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[Jane]

Well apparently now it’s all crystal clear that everything he did was contrived ridiculous and fake and has no logic whatsoever . he led the police operation and was within a few days the greatest actor ever and next the worst . As it’s all so obvious I am shocked those experienced police men did not spot it immediately .

And still no answer why as a guilty man he did not just wait and call 999 . Rather than looking like an idiot .

As you've spent most of this thread repeating the same question, and STILL claim impartiality, perhaps it's time you came up with something as opposed to ridiculing what others say?

[Jane]

good point lookout ,he may have got that wrong especially if had been on the bottle

At that time of the morning!!! Oh Sami!!!!

[sami]

At that time of the morning!!! Oh Sami!!!!

he may have needed one jane,after listening to jb,s bullshit

[Jan]

As you've spent most of this thread repeating the same question, and STILL claim impartiality, perhaps it's time you came up with something as opposed to ridiculing what others say?

The other side to the argument is already known . Everyone says he must be guilty because he did not call 999 and rush to the farm . It is implicated it shows his guilt. So why would I repeat that ?

And I am perfectly entitled to look at it from the other angle . And I am saying that assuming he IS guilty why did he get the call so wrong or if it was planned that way then why ?


I have also said I am leaning towards innocent I have never ever hidden that . But still asking questions.

[Jane]

The other side to the argument is already known . Everyone says he must be guilty because he did not call 999 and rush to the farm . It is implicated it shows his guilt. So why would I repeat that ?

And I am perfectly entitled to look at it from the other angle . And I am saying that assuming he IS guilty why did he get the call so wrong or if it was planned that way then why ?


I have also said I am leaning towards innocent I have never ever hidden that . But still asking questions.

I can't speak for others. There isn't one SINGLE factor which says guilt to me. It's an amalgam of which his failure to dial 999 is just a part. We have no idea what time the murders occurred so it's reasonable to assume that he may have wanted to buy some time to put space between the killing and the finding before calling for assistance. His behaviours, later, can do no other than raise suspicion.

[Jan]

If he wanted to buy time he could have just called half an hour later he had already set the crime scene .

[lookout]

He could have said nothing at all and just turned up for work ??

[Jane]

If he wanted to buy time he could have just called half an hour later he had already set the crime scene .

But whilst you claim "he could have" you're not Jeremy. This is you giving him permission so this is from your perspective.

[Jane]

He could have said nothing at all and just turned up for work ??

You're trying to reorganize it for him. He'd have done what he'd planned to do. It can't not have shaken him having to shoot Sheila twice. That he may have have needed some breathing space isn't unreasonable.

[Caroline]

Well apparently now it’s all crystal clear that everything he did was contrived ridiculous and fake and has no logic whatsoever . he led the police operation and was within a few days the greatest actor ever and next the worst . As it’s all so obvious I am shocked those experienced police men did not spot it immediately .

And still no answer why as a guilty man he did not just wait and call 999 . Rather than looking like an idiot .

Most of his actions must have been contrived, some may have been the result of circumstances. I have seen many people defend the fact that he didn't call 999 but now you're saying that there is no logic?

You may not have an answer you like, but it has been answered today and on previous occasions. I never said he was a good actor - it's what alerted Jones to the idea that he was the guilty party and Stan Jones did spot it immediately.

[guest7363]

The other side to the argument is already known . Everyone says he must be guilty because he did not call 999 and rush to the farm . It is implicated it shows his guilt. So why would I repeat that ?

And I am perfectly entitled to look at it from the other angle . And I am saying that assuming he IS guilty why did he get the call so wrong or if it was planned that way then why ?


I have also said I am leaning towards innocent I have never ever hidden that . But still asking questions.

No Jan, posters don’t think he’s guilty because of the 999 call, if it was based on that and that alone he wouldn’t have been convicted, it just looks suspicious from a guilty standpoint that’s all.  Bamber's actions and Bamber's reasons we will never know, like Maggie said everything can cancel each argument out, but on a item like this you can only think how you would react given the same scenarios. 

I can honestly say, if my Father rang and asked me to get over, I would without hesitation dash straight there, I wouldn’t ring my girlfriend and get her out bed, what advice could she give me, I wouldn’t ring police because if my Dad thought it series he would have,  so why do I need to ring police, he’s not asked me to ring police.

[Jan]

No Jan, posters don’t think he’s guilty because of the 999 call, if it was based on that and that alone he wouldn’t have been convicted, it just looks suspicious from a guilty standpoint that’s all.  Bamber's actions and Bamber's reasons we will never know, like Maggie said everything can cancel each argument out, but on a item like this you can only think how you would react given the same scenarios. 

I can honestly say, if my Father rang and asked me to get over, I would without hesitation dash straight there, I wouldn’t ring my girlfriend and get her out bed, what advice could she give me, I wouldn’t ring police because if my Dad thought it series he would have,  so why do I need to ring police, he’s not asked me to ring police.

I think my point is  he would have just planned the call more carefully if it was intended as his alibi and I can’t see any reason why he did  not .

If he was innocent and half asleep when he took the call and did not know what to do then his actions were obviously not the best but only he can say what his thought process was . We don’t all act the same in a crisis .

But if the call and the phoning the police were his alibi I think he definitely would not have made a mess of it . IMO of course .

[guest7363]

I think my point is  he would have just planned the call more carefully if it was intended as his alibi and I can’t see any reason why he did  not .

If he was innocent and half asleep when he took the call and did not know what to do then his actions were obviously not the best but only he can say what his thought process was . We don’t all act the same in a crisis .

But if the call and the phoning the police were his alibi I think he definitely would not have made a mess of it . IMO of course .

I part agree Jan, but the best planning in the world can trick you into feeling safe?  It always doesn’t go to plan Jan, I admire your knowledge about the case and admit  there  are flaws with the case,  but guilt always makes you unable to think straight, the truth is straight down the line and doesn’t deviate.

[Jane]

I think my point is  he would have just planned the call more carefully if it was intended as his alibi and I can’t see any reason why he did  not .

If he was innocent and half asleep when he took the call and did not know what to do then his actions were obviously not the best but only he can say what his thought process was . We don’t all act the same in a crisis .

But if the call and the phoning the police were his alibi I think he definitely would not have made a mess of it . IMO of course .

You obviously don't believe the call to have been well planned. Jeremy must have believed it had been.

I believe he treated the whole procedure like the first cold read of a production before the actors have had time to develop their character's emotions. This meant, at times, he had to backtrack to get it right, ie, he wasn't aware the situation was serious/his father had sounded terrified, he didn't think calling 999 would get police there any faster/berating them for keeping him waiting.

[sami]

I part agree Jan, but the best planning in the world can trick you into feeling safe?  It always doesn’t go to plan Jan, I admire your knowledge about the case and admit  there  are flaws with the case,  but guilt always makes you unable to think straight, the truth is straight down the line and doesn’t deviate.

thats nicely put rj