The lights that were on

[IndigoJ]

Having read the police statements there were a number of lights that were on when they attended the farmhouse that morning, the kitchen , the light above the main door and two bedroom lights on , one with pink curtains and one with blue curtains, not sure which rooms these were?

for those who think JB guilty then JB would have had to consciously think about which lights he needed to leave on, because surely if JB was the killer he wouldn't have put any lights on when he gained entry to the building as it would have alerted the family he was there , so he would then have had to put them on to stage the scene i e to have us believe that his father was in the kitchen using the phone to call him and that SB was awake and threatening him

any thoughts or views on this?

[nugnug]

Having read the police statements there were a number of lights that were on when they attended the farmhouse that morning, the kitchen , the light above the main door and two bedroom lights on , one with pink curtains and one with blue curtains, not sure which rooms these were?

for those who think JB guilty then JB would have had to consciously think about which lights he needed to leave on, because surely if JB was the killer he wouldn't have put any lights on when he gained entry to the building as it would have alerted the family he was there , so he would then have had to put them on to stage the scene i e to have us believe that his father was in the kitchen using the phone to call him and that SB was awake and threatening him

any thoughts or views on this?

well maybe he turned them on to see what he doing but then agian that doesnt explian him not turning them off agian.

[lookout]

Jeremy had lived there so wouldn't have had the need for any lighting as he knew the place like the back of his hand.
Then there was the alleged light of the moon which had highlighted " the trick of the light " ( originally the silhouette of a figure at the window ) so sufficient light there especially with the curtains open.
The farmhouse had been well-lit, looking from the outside and curtains in various rooms were being opened and closed along with lights going on and off at intervals.

 

[David1819]

Having read the police statements there were a number of lights that were on when they attended the farmhouse that morning, the kitchen , the light above the main door and two bedroom lights on , one with pink curtains and one with blue curtains, not sure which rooms these were?

for those who think JB guilty then JB would have had to consciously think about which lights he needed to leave on, because surely if JB was the killer he wouldn't have put any lights on when he gained entry to the building as it would have alerted the family he was there , so he would then have had to put them on to stage the scene i e to have us believe that his father was in the kitchen using the phone to call him and that SB was awake and threatening him

any thoughts or views on this?

IIRC Upstairs had three rooms with lights on. bathroom, main bedroom and twins rooms. Downstairs had the Kitchen light on.

If Jeremy commited the crime I would expect the scene to resemble the defeo murders.

[Adam]

Having read the police statements there were a number of lights that were on when they attended the farmhouse that morning, the kitchen , the light above the main door and two bedroom lights on , one with pink curtains and one with blue curtains, not sure which rooms these were?

for those who think JB guilty then JB would have had to consciously think about which lights he needed to leave on, because surely if JB was the killer he wouldn't have put any lights on when he gained entry to the building as it would have alerted the family he was there , so he would then have had to put them on to stage the scene i e to have us believe that his father was in the kitchen using the phone to call him and that SB was awake and threatening him

any thoughts or views on this?

Bamber may have turned the lights on when entering the main bedroom. To ensure accurrate shots into June & Nevill.

The kitchen fight would have been in the dark. As there was no point him turning that light on prior to creeping upstairs.

Once June & Nevill had been negated he would have preferred lights to be on when killing Sheila.

The bedroom light may have been turned on prior to the twins shots. Again to ensure accurrate shots.

When staging the scene, he would have had the lights on.

[Adam]

The lights would be on when Sheila was 'going crazy' & Nevill was making his mysterious calls to Bamber & the police. 

Sheila & Nevill may have been strangely walking around WHF bare footed & in pyjamas/nightdress for a long period, but they wouldn't be doing that in the dark.

There is no reason why Bamber would believe Sheila would turn the lights off before killing herself. So he left them on.

[Jane]

Having read the police statements there were a number of lights that were on when they attended the farmhouse that morning, the kitchen , the light above the main door and two bedroom lights on , one with pink curtains and one with blue curtains, not sure which rooms these were?

for those who think JB guilty then JB would have had to consciously think about which lights he needed to leave on, because surely if JB was the killer he wouldn't have put any lights on when he gained entry to the building as it would have alerted the family he was there , so he would then have had to put them on to stage the scene i e to have us believe that his father was in the kitchen using the phone to call him and that SB was awake and threatening him

any thoughts or views on this?

Jeremy probably wouldn't have needed lights. He was an accomplished marksman. However, as my informant said, it was done with artistic licence to make it appear as if an incompetent shooter had done it. Sheila WOULD have needed to have lights on so Jeremy could put on any light he thought Sheila would need. It wouldn't matter that he'd left them on.

[Adam]

Some lights being on benefits neither person.

Sheila & Nevill would not be making mysterious phone calls & picking up rifles bare footed & in pyjama's/nightdress, in the dark. While Bamber would turn some lights on during & after the massacre.

There is no reason why either would then turn them all off.

[Adam]

The main bedroom light was on I assume. Unless Sheila could read June's bible in the dark.

[Steve_uk]

There's more than one thread on this, but always good to have new input. http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,4585.0.html

[IndigoJ]

IIRC Upstairs had three rooms with lights on. bathroom, main bedroom and twins rooms. Downstairs had the Kitchen light on.

If Jeremy commited the crime I would expect the scene to resemble the defeo murders.

were all the lights off in the defeo murders?

[IndigoJ]

There's more than one thread on this, but always good to have new input. http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,4585.0.html

ah sorry about that Steve i hadn't seen this other thread , now i am confused as to how many lights were on ? does anyone know for sure?

also as it was an August morning how could they tell at that time whether there were lights on or not if curtains were shut , the statement i was reading was from a police officer who was observing the house from the outside and only described the rooms but didnt elaberate , as presumably he didnt know at the time, which rooms they belonged to,

[IndigoJ]

Some lights being on benefits neither person.

Sheila & Nevill would not be making mysterious phone calls & picking up rifles bare footed & in pyjama's/nightdress, in the dark. While Bamber would turn some lights on during & after the massacre.

There is no reason why either would then turn them all off.

why would the twins light be on? if it was turned on to see them to shoot them, this surely would have woken then up, however their curtains were found closed so it would have been dark in there without any moon light to see by, neither boy appeared to have woken up at all, i also think if it was SC that shot them her putting on the light , presumably also her being in a very distressed state and with the dog barking would have woken them and yet there is no evidence they were awake at all.

[IndigoJ]

The main bedroom light was on I assume. Unless Sheila could read June's bible in the dark.

that would be interesting if it wasn't on wouldn't it ?

[IndigoJ]

were the light switches ever finger printed?