Viva Les Differences

[lookout]

What about Sheila's diaries? What do you imagine they will tell us?

They'd have been interesting I imagine.

[Caroline]

They'd have been interesting I imagine.

Would it surprise you to know that they weren't held under PII - Basil Cock had them. In 2001 they were give to the Met and copies were also given to Ewan Smith. Clearly nothing of importance was found, not even in the one written in 1985.

[lookout]

Would it surprise you to know that they weren't held under PII - Basil Cock had them. In 2001 they were give to the Met and copies were also given to Ewan Smith. Clearly nothing of importance was found, not even in the one written in 1985.

Now how do you know that ?

[Caroline]

Now how do you know that ?

Why? Is it an eye opener given that there has been many a hoohah about what might be in those 'undisclosed diaries'? 

[Caroline]

Why? Is it an eye opener given that there has been many a hoohah about what might be in those 'undisclosed diaries'? 

And all along, they were freely available to the defence 

[lookout]

Why? Is it an eye opener given that there has been many a hoohah about what might be in those 'undisclosed diaries'? 

So you didn't know then.

[David1819]

Would it surprise you to know that they weren't held under PII - Basil Cock had them. In 2001 they were give to the Met and copies were also given to Ewan Smith. Clearly nothing of importance was found, not even in the one written in 1985.

What ever was given to Ewen Smith in 2001 cannot be the same diary that was destroyed in 1995.

In Barlows handrwitten notes its mentions getting a statement from Colin to prove the handwriting in the diaries. Clearly there was something of importance to prompt the police to verify the handwritting then subsequently destroy the contents at a laterdate.

[Steve_uk]

What ever was given to Ewen Smith in 2001 cannot be the same diary that was destroyed in 1995.

In Barlows handrwitten notes its mentions getting a statement from Colin to prove the handwriting in the diaries. Clearly there was something of importance to prompt the police to verify the handwritting then subsequently destroy the contents at a laterdate.

Where did you get this from?

[Caroline]

What ever was given to Ewen Smith in 2001 cannot be the same diary that was destroyed in 1995.

In Barlows handrwitten notes its mentions getting a statement from Colin to prove the handwriting in the diaries. Clearly there was something of importance to prompt the police to verify the handwritting then subsequently destroy the contents at a laterdate.

"In April 2001, the Metropolitan Police took possession of eleven of Sheila’s diaries from the family’s solicitor Basil Cock. They dated from 1969 until 1985, although 1980–83 were missing. Jeremy’s then solicitor Ewan Smith viewed the diaries and was provided with copies which he collected from the CPS. 7 James Carr, letter, 15 August"

Lee, Carol Ann. The Murders at White House Farm: Jeremy Bamber and the killing of his family. The definitive investigation. (p. 419). Pan Macmillan. Kindle Edition.

[Caroline]

What ever was given to Ewen Smith in 2001 cannot be the same diary that was destroyed in 1995.

In Barlows handrwitten notes its mentions getting a statement from Colin to prove the handwriting in the diaries. Clearly there was something of importance to prompt the police to verify the handwritting then subsequently destroy the contents at a laterdate.

It only states an INTENTION.

[lookout]

Diaries containing such content were also held from the trial of Eddie Gilfoyle, for 16 years during his sentence-----it took another two years before Merseyside police decided his release.
At least the police in Eddie's case kept hold of the diaries while no doubt knowing of their content, whereas EP couldn't get rid of them quick enough------particularly as Sheila's latter part of life had become a lot worse than at previous times.
This could well have become Jeremy's saving grace as proof that not all was well with Sheila.
Their destruction was criminal !! A very important aspect of the case as Sheila had felt more comfortable writing down her thoughts etc. than speaking them as lots of people, particularly victims of suicide are with their families left in disbelief that they'd been feeling as they had done when they'd thought that everything was fine.
How many families have been left in utter shock after realising the TRUE feelings of a suicide victim ??

[Jane]

Diaries containing such content were also held from the trial of Eddie Gilfoyle, for 16 years during his sentence-----it took another two years before Merseyside police decided his release.
At least the police in Eddie's case kept hold of the diaries while no doubt knowing of their content, whereas EP couldn't get rid of them quick enough------particularly as Sheila's latter part of life had become a lot worse than at previous times.
This could well have become Jeremy's saving grace as proof that not all was well with Sheila.
Their destruction was criminal !! A very important aspect of the case as Sheila had felt more comfortable writing down her thoughts etc. than speaking them as lots of people, particularly victims of suicide are with their families left in disbelief that they'd been feeling as they had done when they'd thought that everything was fine.
How many families have been left in utter shock after realising the TRUE feelings of a suicide victim ??

Lookout, I can't believe you're suggesting, had there been the remotest hint, in her diaries, Sheila might be contemplating suicide,  that EP would have gone down the road of "not getting rid of them quick enough".

I don't know how much of Sheila's writing you've read to form the opinion that she was more comfortable consigning her thoughts to paper, but I can quite see that it might be something you'd grasp as a possible Jeremy saver, and to that end I'm sure you'll always be convinced that they'd have revealed previously hidden secrets.

[lookout]

Lookout, I can't believe you're suggesting, had there been the remotest hint, in her diaries, Sheila might be contemplating suicide,  that EP would have gone down the road of "not getting rid of them quick enough".

I don't know how much of Sheila's writing you've read to form the opinion that she was more comfortable consigning her thoughts to paper, but I can quite see that it might be something you'd grasp as a possible Jeremy saver, and to that end I'm sure you'll always be convinced that they'd have revealed previously hidden secrets.

Colin in his book stated that Sheila expressed her thoughts by writing and drawing as she hadn't been blessed like most who would have expressed verbally with a good rant now and again to get it off their chests.
The diaries in this case would have been vital but obviously EP didn't want/wish to promote them in any way and neither did the relatives who I believe had taken charge of them,being " private and personal "!! 

[lookout]

It wasn't until the Gilfoyle diaries had been made public that I'd realised I'd known a person who his late wife spoke about or I'd have gone to the police a lot sooner than the 16 years it took for them to be " discovered ". I still feel very strongly about this as to whether I could help him in any way to clear his name. 

[Jane]

Colin in his book stated that Sheila expressed her thoughts by writing and drawing as she hadn't been blessed like most who would have expressed verbally with a good rant now and again to get it off their chests.
The diaries in this case would have been vital but obviously EP didn't want/wish to promote them in any way and neither did the relatives who I believe had taken charge of them,being " private and personal "!!

But surely, Lookout, they were Colin's memories of when they were together. They hadn't been together for years. From what you've told us, countless times, Sheila had been BRILLIANT at expressing herself verbally -I guess she felt she had to resort to throwing things because she didn't feel heard- it seems to me that it may have been Colin who shied away from confrontation.

I have no idea where the diaries were located -I don't imagine she took them everywhere but I'll allow for the possibility of a lockable 5 year diary- but if the police found them/it at WHF, HAD they contained suicidal thoughts, they'd have been a perfect counter-balance to the family's claims. If Jeremy had found them, for certain sure, he'd have handed them to the police. If they said what you're hoping, he very probably wouldn't be in prison now. However, if the relatives -according to you, nasty conniving people determined to do Jeremy out of his birthright- had found it/them, do you REALLY believe they'd have handed the police ANYTHING which suggested that Sheila MAY have committed such a crime, ESPECIALLY after allegedly going to all that trouble to frame Jeremy?