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Offline lookout

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« Reply #90 on: August 03, 2018, 05:58:PM »
Gringo-------do you get my meaning ?

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« Reply #92 on: August 03, 2018, 06:04:PM »
And gullible.






Is that now going to be your favourite word ?  :)) :)) :)) :)) :)) :)) :)) :)) It's self explanatory, what's your problem ?

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« Reply #93 on: August 03, 2018, 06:09:PM »





Is that now going to be your favourite word ?  :)) :)) :)) :)) :)) :)) :)) :)) It's self explanatory, what's your problem ?

Well, I believe you used it to explain that it was something you weren't, which is curious because it's so apt.

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« Reply #94 on: August 03, 2018, 06:10:PM »
Well, I believe you used it to explain that it was something you weren't, which is curious because it's so apt.






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« Reply #95 on: August 03, 2018, 06:18:PM »





In your eyes only !

'Fraid not, Lookout. There's always gullibility about blind faith.

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Re: Video re photographs non-disclosure
« Reply #96 on: August 03, 2018, 06:19:PM »
Nothing wrong with my comprehension but YOU, like the video are exaggerating the guys qualifications. The man was a POLICE OFFICER NOT A PHOTOGRAPHER and PHOTOGRAPHY WAS NOT HIS MAIN JOB. Unless you are blind, unable to read or making an attempt to deliberately have people believe he was a professional photographer - he states this in his interview! You're the one misinterpreting NO WHERE does it state that he is a specialist or a professional photographer. 

You clearly know nothing about the history of the Scenes of Crime Division. Police officers moved in and out of the SOCO department before it became a civilian role (and they were given proper training). Up until that time, SOCO's had limited experience!

History
SOCOs were first introduced into the Metropolitan Police in 1968, replacing the CID officers who had previously carried out these functions. Some other forces had introduced them before that time, however.

Other police forces around the United Kingdom continued this trend of replacing the CID officers with civilians. This allowed the creation of dedicated departments within the police forces. Police officers often moved post after only a few years; the introduction of civilian Scenes of Crime Officers allowed departments to build a resource based on experience

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scenes_of_crime_officer
    It is self evident that there is much wrong with your comprehension. That is just a shouty rant and an irrelevant wiki reference.
    To address just one of your extended shouts.
    Yes it does state that he is a specialist or professional photographer. Read it again if you missed it. He goes to the mortuary to do his "specialist job". Bird himself states that he is a photographer three times. His main role is obviously referring to the role he performs most of the time. This is because his specialist role is only required for major incidents.
     The rest of us are up to speed on this, it's just you and Jane struggling to keep up, deliberately I suspect, although I don't entirely rule out your comprehension skills being this poor.
     It is obvious to most here that EP employed PC Bird as a specialist crime scene photographer along with two other specialist photographers. Given the importance of the role and the need for a specialist to be available 24/7, the three specialist officers were put on a rota to make sure that a crime scene photographer was always available should a major incident occur.
     In order to usefully employ these specialists they are given other roles to perform when not needed for their rarely used specialist role. Thus the sometimes difficult balancing act of obtaining value for money whilst still providing 24/7 specialist cover is achieved.
    Everyone else can already see that simply by reading the excerpts that you posted.
    You are free to believe that Bird and the two other officers were randomly assigned these duties, but you are clearly wrong.
    Do you think that this was Bird's first job? Do you think his usual practice was to mess up crime scene pictures and this was never acted upon?
    It surely would have come up if officers kept messing up crime scene photographs. If he didn't normally mess them up then how do reach the conclusion that he did so this time because of amateurish incompetence?
    Your theory falls apart on contact with reason.

   

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« Reply #97 on: August 03, 2018, 06:27:PM »
    It is self evident that there is much wrong with your comprehension. That is just a shouty rant and an irrelevant wiki reference.
    To address just one of your extended shouts.
    Yes it does state that he is a specialist or professional photographer. Read it again if you missed it. He goes to the mortuary to do his "specialist job". Bird himself states that he is a photographer three times. His main role is obviously referring to the role he performs most of the time. This is because his specialist role is only required for major incidents.
     The rest of us are up to speed on this, it's just you and Jane struggling to keep up, deliberately I suspect, although I don't entirely rule out your comprehension skills being this poor.
     It is obvious to most here that EP employed PC Bird as a specialist crime scene photographer along with two other specialist photographers. Given the importance of the role and the need for a specialist to be available 24/7, the three specialist officers were put on a rota to make sure that a crime scene photographer was always available should a major incident occur.
     In order to usefully employ these specialists they are given other roles to perform when not needed for their rarely used specialist role. Thus the sometimes difficult balancing act of obtaining value for money whilst still providing 24/7 specialist cover is achieved.
    Everyone else can already see that simply by reading the excerpts that you posted.
    You are free to believe that Bird and the two other officers were randomly assigned these duties, but you are clearly wrong.
    Do you think that this was Bird's first job? Do you think his usual practice was to mess up crime scene pictures and this was never acted upon?
    It surely would have come up if officers kept messing up crime scene photographs. If he didn't normally mess them up then how do reach the conclusion that he did so this time because of amateurish incompetence?
    Your theory falls apart on contact with reason.

 

One of MY extended shouts? Seriously? I wasn't the FIRST to start with the insults but like a lot of Bamber supporters, as soon as someone tries to debate an issue, you get hot under the collar, up come the hackles and the rant begins.

Do some research on SOCO before the role became civilianised. Likelihood is, that Bird was interested in photography and that's why he ended up in the role but that does NOT make him a specialist and I think you're silly to even suggest he was.

When I come into contact with 'reason' I'll let you know how I get on - that isn't you though because your temper rules your posts and you just end up repeating yourself through a series of childish put downs. Lookout's impressed - so you know there's something wrong somewhere!
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Offline Jane

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Re: Video re photographs non-disclosure
« Reply #98 on: August 03, 2018, 06:39:PM »
    It is self evident that there is much wrong with your comprehension. That is just a shouty rant and an irrelevant wiki reference.
    To address just one of your extended shouts.
    Yes it does state that he is a specialist or professional photographer. Read it again if you missed it. He goes to the mortuary to do his "specialist job". Bird himself states that he is a photographer three times. His main role is obviously referring to the role he performs most of the time. This is because his specialist role is only required for major incidents.
     The rest of us are up to speed on this, it's just you and Jane struggling to keep up, deliberately I suspect, although I don't entirely rule out your comprehension skills being this poor.
     It is obvious to most here that EP employed PC Bird as a specialist crime scene photographer along with two other specialist photographers. Given the importance of the role and the need for a specialist to be available 24/7, the three specialist officers were put on a rota to make sure that a crime scene photographer was always available should a major incident occur.
     In order to usefully employ these specialists they are given other roles to perform when not needed for their rarely used specialist role. Thus the sometimes difficult balancing act of obtaining value for money whilst still providing 24/7 specialist cover is achieved.
    Everyone else can already see that simply by reading the excerpts that you posted.
    You are free to believe that Bird and the two other officers were randomly assigned these duties, but you are clearly wrong.
    Do you think that this was Bird's first job? Do you think his usual practice was to mess up crime scene pictures and this was never acted upon?
    It surely would have come up if officers kept messing up crime scene photographs. If he didn't normally mess them up then how do reach the conclusion that he did so this time because of amateurish incompetence?
    Your theory falls apart on contact with reason.

 


"It's obvious to most here". IS it? You mean Lookout? The rest of WHO is up to speed? I take it you mean Lookout who won't actually care what you say. It's enough for her that you're pro Jeremy. It's possible said pictures were removed because they were considered to be A) too distressing B) of no value and unnecessarily time consuming -WERE 5 rooms involved in the massacre? Please don't feel the need to throw out insults on Lookout's behalf. She's more than capable of doing it for herself. She's well practiced.

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Re: Video re photographs non-disclosure
« Reply #99 on: August 03, 2018, 07:13:PM »
Grow up !

Offline Caroline

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Re: Video re photographs non-disclosure
« Reply #100 on: August 03, 2018, 07:14:PM »

"It's obvious to most here". IS it? You mean Lookout? The rest of WHO is up to speed? I take it you mean Lookout who won't actually care what you say. It's enough for her that you're pro Jeremy. It's possible said pictures were removed because they were considered to be A) too distressing B) of no value and unnecessarily time consuming -WERE 5 rooms involved in the massacre? Please don't feel the need to throw out insults on Lookout's behalf. She's more than capable of doing it for herself. She's well practiced.

Even now, they only undertake a nine week course and guess what is included as part of the course? Photography!  ;D Does nine weeks make you a specialist? Well, it's not even nine weeks really as photography is only PART of the course and Bird didn't even do the course (it wasn't a requirement back then!).

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Re: Video re photographs non-disclosure
« Reply #101 on: August 03, 2018, 07:22:PM »
Even now, they only undertake a nine week course and guess what is included as part of the course? Photography!  ;D Does nine weeks make you a specialist? Well, it's not even nine weeks really as photography is only PART of the course and Bird didn't even do the course (it wasn't a requirement back then!).

As I said, I think he's demanding, in tones supposed to convince us he knows what he's talking about, that we accept the slant on it that he insists.

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Re: Video re photographs non-disclosure
« Reply #102 on: August 03, 2018, 07:26:PM »

"It's obvious to most here". IS it? You mean Lookout? The rest of WHO is up to speed? I take it you mean Lookout who won't actually care what you say. It's enough for her that you're pro Jeremy. It's possible said pictures were removed because they were considered to be A) too distressing B) of no value and unnecessarily time consuming -WERE 5 rooms involved in the massacre? Please don't feel the need to throw out insults on Lookout's behalf. She's more than capable of doing it for herself. She's well practiced.

there is no way any photos would be withheld for the reason of being " too distressing"

how do you know the 5 rooms were not "involved " in the massacre , there may well be clues in rooms where the murders did not take place

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« Reply #103 on: August 03, 2018, 07:29:PM »
there is no way any photos would be withheld for the reason of being " too distressing"

how do you know the 5 rooms were not "involved " in the massacre , there may well be clues in rooms where the murders did not take place

Because all of the rooms were searched and checked - a photograph wouldn't tell you more than a physical search.
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Re: Video re photographs non-disclosure
« Reply #104 on: August 03, 2018, 07:32:PM »
Because all of the rooms were searched and checked - a photograph wouldn't tell you more than a physical search.






Why can't we be the judge of that ?