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Offline lookout

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Re: Viva Les Differences
« Reply #75 on: July 29, 2018, 05:03:PM »

What are you suggesting here, Lookout. Do you think the police employed a cat burglar to break into Sheila's flat to retrieve an item they didn't know existed? THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE GILFOYLE CASE. Now, thus far, you've had them found by relatives, handled by relatives, presumably read by relatives. I'll ask you again what you believe were the chances of them giving ANYTHING to the police which might have made Sheila culpable having, according to you, done their damdest to incriminate Jeremy. You don't know what was in them, you appear determined, though, that they HAD to have incriminated Sheila, who hadn't made an entry for at least 4 days.






You don't half talk some bilge at times. What's all that about " cat burglars ?" I didn't even mention it nor did I say how police got the diaries. Just like making something out of nothing methinks.
Yes,it obviously disturbs you when I make reference using someone else's situation------not that you've ever included irrelevant persons in your posts have you ?


A 4 day gap in a diary is hardly the crime which you make it sound,is it ? t's not a given that one must write something every single day is it ? What exactly are you getting at ?

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« Reply #76 on: July 29, 2018, 05:22:PM »





You don't half talk some bilge at times. What's all that about " cat burglars ?" I didn't even mention it nor did I say how police got the diaries. Just like making something out of nothing methinks.
Yes,it obviously disturbs you when I make reference using someone else's situation------not that you've ever included irrelevant persons in your posts have you ?


A 4 day gap in a diary is hardly the crime which you make it sound,is it ? t's not a given that one must write something every single day is it ? What exactly are you getting at ?


You certainly didn't. Despite my having asked you several times. I also note that you're beginning to be rude. Something which, as noted by others than myself, happens when you can't give an answer, other than saying the relatives gave it to them without giving any thought to how the relatives might have got into Sheila's flat...............enter a cat-burglar? Tongue in cheek. Get it? No, Probably not.

I'm truly not interested in case other than this and I won't comment on things I know nothing about. I don't recall that I've included irrelevancies. I don't believe it to be something I| make a habit of. I'm more interested in immediacy.

I agree that a 4 day gap isn't a crime. It simply suggests that Sheila wasn't the prolific diarist you seem to believe she was, nor does she have to be. That's it. End of. I'm getting at nothing.

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Re: Viva Les Differences
« Reply #77 on: July 29, 2018, 05:48:PM »

You certainly didn't. Despite my having asked you several times. I also note that you're beginning to be rude. Something which, as noted by others than myself, happens when you can't give an answer, other than saying the relatives gave it to them without giving any thought to how the relatives might have got into Sheila's flat...............enter a cat-burglar? Tongue in cheek. Get it? No, Probably not.

I'm truly not interested in case other than this and I won't comment on things I know nothing about. I don't recall that I've included irrelevancies. I don't believe it to be something I| make a habit of. I'm more interested in immediacy.

I agree that a 4 day gap isn't a crime. It simply suggests that Sheila wasn't the prolific diarist you seem to believe she was, nor does she have to be. That's it. End of. I'm getting at nothing.







Once again I find myself repeating what I've previously said about the police handing over the diaries to the relatives ! I'm by no means rude, just answering your tedious drawn-out posts to which  when you don't get the answer you want-----throw your dummy out and start blaming me for being rude ?? You do the exact same performance every time that 've come to expect the pattern of your posts complete with reinforcements every now and again putting in his sixpenn'orth. Laughable really as it's sooooo predictable.


Instead of writing in her diaries while at WHF Sheila went on to greater things with her continued and prolific writings--------the pages of notes in the team's possession at the moment. The ones that EP put to one side,for years because they weren't " legible ".  So Sheila hadn't missed out on her daily reports after all.

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Re: Viva Les Differences
« Reply #78 on: July 29, 2018, 06:11:PM »






Once again I find myself repeating what I've previously said about the police handing over the diaries to the relatives ! I'm by no means rude, just answering your tedious drawn-out posts to which  when you don't get the answer you want-----throw your dummy out and start blaming me for being rude ?? You do the exact same performance every time that 've come to expect the pattern of your posts complete with reinforcements every now and again putting in his sixpenn'orth. Laughable really as it's sooooo predictable.


Instead of writing in her diaries while at WHF Sheila went on to greater things with her continued and prolific writings--------the pages of notes in the team's possession at the moment. The ones that EP put to one side,for years because they weren't " legible ".  So Sheila hadn't missed out on her daily reports after all.


You know, don't you, that you make yourself look very foolish every time you try to 'out psychology' me? However, I congratulate myself that you've obviously picked up something of it from me. You've yet to take on board that YOUR pattern amounts to nothing more than projection. It usually occurs when you wish to avoid. It's then that you take the conversation completely off track by involving other posters. Please don't take my word for it, though. I feel certain they'll back up what I say, but PLEASE lets not descend to the level of a few days ago. And you call me predictable? Tsk Tsk.

 Anyway, back to the topic in hand, eh? You have, indeed -and incidentally, I've never denied it- said that the police gave the diaries to the family. You've never given an opinion, though, on how you think the police came to have them in their possession. I'm truly interested to hear your opinion on this.

I'll tell you up front, before I go further. I don't believe there are ANY new and continued prolific notes currently in the teams' hands, OTHER than those we've already pored over here. NOR do I believe, as you imply, that Sheila dropped her diary writings in favour of them.

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Re: Viva Les Differences
« Reply #79 on: July 29, 2018, 06:24:PM »

You know, don't you, that you make yourself look very foolish every time you try to 'out psychology' me? However, I congratulate myself that you've obviously picked up something of it from me. You've yet to take on board that YOUR pattern amounts to nothing more than projection. It usually occurs when you wish to avoid. It's then that you take the conversation completely off track by involving other posters. Please don't take my word for it, though. I feel certain they'll back up what I say, but PLEASE lets not descend to the level of a few days ago. And you call me predictable? Tsk Tsk.

 Anyway, back to the topic in hand, eh? You have, indeed -and incidentally, I've never denied it- said that the police gave the diaries to the family. You've never given an opinion, though, on how you think the police came to have them in their possession. I'm truly interested to hear your opinion on this.

I'll tell you up front, before I go further. I don't believe there are ANY new and continued prolific notes currently in the teams' hands, OTHER than those we've already pored over here. NOR do I believe, as you imply, that Sheila dropped her diary writings in favour of them.






Other than JB handing in the diaries to the police, being that he could get into Sheila's apartment, I can think of no other way that the police would/could have obtained them.


What else could Sheila have done at WHF but continue to write her feelings ? If she couldn't speak frankly to her mother and her father and brother were in the fields what else was there for her ? The boys could well have been with grannie or watching tv.

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« Reply #80 on: July 29, 2018, 06:36:PM »
Once again I find myself repeating what I've previously said about the police handing over the diaries to the relatives ! I'm by no means rude, just answering your tedious drawn-out posts to which  when you don't get the answer you want-----throw your dummy out and start blaming me for being rude ?? You do the exact same performance every time that 've come to expect the pattern of your posts complete with reinforcements every now and again putting in his sixpenn'orth. Laughable really as it's sooooo predictable.

Instead of writing in her diaries while at WHF Sheila went on to greater things with her continued and prolific writings--------the pages of notes in the team's possession at the moment. The ones that EP put to one side,for years because they weren't " legible ".  So Sheila hadn't missed out on her daily reports after all.

She did write in her diary while at WHF - it was perfectly legible too. 'THE TEAM'? Who would they be? The 'illegible' note IS (as I have told you on numerous occasions), the one made up of letters and numbers. The legal TEAM will know this the Campaign TEAM may not!
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« Reply #81 on: July 29, 2018, 06:44:PM »





Other than JB handing in the diaries to the police, being that he could get into Sheila's apartment, I can think of no other way that the police would/could have obtained them.


What else could Sheila have done at WHF but continue to write her feelings ? If she couldn't speak frankly to her mother and her father and brother were in the fields what else was there for her ? The boys could well have been with grannie or watching tv.

I think that's a fair assumption. I guess we can also gather that A) he read them -which of us wouldn't? B) there couldn't have been anything  which incriminated him but there MAY have been much which incriminated her. So Jeremy knew what was in the diaries. WHY, if that's the case, do you think he's never mentioned the contents?

Sheila had two lively and inquisitive boys to care for, and children's television not being, in 1985- what it is now, I think they may have spent more time outside than inside. I imagine there was plenty there for her to do had she chosen. If we're to believe all we're told, she spent more time out and away from the farm than she spent there. However, I'm more inclined to go with those who experienced her and say she was listless and lethargic, in which case she may have been too numbed -by medication?- to do very much of anything.

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Re: Viva Les Differences
« Reply #82 on: July 29, 2018, 07:20:PM »





Other than JB handing in the diaries to the police, being that he could get into Sheila's apartment, I can think of no other way that the police would/could have obtained them.


What else could Sheila have done at WHF but continue to write her feelings ? If she couldn't speak frankly to her mother and her father and brother were in the fields what else was there for her ? The boys could well have been with grannie or watching tv.

The police got them from the family solicitor. Whatever so wrote in them, it wasn't about  killing her kids, herself or the family. JUST that she wished she hadn't been nasty to Jeremy and Jeremy wouldn't answer what they discussed that afternoon!
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Re: Viva Les Differences
« Reply #83 on: July 29, 2018, 08:35:PM »
The police got them from the family solicitor. Whatever so wrote in them, it wasn't about  killing her kids, herself or the family. JUST that she wished she hadn't been nasty to Jeremy and Jeremy wouldn't answer what they discussed that afternoon!
You might have thought he'd make some innocuous story up under police interrogation. The ten-minute meeting in the fields does remain something of a mystery. Why admit to it at all? And how did the diary get into police hands if that last entry was made on Tuesday 6 August? http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,3760.0.html
« Last Edit: July 29, 2018, 08:35:PM by Steve_uk »

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« Reply #84 on: July 29, 2018, 09:00:PM »
The police got them from the family solicitor. Whatever so wrote in them, it wasn't about  killing her kids, herself or the family. JUST that she wished she hadn't been nasty to Jeremy and Jeremy wouldn't answer what they discussed that afternoon!






Sounds to me like a lament prior to ending her life.

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« Reply #85 on: July 29, 2018, 09:35:PM »
Who knows but Jeremy's legal team WILL have copies. Which goes to show that there is nothing in these diaries that support Sheila being the killer. People keep diaries to record their life and killing yourself and your kids is a pretty big event and yet it didn't make an entry. The last one was that she shouldn't have been nasty to Jeremy. Seems he had his revenge!


Where are you getting this from?

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« Reply #86 on: July 29, 2018, 10:07:PM »
She did write in her diary while at WHF - it was perfectly legible too. 'THE TEAM'? Who would they be? The 'illegible' note IS (as I have told you on numerous occasions), the one made up of letters and numbers. The legal TEAM will know this the Campaign TEAM may not!

do you have anything to back that up

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« Reply #87 on: July 29, 2018, 10:14:PM »
Just add it to the list of fake news nugs.

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« Reply #88 on: July 29, 2018, 10:18:PM »
Just add it to the list of fake news nugs.

I wont automatically judge it as that.

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« Reply #89 on: July 29, 2018, 10:21:PM »
I wont automatically judge it as that.






This particular list looked as though it had been written by one of the twins,that's why and not to the " illegible " letters which I was referring to of which there are about 6 pages of notes.