, would have been more suitable. How do you know they were? If they were unable to tell the boys apart, it was hardly Julie's fault. For whatever reason, the offer from one other person was rejected -I suspect it came down to the fact that Julie was there and Heather wasn't. THAT wasn't Julie's fault either.

[Jane]

Thanks Jane, I do try 🙈

I think Bamber was in and out of love with Julie, the times he was in love with her she probably painted pictures in her mind of their future together, she probably loved to hear his stories of what he was going to give her and their future together,  this then became her window of opportunity, so long as she could distance herself from the eventuality, in her mind it made it easier for her.

I couldn't have said it better, RJ! They were any young couple, tied together in love and lust, with lots of talk about a together future to add fuel to it. It may well have been all fantasy on her part until the moment it became real.

[guest7363]

I'm not certain why you should feel the need to battle with me, NGB. I've never concealed my dislike of Julie going back to when I thought Jeremy was innocent. However, I'll admit my dislike of her then may, compared to now, have an uncomfortable resemblance to how Jeremy's 'would be' sees her now. Now, MY view of her is more balanced. I've learned something of her background from someone who knew her family. I've said, on countless occasions, that I find her behaviour appalling. I've said that I'd have been ashamed to have called her my daughter. I'm not certain what more I could say to get across that I don't support her. However, in a court of law -and despite some treating it that way, this forum isn't- everything which isn't white, is black. REAL life isn't like that. None of us are more than products of our upbringings and the standards we've witnessed and experienced -if we see our care-givers "getting away with it" it stands to reason we'll do the same- it's understandable when we're children. Children aren't responsible. It doesn't excuse those behaviours, as adults, we fail to take responsibility for but it helps to explain.

What she did was wrong, almost beyond belief, BUT -and in the legal world of black or white it really doesn't matter what was the driving force behind it- she came good and did the right thing. That the decision was taken not to prosecute her ISN'T her fault, but she may have paid for it since. I wonder, for how long she's expected to pay? How long is this sick vendetta against her going to last? It seems to me that if her "crimes" are measured as being on a par with Jeremy's, the "crimes" of those -some of whom appear to be coming from a position of jealousy- who actively seek to destroy her life and family, are every bit as bad as those they accuse her of.

I love reading your posts Jane, such warmth and understanding of the subject being painted and the picture your seeing, I think NGB respects you though Jane, although he doesn’t see eye to eye, he values your views and forum input. 👍👍👍

[guest7363]

I couldn't have said it better, RJ! They were any young couple, tied together in love and lust, with lots of talk about a together future to add fuel to it. It may well have been all fantasy on her part until the moment it became real.

Ive had a good tutor over the years 👍

[Jane]

I love reading your posts Jane, such warmth and understanding of the subject being painted and the picture your seeing, I think NGB respects you though Jane, although he doesn’t see eye to eye, he values your views and forum input. 👍👍👍

 

[JackieD]

I agree with you that whatever your view on the case JM comes across as dreadful.  I do not hold back in my total condemnation of her.  This is my continuing battle with some members here, particularly Steve_UK, but also to an extent Jane and even Caroline, whom I respect a lot even though I disagree with her on some aspects of the case (but agree more than you might realise on others).  However RJ has been fairly balanced in relation to JM.  He is certainly not a supporter of her.  He has a view on JB based upon people he knows and although I do not share his view I recognise that it is sincerely held and fairly argued.  I think sensible debate is the answer here, particularly if we hope to persuade people of our view.

With regard to the comment above it’s entirely up to you who you respect but previously your judgement seems to have let you down very badly especially over Mat the troll. I have NEVER had a public apology from you regarding being accused of giving out your personal details on clearly a fake account which you eventually and only recently accepted in a pm. Why have you never apologised personally or openly on an open forum after letting forum members believe I had done something so nasty.

It’s obvious I am not highly regarded as a forum member by yourself yet I am regarded highly enough by people trying to keep Jeremy in prison to make up false accounts to try to get me banned.
Who else suffers that kind of behaviour?

I can’t even get my head around it and yet you let Jane and Caroline’s friend continue to post on the forum.

I guess we both have a different level of how we choose to respect people. You obviously don’t think Caroline and Jane are rude to innocent posters like Kaldin and Jan in the hope they will leave the forum. You obviously don’t think people gang up on me on the forum. Are you blind.

You respect these people

Nobody knows for sure if Jeremy is innocent or guilty and I am only interested in the facts.

Caroline can post a million times on the forum about the phone calls and it’s a complete waste of time as there is NO proof either way.

Mugfords statements can be ignored as there is not a person alive who can pull of lying and deception better than her

At least you have made it clear what type of posters you are looking to encourage on the forum

Let’s see how quickly this post gets removed

[guest7363]

With regard to the comment above it’s entirely up to you who you respect but previously your judgement seems to have let you down very badly especially over Mat the troll. I have NEVER had a public apology from you regarding being accused of giving out your personal details on clearly a fake account which you eventually and only recently accepted in a pm. Why have you never apologised personally or openly on an open forum after letting forum members believe I had done something so nasty.

It’s obvious I am not highly regarded as a forum member by yourself yet I am regarded highly enough by people trying to keep Jeremy in prison to make up false accounts to try to get me banned.
Who else suffers that kind of behaviour?

I can’t even get my head around it and yet you let Jane and Caroline’s friend continue to post on the forum.

I guess we both have a different level of how we choose to respect people. You obviously don’t think Caroline and Jane are rude to innocent posters like Kaldin and Jan in the hope they will leave the forum. You obviously don’t think people gang up on me on the forum. Are you blind.

You respect these people

Nobody knows for sure if Jeremy is innocent or guilty and I am only interested in the facts.

Caroline can post a million times on the forum about the phone calls and it’s a complete waste of time as there is NO proof either way.

Mugfords statements can be ignored as there is not a person alive who can pull of lying and deception better than her

At least you have made it clear what type of posters you are looking to encourage on the forum

Let’s see how quickly this post gets removed

I hope the post stays, if posters had doubts about your sanity I don’t think they will be in doubt now 😂😂😂. NGB is what this forum is all about, opinions and debate that’s all.  I had no argument with Kaldin, he gave as good as he got, but he finds my choice of words not to taste, it’s best we don’t interact to save any more arguments.

[Jane]

With regard to the comment above it’s entirely up to you who you respect but previously your judgement seems to have let you down very badly especially over Mat the troll. I have NEVER had a public apology from you regarding being accused of giving out your personal details on clearly a fake account which you eventually and only recently accepted in a pm. Why have you never apologised personally or openly on an open forum after letting forum members believe I had done something so nasty.

It’s obvious I am not highly regarded as a forum member by yourself yet I am regarded highly enough by people trying to keep Jeremy in prison to make up false accounts to try to get me banned.
Who else suffers that kind of behaviour?

I can’t even get my head around it and yet you let Jane and Caroline’s friend continue to post on the forum.

I guess we both have a different level of how we choose to respect people. You obviously don’t think Caroline and Jane are rude to innocent posters like Kaldin and Jan in the hope they will leave the forum. You obviously don’t think people gang up on me on the forum. Are you blind.

You respect these people

Nobody knows for sure if Jeremy is innocent or guilty and I am only interested in the facts.

Caroline can post a million times on the forum about the phone calls and it’s a complete waste of time as there is NO proof either way.

Mugfords statements can be ignored as there is not a person alive who can pull of lying and deception better than her

At least you have made it clear what type of posters you are looking to encourage on the forum

Let’s see how quickly this post gets removed

Jackie, when it comes to rudeness, I hail you. You have it down to a fine art. You wear the crown. It may have escaped your notice, despite Sami pointing it out to you, that we had a whole evening of good debate until you came on line and wrecked it.

 It's your own behaviours which have caused you to be banned, deservedly, and they go back a long time before I joined. Holding grudges is a particularly unattractive trait along with digging out old posts to score points. Worse is the "poor ME" attitude which colours the above post.  I have NO desire to be rude but I'll defend myself against it. I, nor others, will simply sit back and allow your insults. You complain that you're "ganged up on" yet seem to think you have a perfect right to encourage others to gang up on the poor soul you pick out as your latest victim. You are the only person who can do anything to change the status in which you feel yourself to be held. It's not down to others to change their opinions of you until you give them reason to do so.

[guest7363]

I’m going to personally PM  NGB to offer my complete support even though we differ in debate, he is the last person who should be subjected to this vile attack, I hope other posters do the same please.  Thank you

[Jane]

I’m going to personally PM  NGB to offer my complete support even though we differ in debate, he is the last person who should be subjected to this vile attack, I hope other posters do the same please.  Thank you

He has my FULL support in this regard, RJ. He's supported Jackie above and beyond the call of duty and she repays him with this hateful and unwarranted post whinging about how badly she feels he's treated her.

[guest7363]

He has my FULL support in this regard, RJ. He's supported Jackie above and beyond the call of duty and she repays him with this hateful and unwarranted post whinging about how badly she feels he's treated her.

Im sometimes ashamed to be on the same forum as her Jane.  I’ve PM NGB I suggest EVERYONE does the same.

[JackieD]

He has my FULL support in this regard, RJ. He's supported Jackie above and beyond the call of duty and she repays him with this hateful and unwarranted post whinging about how badly she feels he's treated her.

Don’t worry I have sent him the same. So he has your full support for me being falsely accused of something by him and him not acknowledging he was completely wrong and being completely fooled by a troll.

He obviously thinks that was ok

What it’s like to be in Jeremy’s shoes, I know exactly
So for the record are you saying Neil didn’t accuse me?
Are you saying Mat isn’t a troll?
Are you saying it wasn’t any of your friends who set up a false account to get me banned because of all the influential people I got involved in the case?
Are you saying I shouldn’t have had an apology?

Please spell it out to me ?

[JackieD]

I hope the post stays, if posters had doubts about your sanity I don’t think they will be in doubt now 😂😂😂. NGB is what this forum is all about, opinions and debate that’s all.  I had no argument with Kaldin, he gave as good as he got, but he finds my choice of words not to taste, it’s best we don’t interact to save any more arguments.

No your wrong you were rude and Kaldin complained about ganging up.
Kaldin was here before me, before you and before Caroline and he has always been a brilliant poster

When I posted then we had brilliant debates and we did not allow trolls like Mat on the forum

[guest7363]

No your wrong you were rude and Kaldin complained about ganging up.
Kaldin was here before me, before you and before Caroline and he has always been a brilliant poster

When I posted then we had brilliant debates and we did not allow trolls like Mat on the forum

Ive been here since 2010, when it started joining early 2011 I think, anyway that has nothing to do with it, I’m not getting into your very sick and sad arguments, it’s the new me, RJ Reformed 😇😇