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Re: The Finding of the Silencer by David Boutflour on September 11th 1985
« Reply #165 on: August 04, 2018, 12:26:PM »
That absolutely isn't the case, Lookout. Individually, they were probably as divided as are we. As a unit, they went with whatever were the orders. From the off, as a unit, they believed what Jeremy had said because none had reason not to. Then the family said Sheila couldn't have done it -since when, I believe the only person who has labeled her violent is you. NO one, but no one, has come forward to say she did anything to suggest she may have been- and then there was Jeremy's very out of context with grieving son behaviour and attitude, ONLY displaying grief when he remembered that circumstances dictated such might be appropriate. It HAD to have made them wonder.






Until RWB stepped in there was no division between EP as to who'd been responsible for the murders which had been Sheila.
Jeremy had told the truth from day one. Why wouldn't he have done in such a tragedy involving a whole family ? It was then entered onto the Holmes computer system of which half of what Jeremy had said hadn't been relayed to the jury, manly that which had mattered greatly in being convicted or walking away a free man. This is information which is still under wraps. Totally unfair as any human would admit whether he was guilty or not.
BW knew the fostering scenario was true but had remained silent as did EP who also stayed silent. All had relied on the relatives saying that such a thing was nonsense. Even though June had been frantically searching for someone to look after the twins just before the murders as her friends gave statements to that effect.
In effect EP hid all information apart from what the relatives had to say so making Jeremy unbelievable on every count.

Yes, Sheila did have violent tendencies whether you or anyone else doesn't believe it. TWO women have committed murders this last week due to Premenstrual Dysphoria ! It's EASILY mistaken for schizophrenia as the symptoms are the same but WORSE for PD in that these poor women go through Hell for two weeks before menstruating and also during. Very little is known about this " disabling illness " so medication is sketchy except that in known cases IUD's are fitted in the hope that the hormone contained will ease symptoms.
Only Colin would have known about the severe mood swings that Sheila had but because he hadn't opened up about their life together it's difficult to know how he must have suffered. Though after their short marriage I can guess !
 

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Re: The Finding of the Silencer by David Boutflour on September 11th 1985
« Reply #166 on: August 04, 2018, 12:46:PM »





Until RWB stepped in there was no division between EP as to who'd been responsible for the murders which had been Sheila.
Jeremy had told the truth from day one. Why wouldn't he have done in such a tragedy involving a whole family ? It was then entered onto the Holmes computer system of which half of what Jeremy had said hadn't been relayed to the jury, manly that which had mattered greatly in being convicted or walking away a free man. This is information which is still under wraps. Totally unfair as any human would admit whether he was guilty or not.
BW knew the fostering scenario was true but had remained silent as did EP who also stayed silent. All had relied on the relatives saying that such a thing was nonsense. Even though June had been frantically searching for someone to look after the twins just before the murders as her friends gave statements to that effect.
In effect EP hid all information apart from what the relatives had to say so making Jeremy unbelievable on every count.

Yes, Sheila did have violent tendencies whether you or anyone else doesn't believe it. TWO women have committed murders this last week due to Premenstrual Dysphoria ! It's EASILY mistaken for schizophrenia as the symptoms are the same but WORSE for PD in that these poor women go through Hell for two weeks before menstruating and also during. Very little is known about this " disabling illness " so medication is sketchy except that in known cases IUD's are fitted in the hope that the hormone contained will ease symptoms.
Only Colin would have known about the severe mood swings that Sheila had but because he hadn't opened up about their life together it's difficult to know how he must have suffered. Though after their short marriage I can guess !

Rubbish, SJ thought it was Jeremy from day one. TJ allowed the scene to be destroyed because he believed Jeremy. You all complain about how the scene was trashed but you never even consider that it was TJ who allowed it to happen.
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Re: The Finding of the Silencer by David Boutflour on September 11th 1985
« Reply #167 on: August 04, 2018, 12:58:PM »
Not according to the Home Office database if you wish to enquire about it. The Holmes system has a lot to answer for-------no wonder nobody will part with the documents.

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« Reply #168 on: August 04, 2018, 01:00:PM »
Not according to the Home Office database if you wish to enquire about it. The Holmes system has a lot to answer for-------no wonder nobody will part with the documents.

Eh?
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Re: The Finding of the Silencer by David Boutflour on September 11th 1985
« Reply #170 on: August 04, 2018, 01:10:PM »
Rubbish, SJ thought it was Jeremy from day one.

Was it SJ or was it RM who, in the early stages, asked Ann Eaton 'what if an innocent man goes to prison?' (or words to that effect).  I cannot remember.  But it implies doubt within the team, regarding any substance to relatives' suspicion. 

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Re: The Finding of the Silencer by David Boutflour on September 11th 1985
« Reply #171 on: August 04, 2018, 01:19:PM »





Until RWB stepped in there was no division between EP as to who'd been responsible for the murders which had been Sheila.
Jeremy had told the truth from day one. Why wouldn't he have done in such a tragedy involving a whole family ? It was then entered onto the Holmes computer system of which half of what Jeremy had said hadn't been relayed to the jury, manly that which had mattered greatly in being convicted or walking away a free man. This is information which is still under wraps. Totally unfair as any human would admit whether he was guilty or not.
BW knew the fostering scenario was true but had remained silent as did EP who also stayed silent. All had relied on the relatives saying that such a thing was nonsense. Even though June had been frantically searching for someone to look after the twins just before the murders as her friends gave statements to that effect.
In effect EP hid all information apart from what the relatives had to say so making Jeremy unbelievable on every count.

Yes, Sheila did have violent tendencies whether you or anyone else doesn't believe it. TWO women have committed murders this last week due to Premenstrual Dysphoria ! It's EASILY mistaken for schizophrenia as the symptoms are the same but WORSE for PD in that these poor women go through Hell for two weeks before menstruating and also during. Very little is known about this " disabling illness " so medication is sketchy except that in known cases IUD's are fitted in the hope that the hormone contained will ease symptoms.
Only Colin would have known about the severe mood swings that Sheila had but because he hadn't opened up about their life together it's difficult to know how he must have suffered. Though after their short marriage I can guess !

Lookout, I refuse to accept your first statement as truth because it simply isn't. There WERE those who had doubts, if not from the outset, but as near as damn it. My friend's husband interviewed him at the cottage that first morning and believed him guilty from then on -how is that so very different from your snap decision formed by seeing as picture of him?- He wasn't the only one.

I no longer believe Jeremy told the truth because I believe the tragedy was of his own making. From how I read the rest of what you say, I think you must be delighted to have found a group who support your beliefs. Because of this I think you'll accept everything they say because you want it to be true.

I don't believe BW 'knew' anything about "a fostering scenario" which was to have been for any longer than their visit -and incidentally, we have previous evidence of how flaky has BW been. What do you imagine the Bambers were going to do? Kidnap the boys and force them to live in Essex? "June had been searching frantically........"? WHY? Maybe she didn't feel competent to look after them for what would amount to 3 days? It was harvest. She had church meetings and duties. It's possible her friends attested to this. There was absolutely NO reason to think she may have been "frantically searching" for permanent help. This, though, would all have been before they arrived. I believe it suits the CT's agenda to put forward that important information has been withheld.

Once again you appear to be dragging up every possibility others' medical history provides as evidence that Sheila suffered whatever obscure condition did they.  Unless there's anything new on the horizon, we may have gone through the whole gamut of mental, psychological and gynaecological ailment known to man -or should that be WOMAN?- as yet nothing has attached.

Plenty of women experience some sort of premenstrual discomfort/mood swings. You're only hazarding a guess that Sheila's experience was so much worse than any other woman's. I'm interested that, today, you speak of Colin's "suffering"-as yet not entirely confirmed by him- yet only two/three days ago you were saying he should have stayed with the marriage and 'made' it work.

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« Reply #172 on: August 04, 2018, 01:27:PM »
Was it SJ or was it RM who, in the early stages, asked Ann Eaton 'what if an innocent man goes to prison?' (or words to that effect).  I cannot remember.  But it implies doubt within the team, regarding any substance to relatives' suspicion.

Why does it suggest that? It simply suggests that they didn't want interference.
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Re: The Finding of the Silencer by David Boutflour on September 11th 1985
« Reply #173 on: August 04, 2018, 01:37:PM »
Was it SJ or was it RM who, in the early stages, asked Ann Eaton 'what if an innocent man goes to prison?' (or words to that effect).  I cannot remember.  But it implies doubt within the team, regarding any substance to relatives' suspicion.


How on earth do you know what may have been responsible for "doubt within the team" OR for how long it had been there. Do you believe ALL members of said team  A) only had one brain between them B) thought as they we instructed?

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Re: The Finding of the Silencer by David Boutflour on September 11th 1985
« Reply #174 on: August 04, 2018, 01:54:PM »
EP have testimonies from June's friends who say that she was asking if anyone knew who would look after the twins. Holmes 73/38. You appear to give your own reasons to make me look bad ( all the time )
EP had initially ignored Jeremy about the fostering until those who knew came forward !


It was after a month that RWB started complaining that nothing had been suggested that it " was JB " to which Simpson appointed Kenneally to review the investigation which along with Kenneally,Ainsley, then presented their report to Bunyard and Ainsley,who was head of CID at the time.

The final conclusion which was minuted was: "That all the evidence indicated that Sheila WAS responsible ".


So----if your friend's husband "thought him guilty from the outset", how/why is it that you came to the forum as a staunch supporter ?? And why is it you haven't gleaned any information as proof of his guilt ?
Who better to know than a cop who was there at the scene ??

BW DID know about the fostering but like the " all people are bad and should be killed " knowledge, it was edited out of her statement Holmes 73/38.


Why don't you learn that whatever I post is relevant to the thread in progress and NOT about remarks I've made pertaining to other threads. YOU always bang on about David when he brings up old posts--------but YOU'RE doing exactly the same. Will you ever learn ? No, because you can't help reminding me that which I know I've already said just to big yourself. 

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Re: The Finding of the Silencer by David Boutflour on September 11th 1985
« Reply #175 on: August 04, 2018, 01:59:PM »
EP have testimonies from June's friends who say that she was asking if anyone knew who would look after the twins. Holmes 73/38. You appear to give your own reasons to make me look bad ( all the time )
EP had initially ignored Jeremy about the fostering until those who knew came forward !


It was after a month that RWB started complaining that nothing had been suggested that it " was JB " to which Simpson appointed Kenneally to review the investigation which along with Kenneally,Ainsley, then presented their report to Bunyard and Ainsley,who was head of CID at the time.

The final conclusion which was minuted was: "That all the evidence indicated that Sheila WAS responsible ".


So----if your friend's husband "thought him guilty from the outset", how/why is it that you came to the forum as a staunch supporter ?? And why is it you haven't gleaned any information as proof of his guilt ?
Who better to know than a cop who was there at the scene ??

BW DID know about the fostering but like the " all people are bad and should be killed " knowledge, it was edited out of her statement Holmes 73/38.


Why don't you learn that whatever I post is relevant to the thread in progress and NOT about remarks I've made pertaining to other threads. YOU always bang on about David when he brings up old posts--------but YOU'RE doing exactly the same. Will you ever learn ? No, because you can't help reminding me that which I know I've already said just to big yourself.

Who provided that information Lookout? Was it Jeremy?  ;D ;D
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Re: The Finding of the Silencer by David Boutflour on September 11th 1985
« Reply #176 on: August 04, 2018, 02:01:PM »
Who provided that information Lookout? Was it Jeremy?  ;D ;D






No-----it wasn't I'm sorry to say.

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« Reply #177 on: August 04, 2018, 02:04:PM »
EP have testimonies from June's friends who say that she was asking if anyone knew who would look after the twins. Holmes 73/38.

Of course they do, and you're the only one who knows this.

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« Reply #178 on: August 04, 2018, 02:12:PM »
Oh joy-------it's the reinforcement.  :)) :)) :)) :)) :)) :))

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Re: The Finding of the Silencer by David Boutflour on September 11th 1985
« Reply #179 on: August 04, 2018, 02:22:PM »
EP have testimonies from June's friends who say that she was asking if anyone knew who would look after the twins. Holmes 73/38. You appear to give your own reasons to make me look bad ( all the time )
EP had initially ignored Jeremy about the fostering until those who knew came forward !


It was after a month that RWB started complaining that nothing had been suggested that it " was JB " to which Simpson appointed Kenneally to review the investigation which along with Kenneally,Ainsley, then presented their report to Bunyard and Ainsley,who was head of CID at the time.

The final conclusion which was minuted was: "That all the evidence indicated that Sheila WAS responsible ".


So----if your friend's husband "thought him guilty from the outset", how/why is it that you came to the forum as a staunch supporter ?? And why is it you haven't gleaned any information as proof of his guilt ?
Who better to know than a cop who was there at the scene ??

BW DID know about the fostering but like the " all people are bad and should be killed " knowledge, it was edited out of her statement Holmes 73/38.


Why don't you learn that whatever I post is relevant to the thread in progress and NOT about remarks I've made pertaining to other threads. YOU always bang on about David when he brings up old posts--------but YOU'RE doing exactly the same. Will you ever learn ? No, because you can't help reminding me that which I know I've already said just to big yourself.


How, exactly do you know that EP are withholding information given them by June's friends? There is a vast difference between looking for someone to do a bit of daycare for children during holidays and putting them into permanent foster care. The twins were NEVER the Bamber's responsibility.

I'm perfectly certain that whilst they believed that Sheila was responsible their conclusion would have been that Sheila was responsible. What else would it have been?

I think I've already explained my reasons for initially believing -wanting- Jeremy to be innocent. WHY would I have needed to agree with someone else's belief? Is that not something YOU say, repeatedly, of yourself? WHY, because I knew a policeman who was there at the time, have I not got evidence of his guilt!!!?  Isn't that rather like you MUST have proof of his innocence because you believe he's innocent!!! Really, Lookout. You really are a VERY stupid woman, sometimes.

So if I'm willing to accept that BW knew about fostering. Exactly WHAT sort of fostering was she talking about? She hasn't exactly earned herself a reputation as a reliable witness, has she? Might THAT be the reason her testimony has been kept under wraps, IF that's the case.

By the way. I'm not capable of making you look bad. You're more than capable of doing it, very proficiently, yourself.